Support your Local Jew!

[zone]

This partial blindness has allowed the gospel to be preached...

really....NOT 'partially blind' jews - jews who have eyes to see could stop the Gospel?

is that how it works in your world?

is that why God blinded them for 2000 years without hope....but some have hope....today you say jew and gentile....are these your token jews, because you have no explanation for the fact that Jews GET SAVED EVERYDAY and have been getting saved for millennia?

all this childish dogma over a few twisted passages drilled into CUFI minds over and over and over and over....but that's how cults operate.
brainwashing.

 

[BradC]

linda



Thats a false christ.



An unbeliever is in darkness whether Christ died for them or not. To support unbelievers is in direct oppostiion to the Word of God. 2 Cor 6:14

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

They should be reproved for their wickedness if anything. Eph 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

It does not matter if they are a ethnic jew or gentile. You just rebel against God's word !

Some of you want your entire vocation to be about exposing others and their unfruitful works of darkness. You better make full proof of your own ministry and make sure it does not violate categorical doctrine and the royal law of love in the process. This reproving of unfruitful works of darkness involves works that have a direct effect upon you and the assembly you fellowship. If their is an unfruitful work that is effecting other churches such as was the case when certain Jews were teaching that Gentiles needed to be circumcised for salvation, then this needed to be addressed and reproved according to doctrine and face to face where it was warranted. Our first priority is to build up believers in the truth according to grace through the Spirit and through much patience we allow the Spirit to bring in conviction through the light of God's word to establish the heart with sound doctrine. The light that we walk in as children of light keeps us focused on Christ and the will of God so that others can see our good works and glorify our Father in heaven. When we walk in the light the burden of that light is simple and easy and will reprove and deal with forms of darkness with very little effort.

 

[BradC]

what nonsense.
i guess you don't care about the warning of Rev 22.

i'm amazed that ppl get away with tweaking their heresies from one post to the next.

the jew has a "partial blinding' the gentile doesn't have?
ugh.

tell me....where do you go when you get raptured?
since the New Jerusalem is literally built by jews apparently, and they were never offered it.....eh.
i forgot how you put it....i'll have to quote you exactly....now where is that again.....

Your all messed up. It's not difficult to know or discern objectively if you are walking in the light and have not grieved the Spirit. You just have to LOOK and be objective and stop replacing objectivity with prejudicial theology. There are those who have been blinded by the god of this world system, who is not presently bound from deceiving the nations as some advocate through false doctrine, but roams freely about seeking those who he can devour with seducing spirits and doctrine of devils. He has been able to deceive and seduce some with these doctrines causing them to depart from the truth of Christ and the church and to distort the plan of God for His elect. This is how your premise got all strange and you became very subjective to the truth and those who contradict your doctrine you oppose with a wounded spirit most vehemently.

 

[zone]

Some of you want your entire vocation to be about exposing others and their unfruitful works of darkness. You better make full proof of your own ministry and make sure it does not violate categorical doctrine

THE IMPORTANCE OF DOCTRINE

1. Definition: As used in this categorical study, doctrine is the content of Scripture exegeted and taught categorically by a pastor-teacher in a local church.

1.1 Col. R. B. Thieme has developed an acrostic to communicate the way doctrine should be taught in the local church: ICE, for Isagogics, Categories and Exegesis. I have amplified it somewhat.

ICED

I The I stands for Introduction, meaning those facts which introduce historical nuances and background information about the book, the author and the historical setting.

C The C stands for Categories meaning, that study of a subject found throughout the Bible as opposed to an eclectic approach.

E The E stands for Exegesis meaning, a critical analysis of the Bible performed from a study of the original language using the best manuscripts available.

D The D stands for Dispensation meaning, that analysis of the Biblical passage or passages given the epoch of time to which the Scripture relates.

categorical doctrine
http://www.westbankbiblechurch.com/12OctNov09AudioFiles/Importance of Doctrine091101.pdf

...

 

[BradC]

"Moishe Rosen, the founder of Jews for Jesus, is dead at the age of 78. On May 19th he succumbed to prostate disease that had metastasized into bone cancer. Charisma Magazine called him "the godfather of Jewish evangelism".

Rosen was an ordained Baptist minister who founded Jews for Jesus in 1973. Jews for Jesus is notorious for their aggressive proselytizing campaigns targeting Jews for conversion.

In a farewell letter posted after his death on the JFJ Web site, Rosen expressed dismay at born-again Christians who support “the efforts of rabbis who, frankly, not only don't know Christ, but don't want to know Him” and he urged those people to think very seriously before they “support any ‘ministry’ that involves Jewish people and doesn't actually bring the gospel to the Jews.” He goes on to cite Romans and states that “… Jewishness never saved anybody. Judaism never saved anybody, no matter how sincere."

When it comes to Jews for Jesus, the varying and divergent religious and political sectors of the Jewish community enjoy rare consensus - they unanimously reject and despise the efforts of the organization.

An ADL report censures Jews for Jesus, “the leading organization dedicated to converting Jews to Christianity …because of its aggressive proselytizing with a deceptive message: that Jews who accept Jesus as the son of God and their savior remain Jewish.”"

Jews for Jesus founder, Moishe Rosen, Dead
Posted by Jewish Israel on May 23, 2010
Jews for Jesus founder, Moishe Rosen, Dead - Jewish Israel

Another hit against Pastor John Hagee and those who are likeminded. Did the apostle Paul, who was commissioned a dispensation of grace for the Gentiles, ever consider himself to be anything but an Israelite and Hebrew? He made no bones about it, nor did he hide himself behind it nor did he try to spiritualize who he was in Christ as an apostle. Do you think that there was a Gentile living that he preached the gospel to that did not know that Paul was one of Israel, more specifically Judah? He even became a Jew to the Jew that he might win the Jew to Christ. He wanted his brethren so much to be saved that it got him in much hot water in Jerusalem. Have you ever tried being a Jew to the Jew, being constrained by the mercy of God toward the Jew in unbelief? It's probably a difficult task being a Gentile. It must be great sin to God for a Jew that accepts Christ to remain a Jew who now believes. But what else would he be except a believing Jew as you and I are believing Gentiles, both being in Christ and under grace.

 

[Elin]

are you a previously banned member - username Red33 - whose real name is actually Brad?

As long as the 'Red Sox' keep winning in the playoff you can call me 'Red' whenever you want.

You have your answer. . .

 

[Linda70]

Another hit against Pastor John Hagee and those who are likeminded. Did the apostle Paul, who was commissioned a dispensation of grace for the Gentiles, ever consider himself to be anything but an Israelite and Hebrew? He made no bones about it, nor did he hide himself behind it nor did he try to spiritualize who he was in Christ as an apostle. Do you think that there was a Gentile living that he preached the gospel to that did not know that Paul was one of Israel, more specifically Judah? He even became a Jew to the Jew that he might win the Jew to Christ. He wanted his brethren so much to be saved that it got him in much hot water in Jerusalem. Have you ever tried being a Jew to the Jew, being constrained by the mercy of God toward the Jew in unbelief? It's probably a difficult task being a Gentile. It must be great sin to God for a Jew that accepts Christ to remain a Jew who now believes. But what else would he be except a believing Jew as you and I are believing Gentiles, both being in Christ and under grace.

The only problem I have with John Hagee is his teaching of Dual Covenant Theology. His support of Israel is wonderful, but it should include more than just "humanitarian" support. There is no program for Jewish evangelism/missions in John Hagee's ministry to Israel, due to the Dual Covenant Theology he teaches. Here's a link about John Hagee's teaching:

NTEB: John Hagee and Dual Covenant Theology

However, John Hagee's teaching on dispensationalism is right on!

I am an ethnic Jew, born again and washed in the blood of the Lamb in March, 1974. It was important to my born again Gentile neighbor lady to share Christ with me. I remain an ethnic Jew, but my ethnicity didn't save me...the blood of Jesus did. When I trusted Christ in March, 1974, I became a member of the body of Christ/the Church.

I knew Moishe Rosen personally when I lived in Denver, Colorado. J4J was very evangelistic back in the 70s and 80s, then they got into "ecumenicism" in the mid 90s and their "evangelism" has been steadily been going downhill. Right before Moishe Rosen went to be with the Lord, he was concerned about the direction of J4J. Their "move" toward the Hebrew Roots movement is disturbing. There are 3 ministries whose focus is on Jewish evangelism: Chosen People Ministries (aka The American Board of Missions to the Jews), The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, and Jewish Awareness Ministries.

I posed a question on this thread about a week ago: Does your church support Jewish missions/evangelism? Several of the responses were quite arrogant and rude.

 

[zone]

Your all messed up. It's not difficult to know or discern objectively if you are walking in the light and have not grieved the Spirit. You just have to LOOK and be objective and stop replacing objectivity with prejudicial theology. There are those who have been blinded by the god of this world system, who is not presently bound from deceiving the nations as some advocate through false doctrine, but roams freely about seeking those who he can devour with seducing spirits and doctrine of devils. He has been able to deceive and seduce some with these doctrines causing them to depart from the truth of Christ and the church and to distort the plan of God for His elect. This is how your premise got all strange and you became very subjective to the truth and those who contradict your doctrine you oppose with a wounded spirit most vehemently.

Israel was never promised grace; a Messiah; a King; New Jerusalem
Jesus didn't come to save Israel
Israel is partially blind until you vanish in the rapture
Israel was never promised grace; a Messiah; a King; New Jerusalem
Jesus didn't come to save Israel
Israel is partially blind until you vanish in the rapture
Israel was never promised grace; a Messiah; a King; New Jerusalem
Jesus didn't come to save Israel
Israel is partially blind until you vanish in the rapture
Israel was never promised grace; a Messiah; a King; New Jerusalem
Jesus didn't come to save Israel
Israel is partially blind until you vanish in the rapture

 

[zone]

Another hit against Pastor John Hagee and those who are likeminded. Did the apostle Paul, who was commissioned a dispensation of grace for the Gentiles, ever consider himself to be anything but an Israelite and Hebrew? He made no bones about it, nor did he hide himself behind it nor did he try to spiritualize who he was in Christ as an apostle.

uh....then who wrote this?

Galatians 3
27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise

here: take a close look at this part:

if
you belong to Christ
then
you are Abraham's descendants,
heirs according to promise

QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ Abraham's descendant?

QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ an heir according to the promise?

QUESTION:
do you know what the promise is?

 

[zone]

You have your answer. . .

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[zone]

I posed a question on this thread about a week ago: Does your church support Jewish missions/evangelism? Several of the responses were quite arrogant and rude.

why support jewish missions?
your theology says the jews have to be here when you fly away.
mind you, your flavor may vary...i'd like to hear it
who gets left behind for Jacob's Trouble? isn't it....JACOB?



If today, the Master came
To catch His Bride away
Would you be left behind in shame?
Or enter that Glorious Day?

 

[zone]

I remain an ethnic Jew, but my ethnicity didn't save me...the blood of Jesus did. When I trusted Christ in March, 1974, I became a member of the body of Christ/the Church.

okay.
so will you be left behind to be part of ALL ISRAEL when they ALL (but not really all, just ALL the ones alive when they have an epiphany while being chased around by The Antichrist while you're in the air (?) having a wedding) get saved?

 

[BradC]

uh....then who wrote this?

Galatians 3
27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise

here: take a close look at this part:

if
you belong to Christ
then
you are Abraham's descendants,
heirs according to promise

QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ Abraham's descendant?

QUESTION:
is anyone who does not belong to Christ an heir according to the promise?

QUESTION:
do you know what the promise is?

The promise was the giving of the Spirit which was the Spirit of promise (Gal 3:14, Eph 1:13). They are an heir according to the promise of the Spirit. Anyone who believes is sealed by that promise of the Spirit. John 16:7

This does not change who the apostle Paul was or any of the Jews who believed. By the same token that there is no male or female, there is also no Jew or Greek because we all are espoused unto one husband (the Lord) in one body as the bride of Christ. That does not stop Israel from being a nation of people that God will deal with during the time of the tribulation after this one body and bride is caught away in the clouds of the air to forever be with the Lord. Wake up and smell that sweet savour and those who have been redeemed as his bride and take notice of the greatest of God's mercy that is coming to deal with Israel, his elect and precious people who he has called by his name.

 

[zone]

The promise was the giving of the Spirit which was the Spirit of promise (Gal 3:14, Eph 1:13). They are an heir according to the promise of the Spirit. Anyone who believes is sealed by that promise of the Spirit. John 16:7

This does not change who the apostle Paul was or any of the Jews who believed. By the same token that there is no male or female, there is also no Jew or Greek because we all are espoused unto one husband (the Lord) in one body as the bride of Christ. That does not stop Israel from being a nation of people that God will deal with during the time of the tribulation after this one body and bride is caught away in the clouds of the air to forever be with the Lord.

blah blah.
k......

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[jahsoul]

Did the apostle Paul, who was commissioned a dispensation of grace for the Gentiles, ever consider himself to be anything but an Israelite and Hebrew? He made no bones about it, nor did he hide himself behind it nor did he try to spiritualize who he was in Christ as an apostle. Do you think that there was a Gentile living that he preached the gospel to that did not know that Paul was one of Israel, more specifically Judah?

There is no way possible for Israelite and Jew to be a synonymous term. They are not the same thing. When scripture speaks of the Children of Israel, it is speaking to all of the tribes, not just the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi (who initially formed the Kingdom of Judah) nor is it speaking to those who practice Judaism. So in Romans 11, Paul was going through his ethnicity. Also, in Romans 11, Paul stated that he was from the Tribe of Benjamin, not Judah.

 

[BradC]

blah blah.
k......

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diggs, it's starting!

Too simple for you and your brain to wrap around?

 

[Praus]

im not fluent in pig latin, but i thikn that means harmony, integrity, industry? if im wrong dont jump on me, i posted it because its Rothchild coat of arms. concord in there?

It's right there in the open! -> Concord (grape) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Prov 20:1 Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

There's a djinn in a bottle at the top of the label for the wine bottle, they can't be more obvious than that, right?

wow__________

Hizikyah it's not a matter of Latin, what it comes down to, which is obvious from your response, is that you don't understand basic Biblical Hebrew. If you understood Hebrew you know right away that "wine bottle" and "person with familiar spirit are the same word.

 

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[zone]

xuanvuive2013,
i find those photos heartbreaking.
very sad indeed.


John 5
43"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

 

[BradC]

xuanvuive2013,
i find those photos heartbreaking.
very sad indeed.


John 5
43"I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

Heartbreaking, but is your heart filled with mercy toward their unbelief? If it is, then you would not speak evil of them but rather intercede with groanings.