What Laws are still valid to christians

[eternally-gratefull]

1 Corinthians 9:24-27, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all compete, but only one receives the prize? So run your race that you may lay hold of the prize, and make it yours. And everyone who competes conducts himself temperately in all things. Now they compete to obtain a perishable crown; but we for an imperishable crown. Therefore, I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man who beats the air. No, I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified."

yep, he does not follow the law. He runs a race always trying to figure out what God wants him to do in any given moment!

 

[WomanLovesTX]

lol..

You think the 1st 5 books can make you righteous, and teach you how to live like God wants.

I do not.

Thus you are teaching we must obey the law.. I am telling you you will not live for God if you try to do this. That is what people are saying.

Who are you to say that I am not living for God because I believe that His Whole Word is still relevant in our lives today? You are making statements that are lies. You have no understanding of what God has laid on my heart and how He directs my path with HIS LIGHT.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Who are you to say that I am not living for God because I believe that His Whole Word is still relevant in our lives today? You are making statements that are lies. You have no understanding of what God has laid on my heart and how He directs my path with HIS LIGHT.

No, I know reality/

I know if you or anyone else is using the 1st 5 books, and think they make you a morally god person who is doing what God wants you to do in this life are missing out on so much, And probably missing out on so much, And not able to be used by God, because your focused on some law. And not on what God wants.

 

[Hizikyah]

yep, he does not follow the law. He runs a race always trying to figure out what God wants him to do in any given moment!

wow

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

 

[WomanLovesTX]

No, I know reality/

I know if you or anyone else is using the 1st 5 books, and think they make you a morally god person who is doing what God wants you to do in this life are missing out on so much, And probably missing out on so much, And not able to be used by God, because your focused on some law. And not on what God wants.

Again, you are making a lot of false assumptions. You hate God don't you?

Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

 

[Hizikyah]

I can follow God by what God wants me to do. Why do i need to follow God by following the 1st 5 books?


Can they show how not to love self?
Can they show me how I should act at work?
Can they tell me how I should treat my enemy?
Can they show me how to lopve my children and my wife?
Can they show me how to love my church family?

Do I need to go any further? I can come up with many many more!

Yahweh's Law is perfect and can show you all that and more. Acting like one is following the Law and not performing the Spirit of the Law is not following the Law at all.

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."

Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by HeRoseFromTheDead

IMO, it demonstrates the dishonest nature of law-cultist exegesis to exclude this verse that defines GOD's new covenant commandment:

This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23

Do you number Yahshua with the so called "Law cultists?"

Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

I like this one. If another shall come in his own name, (believing not the writings of Moses) and we receive them, we are like the Pharisees.

John 5:42-47 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Do you number Yahshua with the so called "Law cultists?"

Mattithyah 5:19 "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Christ obeyed the law perfectly by following the spirit, not the law. We are commanded to do likewise.

According to your failed interpretation of the above verses, Paul will be considered among the least in the kingdom of heaven because he taught that circumcision in the flesh (as a means of obedience to the law of Moses) violated the will of GOD. Circumcision was a commandment of GOD and the law. It wasn't a least law either; it was the very doorway into the old covenant. Yet Paul called it nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yahweh's Law is perfect and can show you all that and more. Acting like one is following the Law and not performing the Spirit of the Law is not following the Law at all.[/quopte]

Oh it can?? How??

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."

Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:

How can we circumcize our heart? Paul said it is not use who circumcises. It is God.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

I was never given land, so this does not affect me.

no are you going to answer my question?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again, you are making a lot of false assumptions. You hate God don't you?

No, I love God and I want to do what he wants me to do. I also want to know who he wants me to serve, and how.

I will not find that out by the law.

Deu 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Whats that have to do with the law? Even you admit that most of the law was fulfilled. The only ones you have left are a few does and do nots. How can they tell you what to do in your life? All they can do is tell you when you screw up..

 

[WomanLovesTX]

Stephen was stoned to death because of False accusations of blaspheming the Temple and the Law.


Act 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
Act 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

I am in good company with Stephen. The false accusations, be it twisting of God's Word, are still being hurdled today.

 

[Hizikyah]

Christ obeyed the law perfectly by following the spirit, not the law. We are commanded to do likewise.

According to your failed interpretation of the above verses, Paul will be considered among the least in the kingdom of heaven because he taught that circumcision in the flesh (as a means of obedience to the law of Moses) violated the will of GOD. Circumcision was a commandment of GOD and the law. It wasn't a least law either; it was the very doorway into the old covenant. Yet Paul called it nothing.

The Spirit and the Law agree in all points...

and you avoid verse after verse and then....nvm

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I like this one. If another shall come in his own name, (believing not the writings of Moses) and we receive them, we are like the Pharisees.

John 5:42-47 (KJV)
[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Coming in one's own name means receiving glory and honor from men. Coming in the name of another means seeking glory and honor from him. It has nothing to do with Moses. Christ was simply saying that Moses, in whom they trusted, would condemn them for being hypocrites, i.e. pretending to believe and obey what Moses wrote.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yahweh's Law is perfect and can show you all that and more. Acting like one is following the Law and not performing the Spirit of the Law is not following the Law at all.[/quopte]

Oh it can?? How??

If you studied Yahweh's Law and had the Spirit you would understand. Also please dont say, you dont need to study it, I imagine you study about the Messiah...

How can we circumcize our heart? Paul said it is not use who circumcises. It is God.

Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

You seem to be arguing agaist the Scripture or not understanding the power of Yahweh.

I was never given land, so this does not affect me.

no are you going to answer my question?

The land promise was given to Abraham right?...

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then
you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalam 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Also I thought I answered your question, what was it again? (sincerely)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Spirit and the Law agree in all points...

and you avoid verse after verse and then....nvm

It's so funny to see the smoke coming out your ears when the circuits overload and short-circuit when I present these contradictions that you can't answer. And you accuse me of running away.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am in good company with Stephen. The false accusations, be it twisting of God's Word, are still being hurdled today.

It's lonely up there on a pedestal, isn't it?

 

[Hizikyah]

It's so funny to see the smoke coming out your ears when the circuits overload and short-circuit when I present these contradictions that you can't answer.

you run every time I post a verse where Yahshua says to follow the Law or just outright ignore it and pick and pick and pick...

we have gone through this so many times, if you want to play like you on the upright side of the debate concerning adressing my points, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you studied Yahweh's Law and had the Spirit you would understand. Also please dont say, you dont need to study it, I imagine you study about the Messiah...

I did not say I have never studied it, I said I do not use it to plan my life and make my righteousness, It can not do that for me.

You seem to be arguing agaist the Scripture or not understanding the power of Yahweh.

lol. I used scripture, and you say I am arguing against it? It is obvious you are trying try circumcise your own heart. and reject the fact that God wants to cleanse your heart for you.

Let me give you a hit, if you try to cleanse your own soul, You will fail.

The land promise was given to Abraham right?...

Abraham through issac and jacob and his 12 sons only

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

This is not talking of a land contract. this is talking of the blessing to all nations.

if yuo can't get this stuff right, how can we listen to anything else?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Stephen was stoned to death because of False accusations of blaspheming the Temple and the Law.


Act 6:8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
Act 6:9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyrenians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cilicia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
Act 6:10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
Act 6:11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
Act 6:12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
Act 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
Act 6:14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

I am in good company with Stephen. The false accusations, be it twisting of God's Word, are still being hurdled today.

Yeah your in company alright, the people who teach what you teach stoned him!

 

[Hizikyah]

Christ obeyed the law perfectly by following the spirit, not the law. We are commanded to do likewise.

According to your failed interpretation of the above verses, Paul will be considered among the least in the kingdom of heaven because he taught that circumcision in the flesh (as a means of obedience to the law of Moses) violated the will of GOD. Circumcision was a commandment of GOD and the law. It wasn't a least law either; it was the very doorway into the old covenant. Yet Paul called it nothing.

Circumcision was always supposed to be a Spiritual change in a person, Scripture tells us for many it was simply outward...

If you understood what Yahshua taught about the Law it is the same, that doent mean you reject Law that mean you submit to Yahweh's true intent of it...

worship in Spirit and truth... I think alot of people these days claim to worship in Spirit while doing the exact oppisite in their flesh, STILL UNCIRCUMCISED IN FLESH AND SPIRIT...