What Laws are still valid to christians

[Delija]

Generally,there r no many things that we would agree here.Not because i do not want that,but because am coming from something totally different.Many will mix me with R Catholic,but we do not have a lot of common,since last 1000 years of separation.

 

[psychomom]

There is no possible way for each individual to keep ALL THE LAW. Jesus is our best example, and He couldn't. So why do you accuse others of being wrong when it is impossible to keep all of the laws, many which are not applicable?

Excuse me??

I'm seriously hoping this was a typo...
Please explain?

If the Lord Jesus didn't keep the Law perfectly, we are completely without hope.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Excuse me??

I'm seriously hoping this was a typo...
Please explain?

If the Lord Jesus didn't keep the Law perfectly, we are completely without hope.

I don't think a typo so much as a weird (heretical?) doctrine. She thinks that 'cause Jesus wasn't married or a woman etc., and because some of the law applies specifically to such groups, Jesus didn't keep all of the law. It would be funny, if it weren't so serious.

 

[Welshman]

Heresy of the worst sort ? May The Lord open this woman's eyes and heart . Cnt say anything else or I would lose my patience with such stupid doctrine .

 

[letti]

Jesus was and still is the fulfilled covenant,he said he came to fulfill the law.He also said, Love covers a multitude of sins,hence in true love you do not sin.People have a really hard time understanding true love.Forgiveness is, love,being merciful and having obedience to God is that love he desires from us.People are confused all Sins are still Sins and remain very wrong.A relationship with God is called for, a close one.In this way we stay strong in faith, and able to stay on the right path.Disobedience is still just that something God never liked or will.

 

[psychomom]

I don't think a typo so much as a weird (heretical?) doctrine. She thinks that 'cause Jesus wasn't married or a woman etc., and because some of the law applies specifically to such groups, Jesus didn't keep all of the law. It would be funny, if it weren't so serious.

Well, yeah. Hebrews 4:15:
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Pretty sure that means He kept the Law. Perfectly.
Christ our righteousness. ♥

 

[Isdaniel]

[video=youtube;lbdtcm6jzHA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lbdtcm6jzHA[/video]What was changed and what remains

 

[royalscot]

That's fine. If we didn't have that yoke of Christ on, personally I can't see how we could ever get anywhere. And you are right. really. He said my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

Matthew 11:28-30 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

lol a yoke , we really stand in hell. . pull that heavy yoke, if you want. (my yoke is easy , my burdens light said by jesus). before going to the cross


and the part before the cross. v the after the cross and now in heaven . gift etc after all is the topic .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I don't think a typo so much as a weird (heretical?) doctrine. She thinks that 'cause Jesus wasn't married or a woman etc., and because some of the law applies specifically to such groups, Jesus didn't keep all of the law. It would be funny, if it weren't so serious.

IMO, it's most likely something she read on a law-cultist/hebrew-roots website. It may be that this is their latest angle in trying to subvert the truth. Not something I've seen before.

 

[Josh321]

Sorry for that,but what have u waithing for when in the moment of death u started to believe?
So,from your perspective u are saved now?

it's not my doing though, i don't even like saying it as much it seems wrong.. but God did in fact change my entire life, and what really made me want to change is i didn't know where i was going if i had died so i was determined to find an anwser from somewhere

 

[Josh321]

i think to get a better understanding of things we also gotta read between the lines, like what i mean is, was jesus under the new testament or the old when he came to earth? we can see that he was under the old because he didn't die as yet and the new testament came after his death, so what does that tell you? because as the scriptures said he came to fulfill the law in us and that only happen after he died, so that is the new testament there that the law is fulfilled in us through the holy spirit, i know this has been discussed alot of times but we really gotta come to grasp at what it means when he said he came to fulfill the law in us( not by us big difference ) since it would be fulfilled in us it enables us to live a righteous life that God wants us to live, so we will be fulfilling the law automatically.

 

[Hizikyah]

If one is a part of this covenant ratified by the blood of Yahshua they will love Yahweh's Law, as how could it be written in ones heart if they rejected it?

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."


8451. torah
torah: direction, instruction, law
Original Word: תּוֹרָה
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: torah
Phonetic Spelling: (to-raw')
Short Definition: law

 

[Delija]

it's not my doing though, i don't even like saying it as much it seems wrong.. but God did in fact change my entire life, and what really made me want to change is i didn't know where i was going if i had died so i was determined to find an anwser from somewhere

U see how fear call man to God?That is why in my Church we say that God do not send sickness or accident to kill a man,but to bring a man to Him.And that is just the begining,in front of u is a long journey.That u could understand me,i would like to give u life of one Saint who looking on you.

 

[homwardbound]

I honestly have no understanding of what you mean. Some of that stuff I did not even say that I know of.

No problem you asked to say to you if anyone saw that you might be walking according to flesh and
I posted it
We all see what see and tat is what it is, Love from God to us all regardless, Thanks

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Excuse me??

I'm seriously hoping this was a typo...
Please explain?

If the Lord Jesus didn't keep the Law perfectly, we are completely without hope.

You miss the point completely. I never said that Jesus didn't keep the Law perfectly. He kept the Law perfectly that was applicable to him as a man in the Jewish environment. I stated there are certain laws that are for women only, for farmers only, for judges or Sanhedrins only. Jesus was circumised at 8 days old. Even this was an act of faith and obedience on His parents part. Jesus never lied or cheated anyone or committed adultery or killed anyone. Jesus loved the sinners and kept company with them. The Pharisees and Saducees had their box to put God in and Jesus said "NO!" you have added to God's commandments making His Law full of man-made traditions that make the law burdensome and of no effect. Jesus kept all the laws that would pertain to Him. Just because some of the laws were specific to women, farmers, judges, etc. is not speaking heresy but just an obvious fact that is truth. My point was to say that we who believe that God's OT laws and commands are still in effect today and that no one, not even Jesus could keep all the laws, because some laws do not apply to certain people. I study the Bible, and as the Holy Spirit convicts me I obey the commandment. Some say well your clothing cannot have two materials mixed and you must wear only a single material to obey the commandments. I believe it is true and I would like to incorporate this into my life style, but haven't yet. So I am grace dependent always as I believe the Torah is still relevant for today.

Does anyone here have a conviction of something that they have not incorporated into their life as yet? Perhaps a prison ministry? God lays something on your heart and you pray and ask for His guidance in following His instructions for you?

The OT has so many benefits of understanding God more, His plans, His ways, His desires for us, and since Jesus is our example as well as our only salvation, and Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments, my heart feels the love of God and desires to please and be obedient. This is the fruit of my salvation. Desiring from the heart to keep the laws that apply to me. They are a daily guide how to love God (first 4 commandments) and how to love your neighbor (last 6 commandments.)

Hope that clears up your confusion about Jesus did keep the law perfectly. He just couldn't keep the laws that did not pertain to His life and situation.

 

[homwardbound]

we still slip up sometimes but we cease from practicing sin through the holy spirit

The propensity is definitely there being in unredeemed flesh that is, learning day by day just to walk by the Spirit that sets us free to be in God and to learn to ask God? not my works Father rather yours through me Thank you Father and Christ. Christ for showing us this to depend on Father as you did, what a great example, stress free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If one is a part of this covenant ratified by the blood of Yahshua they will love Yahweh's Law, as how could it be written in ones heart if they rejected it?

The letter isn't written in our hearts. That is just figurative language for the indwelling holy spirit, which we follow rather than the letter.

The law is nothing more than ideas written in letters that delineate and demand the just conduct of GOD's holy spirit.

When we have that life-giving spirit dwelling within us, there is no need for the letter except as an instructional reference. What point is there in following a creation (law) that points to the creator (spirit), when we have the very life (spirit) of the creator dwelling within us working the righteousness demanded by the law?

 

[john832]

The only difference is that one condemns and the Other has empathy.

The Law does not have empathy period. It defines sin. The empathy comes from a God who planned for sin prior to creation and enacted a plan to redeem us before the first molecule was created...

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[homwardbound]

Well that is what I said. Because He was resurrected to life, we can be resurrected to life. I Cor 15 is the resurrection chapter and contains the most of the truth on the resurrections in one place. The other very important cahpter to understand the resurrections is Rev 20.

For he is risen, and I by God a gift from God am born again unto and into God the Father having Life everlasting. It took me to agree with God to die to self with Christ in the flesh at the cross. Then the showing of this new life started to unveil deeper and deeper as "I" started the die daily to self routine/ And now that I see this door that has opened through death to self, I personally am not stopping the daily dying to self
Phil 3 clear to me at 3:10-11 and 1 cor. 15, where unless the seed fall into the ground and die there is no life otherwise. Those that deny to die, shall not see life, as those that die see life.

 

[homwardbound]

I have always been a person that held the Mosaic Law in high regard. Today, that gets me labeled, and into trouble, because the norm seems to be that through Christ the Mosaic Law has been done away with despite the Words of Christ Himself. So, I am presented with another argument of why the Law is useless, presenting to me another scripture to prove the point of neglect. The statement was;
“We are no longer under the Mosaic law as the way to righteousness and to salvation, because it is weak and useless to do either.” (Heb 7:18-19).
So I read Hebrews 7:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
I still couldn’t get my head wrapped around the way this scripture was presented, because I believe there has never been righteousness achieved by being under the Mosaic Law. I’ve always thought that the Mosaic Law had a purpose however, but I knew it had no power to make a man or a woman righteous because humans are incapable. The Word says, if you break one of the least commandments, that you’re guilty of breaking all of them. It looks like verse 18 really does appear to read as if the Mosaic Law has truly been disannulled.
So then I saw it. There was something “going before” this disannulling. It was a “weakness and unprofitableness thereof.” A subtlety that was very easy to miss without study. This person was actually saying the law was weak, and never mentioned that the flesh was weak. I can now see the distortion of scripture, yet it was not misquoted, and was even the truth, as far as it went, but wasn’t the whole truth.
I suppose that if one wants to negate the Mosaic Law, and throw it away, they would have to declare it as the entity at fault. So I began to search scripture that said that the law was weak.
Romans 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Yes, the law is weak, but not in itself, it is us affiliated with it that makes it weak. That isn’t God’s fault, it’s our fault, for if we claim his Word as weak in itself without us being attached, we actually are equating God’s Word as weak instead of us. That way of thinking (for all intents and purposes) inadvertently makes God’s Word weaker than we are, and then we can claim strength in salvation by neglecting reality, and just go on our merry old way, singing “I’ll fly away”.
Our adversary doesn’t want us to recognize our nature in the flesh, he wants us to turn a blind eye to the reality that even though we are saved by the blood of Christ, we still have this old nature that fights within our members. The Mosaic Law in its entirety is like the mirror that the brother of Jesus mentioned.
James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

God never negated the law, for He wants us to see ourselves as He sees us, and that leads us to the law of liberty, understanding that the law is good if we use it lawfully.
1 Timothy 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

From reading the history of the founding fathers of the United States, I think that the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] continental congress had this understanding when they signed the constitution.

And so then how shall any of us escape if:
Hebrews 2:3 how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
Hebrews 10:28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

So who is despising Moses' Law given to the people from God and who are upholding it, and agreed to die to their flesh and be alive in the Holy Ghost?