What Laws are still valid to christians

[eternally-gratefull]

What did Jesus fulfill on the cross?

He fulfilled over 300 prophecies. He fulfilled the Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Shavuot (the Holy Spirit arrival) 100% perfectly. Jesus is God's perfect lamb sacrificed. He is the last sacrifice for the sins of all the world and most specifically for me. Jesus is our High Priest who intercedes for us before God. Jesus shed blood is all we need for salvation and His resurrection is all we need for our blessed Hope of also being resurrected to eternal life in the kingdom of God. Jesus' teaching the whole Word of God is all we need for how to walk in this newness of life of the renewed marriage covenant. He became my Bridegroom and I became His bride. To say all this, I must add Jesus will perfectly, 100% fulfill Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Succot, and The Great Eighth Day. There are many prophecies that are yet unfulfilled and the book of Revelations begins with Jesus speaking:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep/obey those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

so in other words, the law can not condemn you anymore?

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Yes or no no verses no repeats? Just yes or no? Seems to me either you cnt answer or simply won't? Il ask a final time? Did Jesus fulfill all the law? Yes or no?

What does it mean to you that Jesus fulfilled the law? How do you define fulfillment? What other scriptures do you stand on to support your belief?

 

[LT]

I have answered you several times. The reason I use much dialog is because this subject matter is the biggest divide between Christians who believe that the Law of God is not voided by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The modern day, traditional or mainstream churches who follow that Jesus voided the OT laws is the broad path. I am not on that broad path, I am on the narrow path that leads to righteousness. The benefits of believing the whole Bible is still relevant for our lives today is so much clearer than the old path I once was on, believing that I was of the Church, separate from those people in OT, blah blah blah.

I am an ingrafted Israelite through the blood of Messiah Yshua! I believe the Torah is intended for all believers Jew and gentile. I am Torah observant and grace dependant. Although I seek to obey all of Torah that applies to me I fail to do so perfectly and so I am dependant on the grace of Yah for forgiveness.

Galatians 4. read the whole chapter. There is no way you can hold your view once you have read this chapter.

look at 21-31 very carefully:
21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. 23 His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
24 These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother.


30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.”[f]31 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.



But if you say that you depend wholly on Christ for salvation, then we are on the same team. And I would never tell someone to stop obeying the Law. I only suggest they don't try to burden others with the Law.

 

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Moses Ethiopian Wife


"And Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married; for he had married an Ethiopian woman" (Num. 12.1).


Every now and again someone asks how it could be that Moses, the champion of the Lord for the chosen people, could have married an Ethiopian who was therefore of the descendants of Ham, youngest son of Noah. There was strong objection in Israel to such marriages although the assumption that Moses had married before he left Egypt only raises the second question how he later came to marry Zipporah the Midianite when he apparently had left one wife back in Egypt. The word "Ethiopian" is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word "Cush" who in Genesis 10.8 is recorded as one of the sons of Ham. The Cushites became the people known to history as the Sumerians. Eventually many of their tribes migrated, some down the eastern side of the Persian Gulf and into India, where they established the Indus civilization which endured from about 2000 BC to 1500 BC. Others moved down the western side and across Arabia and over the Red Sea into Africa where they became the people known to the Egyptians as Cush, living mainly in what is now the Sudan. Jewish legend has it that Moses when at the court of Pharaoh led an invading army into Cush and returned in triumph but there is probably no truth in that.


"Ethiopia" in the A.V. is taken from old Anglo-Saxon versions that were based largely on the Greek Septuagint. It used this word to translate the Hebrew "Cush", but to the Greeks the whole of the southern world from Africa to India was denoted by the word Ethiopia (English travellers as late as the 17th Century still used the name in that sense). The Egyptians despised the Cushites and called them "vile Cush" and lost no opportunity of waging war on them. It would have been social suicide for Moses to marry into that nation while still at the Egyptian court and most unlikely. Another factor is that by deduction from Scripture records, at that time in history a man was rarely below the age of fifty at marriage, and since Moses fled to Midian at age forty, his marriage whilst there and return forty years later with two sons is perfectly logical. There is no evidence aside from this questionable statement in Num. 12.1 that he had been married before.


Zipporah, his Midianite wife (Exodus 2.15-22) was a descendant of Abraham through his wife Keturah. She was therefore of Semitic race and there would be no valid objection on that score against the union. Midianites were scattered all over the lands south of Canaan and the tribal name of the Sinai Midianites was Cushan (referred to only once in the O.T. in Habakkuk 3.7 "I saw the tents of Cushan in affliction and the curtains of the land of Midian did tremble". The almost certain explanation of Num. 12.1 is that by an early copyist's mistake Cushan was turned into Cush by the omission of the final N. The archaic Hebrew N in the days before Ezra was a very insignificant little "squiggle" and could easily have been missed. On this basis the text tells us that Moses had married a Cushan Midianite, which is what Exodus 2 says anyway. The objection raised by Aaron and Miriam to the nationality of his wife was probably evoked by jealousy. They feared that one of Moses' own sons by Zipporah would be appointed by him to succeed him as Israel's leader when the time came. They, and probably most of their fellows, would much prefer a full blooded son of Israel. They need not have worried; when the time did come, the Lord brought forth His own choice for leader, the stalwart Joshua. This is one of the lessons we all find hard to learn, that the Lord is perfectly able to raise up His own instrument to carry on any section of His work when the torch begins to fall from failing hands. We need not plan and devise and agonize for the continuance of that which He has left in our charge for a space of time.


One has to realise that many of the women of the Old Testament history were not of Israel, although of Semitic race Isaac married Rebecca who was of Nahor, brother to Abraham. Jacob married Rachel and Leah of the same stock. Salmon prince of Judah at the entry to the Land married Rahab of Jericho whose name shows she was Semitic, either of Abraham through Esau, Ishmael or Keturah, or of Nahor. Tamar who carried on the Messianic line from Judah was not of Jacob but her name too reveals that she was Semitic. Ruth who married Boaz was a Moabite, from Lot the son of Haran another brother of Abraham. There was no inconsistency therefore in the case of Moses.


There are theories that assert that the name "Cush" means black and that he was a black man, the ancestor of the African races. While it is true that purely Hebrew names often have a meaning which can be traced by the construction of the word as for example Jesus in Greek is the Hebrew Joshua, or more properly Jehoshua, which means God is Saviour, the same practice cannot be applied to non-Hebrew names. There is no Hebrew word closely resembling Cush that means black. Cush was given his name long before there were any Hebrews or any Hebrew language. He was certainly the ancestor of the Sumerians and that language is the oldest one that is now known, but the Sumerian word for black is "gig" - not very similar. No one knows what the nature of the language spoken by Noah and his sons was and only that later languages were derived from it. It is probably true that many of the black peoples of Africa are descended from Cush but their black colour developed after they had settled in Africa and not before. The various, colours of men in different climes are the result of long habitation under specialised conditions of climate and food, and probably other factors not yet completely understood. There is no reason for thinking that Noah had grandsons in a variety of colours,. In fact there is evidence to the contrary. According to Genesis 10, Cush had a brother named Phut. The Phutites in later generations also crossed into Africa and colonised the north, right across the continent to the Atlantic in days when the present Sahara desert was a fertile well-watered country abounding in forests and animal life. Today there are cave-paintings still existing in that barren and uninhabited waste executed by, and depicting, those Phutites of four thousand years ago but they are not shown as black. They are painted with red and yellow skins; their descendants today are deep brown.


There is no means of determining the colour of the first men, nor yet that of Noah and his sons. The white races tend to think that they must have been white; but the Chinese insist, quite as logically, that they were yellow. We just do not know. What we do know is that God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on the face of the earth. (Acts 17.16) and that all men everywhere, of whatever colour, are able to propagate their own kind with each other.. Perhaps the Lord, who is the supreme Artist in creation, sees some advantage in having men ultimately develop five outward colours, whilst still being men inside, just as He has ordained variety in the rest of His Creation.


Coming back to the main point, there is not much doubt that the only woman Moses married, the mother of his children was the daughter of the Midianite Chieftain. Jethro gave him hospitality during his term of exile and proved to be as much a reverential worshipper of the true God as was Moses himself.


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thought i would add a small thing here. lol
24At a lodging place on the way, the LORD met Moses[10] and was about to kill him. 25But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son’s foreskin and touched Moses’ feet with it.[11] “Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me,” she said. 26So the LORD let him alone. (At that time she said “bridegroom of blood,” referring to circumcision.)
the first circumcision

 

[WomanLovesTX]

so in other words, the law can not condemn you anymore?

That is correct. I keep the commandments that I am able to, but I am grace dependent.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is correct. I keep the commandments that I am able to, but I am grace dependent.

The how can you say we are under law, if the law can no longer condemn you.

If your under grace, as you say, youy are no longer under law. because all the law can do is condemn you, If it can not condemn you any more, it has no power over you

 

[vic1980]

I have answered you several times. The reason I use much dialog is because this subject matter is the biggest divide between Christians who believe that the Law of God is not voided by the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. The modern day, traditional or mainstream churches who follow that Jesus voided the OT laws is the broad path. I am not on that broad path, I am on the narrow path that leads to righteousness. The benefits of believing the whole Bible is still relevant for our lives today is so much clearer than the old path I once was on, believing that I was of the Church, separate from those people in OT, blah blah blah.


I am an ingrafted Israelite through the blood of Messiah Yshua! I believe the Torah is intended for all believers Jew and gentile. I am Torah observant and grace dependant. Although I seek to obey all of Torah that applies to me I fail to do so perfectly and so I am dependant on the grace of Yah for forgiveness.

Hmm interesting.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Matthew 5
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18“For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19“Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

so when does heaven and earth pass away

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

God Bless

 

[vic1980]

read galatians 3 and 4 it's a great read

 

[WomanLovesTX]

The how can you say we are under law, if the law can no longer condemn you.

If your under grace, as you say, youy are no longer under law. because all the law can do is condemn you, If it can not condemn you any more, it has no power over you

Eternally grateful, do me a huge favor and quote me wherever you believe I say "we are under the law". I don't think you can, and I am pretty certain I never said that. In my understanding, to say we are the law would be like saying grace doesn't matter. I've never said that either. You may be trying to twist things a bit to make your posts justify your own belief which is, that you believe the Torah instructions (first five books) hold no significance to our Christian walk.????

Perhaps I am now putting words on you that you do not mean. Please explain and do post me quoting that we are under the law.

 

[Linda70]

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[just-me]

Eternally grateful, do me a huge favor and quote me wherever you believe I say "we are under the law". I don't think you can, and I am pretty certain I never said that. In my understanding, to say we are the law would be like saying grace doesn't matter. I've never said that either. You may be trying to twist things a bit to make your posts justify your own belief which is, that you believe the Torah instructions (first five books) hold no significance to our Christian walk.????

Perhaps I am now putting words on you that you do not mean. Please explain and do post me quoting that we are under the law.

I have always been a person that held the Mosaic Law in high regard. Today, that gets me labeled, and into trouble, because the norm seems to be that through Christ the Mosaic Law has been done away with despite the Words of Christ Himself. This is a statement from one who disagrees with what I believe.
“We are no longer under the Mosaic law as the way to righteousness and to salvation, because it is weak and useless to do either.” (Heb 7:18-19).

So I read Hebrews 7:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

I still couldn’t get my head wrapped around the way this scripture was presented, because I believe there has never been righteousness achieved by being under the Mosaic Law. I’ve always thought that the Mosaic Law had a purpose however, but I knew it had no power to make a man or a woman righteous because humans are incapable. The Word says, if you break one of the least commandments, that you’re guilty of breaking all of them. It looks like verse 18 really does appear to read as if the Mosaic Law has truly been disannulled.

So then I saw it. There was something “going before” this disannulling. It was a “weakness and unprofitableness thereof.” A subtlety that was very easy to miss without study. This person was actually saying the law was weak, and never mentioned that the flesh was weak. I can now see the distortion of scripture, yet it was not misquoted, and was even the truth, as far as it went, but wasn’t the whole truth.
I suppose that if one wants to negate the Mosaic Law, and throw it away, they would have to declare it as the entity at fault. So I began to search scripture that said that the law was weak.

Romans 8:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Yes, the law is weak, but not in itself, it is us affiliated with it that makes it weak. That isn’t God’s fault, it’s our fault, for if we claim his Word as weak in itself without us being attached, we actually are equating God’s Word as weak instead of us. That way of thinking (for all intents and purposes) inadvertently makes God’s Word weaker than we are, and then we can claim strength in salvation by neglecting reality, and just go on our merry old way, singing “I’ll fly away”.
Our adversary doesn’t want us to recognize our nature in the flesh, he wants us to turn a blind eye to the reality that even though we are saved by the blood of Christ, we still have this old nature that fights within our members. The Mosaic Law in its entirety is like the mirror that the brother of Jesus mentioned.

James 1:23-25 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

God never negated the law, for He wants us to see ourselves as He sees us, and that leads us to the law of liberty, understanding that the law is good if we use it lawfully.

1 Timothy 1:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

From reading the history of the founding fathers of the United States, I think that the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] continental congress had this understanding when they signed the constitution.

 

[chubbena]

You miss the point completely. I never said that Jesus didn't keep the Law perfectly. He kept the Law perfectly that was applicable to him as a man in the Jewish environment. I stated there are certain laws that are for women only, for farmers only, for judges or Sanhedrins only. Jesus was circumised at 8 days old. Even this was an act of faith and obedience on His parents part. Jesus never lied or cheated anyone or committed adultery or killed anyone. Jesus loved the sinners and kept company with them. The Pharisees and Saducees had their box to put God in and Jesus said "NO!" you have added to God's commandments making His Law full of man-made traditions that make the law burdensome and of no effect. Jesus kept all the laws that would pertain to Him. Just because some of the laws were specific to women, farmers, judges, etc. is not speaking heresy but just an obvious fact that is truth. My point was to say that we who believe that God's OT laws and commands are still in effect today and that no one, not even Jesus could keep all the laws, because some laws do not apply to certain people. I study the Bible, and as the Holy Spirit convicts me I obey the commandment. Some say well your clothing cannot have two materials mixed and you must wear only a single material to obey the commandments. I believe it is true and I would like to incorporate this into my life style, but haven't yet. So I am grace dependent always as I believe the Torah is still relevant for today.

Does anyone here have a conviction of something that they have not incorporated into their life as yet? Perhaps a prison ministry? God lays something on your heart and you pray and ask for His guidance in following His instructions for you?

The OT has so many benefits of understanding God more, His plans, His ways, His desires for us, and since Jesus is our example as well as our only salvation, and Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments, my heart feels the love of God and desires to please and be obedient. This is the fruit of my salvation. Desiring from the heart to keep the laws that apply to me. They are a daily guide how to love God (first 4 commandments) and how to love your neighbor (last 6 commandments.)

Hope that clears up your confusion about Jesus did keep the law perfectly. He just couldn't keep the laws that did not pertain to His life and situation.

I'm glad you explained.

 

[LT]

hmmm... the Old Covenant was flawed. It was flawed because it depended on human effort.
The New Covenant is the better Covenant, because it depends only on God.
Hebrew 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I agree. The first 4 commandments show us How to love God.

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

(1) Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
(2) Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
(3) Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
(4) Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

If we obey these 4 commandments we are Loving God the way He asks us to Love Him.

Or there other ways that God and Christ require? Jesus said and the apostle John and Paul echoed:

(Mat 19:17) And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

(Joh 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Joh 14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

(Joh 15:10) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(1Co 7:19) Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

(1Jn 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

(1Jn 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

(1Jn 3:22) And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

(1Jn 3:24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

(1Jn 5:2) By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

(1Jn 5:3) For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

(Rev 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The second commandment that is like it is contained in the 6 commandments of the ten.

(5) Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
(6) Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
(7) Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(8) Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
(9) Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
(10) Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Jesus came and fulfilled the law, that is filling up the complete meaning of the law. He is our Master/Teacher/Rabbi...not only an authority on Old Testament, but the author of the Old Testament.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

IMO, it demonstrates the dishonest nature of law-cultist exegesis to exclude this verse that defines GOD's new covenant commandment:

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eternally grateful, do me a huge favor and quote me wherever you believe I say "we are under the law". I don't think you can, and I am pretty certain I never said that. In my understanding, to say we are the law would be like saying grace doesn't matter. I've never said that either. You may be trying to twist things a bit to make your posts justify your own belief which is, that you believe the Torah instructions (first five books) hold no significance to our Christian walk.????

Perhaps I am now putting words on you that you do not mean. Please explain and do post me quoting that we are under the law.

lol..

You think the 1st 5 books can make you righteous, and teach you how to live like God wants.

I do not.

Thus you are teaching we must obey the law.. I am telling you you will not live for God if you try to do this. That is what people are saying.

 

[Hizikyah]

IMO, it demonstrates the dishonest nature of law-cultist exegesis to exclude this verse that defines GOD's new covenant commandment:

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23​

Do you number Yahshua with the so called "Law cultists?"

Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

 

[Hizikyah]

lol..

You think the 1st 5 books can make you righteous, and teach you how to live like God wants.

I do not.

Thus you are teaching we must obey the law.. I am telling you you will not live for God if you try to do this. That is what people are saying.

So following Yahweh's Instructions = not following Yahweh?

 

[Hizikyah]

hmmm... the Old Covenant was flawed. It was flawed because it depended on human effort.
The New Covenant is the better Covenant, because it depends only on God.
Hebrew 8:7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another.8 But God found fault with the people

1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So following Yahweh's Instructions = not following Yahweh?

I can follow God by what God wants me to do. Why do i need to follow God by following the 1st 5 books?


Can they show how not to love self?
Can they show me how I should act at work?
Can they tell me how I should treat my enemy?
Can they show me how to lopve my children and my wife?
Can they show me how to love my church family?

Do I need to go any further? I can come up with many many more!

 

[vic1980]

1 Timothy 1:8

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

So the Law stands upheld until Christ returns matthew 18:5 & 2 Peter 3:10 fullfillment. It is to edify those that do not understand there disobedience towards God i belive.

Someone who has faith in Christ fullfills all thee Law with Love, the same Love Jesus taught us. The fullfillment of the commandment is Love.

Romans 13:10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

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