What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?
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Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament/covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Its the New Covenant in Christ's Blood shed and confirmed to the Many !
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Matt 26:28
28 For this is my blood of the new testament/covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Heb 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Its the New Covenant in Christ's Blood shed and confirmed to the Many !
from the same verse, it was said that the covenant, shall be confirmed for "one week"? When was it confirmed and for how long?
I did not know that a thread of similar question was started by laodicea way back in 2011. Sorry.
To those interested in dicussing this topic, feel free to post in both threads.
To those interested in dicussing this topic, feel free to post in both threads.
L
Least
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And when was it proclaimed, as mentioned earlier in the same chapter.
Daniel 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
M
Married_Richenbrachen
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I think the week can actually be translated as "seven". I think the seven began with Jesus baptism and ministry, and proceeded from this date (i.e. 7 years). In the midst of this final seven, our Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself.
The confirmation is the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 2:47 praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
the Messiah was cut off (7+62=69 weeks) as clearly seen im verse 26, not in the midstof the week ofverse 27.
M
Married_Richenbrachen
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So Messiah is cut off after 69 weeks, so during the 70th week.
Daniel 9:25 - 26 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
E
eternally-gratefull
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It does not say specifically we can only guess.
We know the he who confirms the covenant, is also the one who commits the abomination.
We know the one who commits the abomination does so declaring himself to be God.
We also know (from context of the whole passage) that 1 week = 7 years. And we can that in the middle of the week he commits this abomination. Which according to Christ will start the "great tribulation"
The many, would mean many nations I believe, Not just Israel as many think..
the covenant thus would most likely be a covenant of peace. Since this leader we are told will gain rule over all the earth. And all the nations will worship him during this tribulation time. Meaning, most likely he breaks his covenant with all nations.
We know the he who confirms the covenant, is also the one who commits the abomination.
We know the one who commits the abomination does so declaring himself to be God.
We also know (from context of the whole passage) that 1 week = 7 years. And we can that in the middle of the week he commits this abomination. Which according to Christ will start the "great tribulation"
The many, would mean many nations I believe, Not just Israel as many think..
the covenant thus would most likely be a covenant of peace. Since this leader we are told will gain rule over all the earth. And all the nations will worship him during this tribulation time. Meaning, most likely he breaks his covenant with all nations.
A FLOOD? Was there a flood? What flood?
Did Jesus not say... O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Now this..... Whom of you believe this time shall come that the GREAT JESUS talks about here....
The time when WHO shall say .... BLESSED IS HE .... When is that time and WHO shall say it, and WHERE shall they say it...
If you get this you know what Daniel talks about,,,,
Did Jesus not say... O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!
Luk 13:35 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Now this..... Whom of you believe this time shall come that the GREAT JESUS talks about here....
The time when WHO shall say .... BLESSED IS HE .... When is that time and WHO shall say it, and WHERE shall they say it...
If you get this you know what Daniel talks about,,,,
E
eternally-gratefull
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If messiah gets cut off AFTER 69 weeks. We know the time until he was is 69 weeks (as seen from the prophesy which show him entering jerusalem (many call this day palm sunday) in which he fulfilled.
He was killed less than 1 week (literally 7 Days later)
then we are told of many things which happen.
1. The city will be destroyed (occurs app 40 years after messiah is cut off. )
2. Wars and desolation, of the city of jerusalem will continue, until a specific time determines. (the time fram of these wars and desolations can not be determined)
3. The prince who is to come (of the people who destroyed jerusalem) will make a 1 week covenant. (this marks the beginning of the 70th week)
4. In the middle of this week. The abomination of desolation occures. Which according to Jesus warning, will start the tribulation
5. The tribulation will end with the return of Christ, the destruction of all evil, The banishment of the beast and false prophet. Satan being bound. And the only ones who will survive are those who come to Christ (jew or gentile alike)
At this time, Israel has repented. She is following her God. She is saved and grafted back in. And the prophesy (end of sin) is fulfilled.
M
Married_Richenbrachen
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I don't think we know this, and I actually believe the text is saying that the Messiah will confirm the covenant.
I don't think it says that the abomination occurs in the midst of the week. Have I missed something?
The confirmation of the covenant is the Holy Spirit, who was poured out at Pentecost.
M
Married_Richenbrachen
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I thought the 69 weeks was (roughly) to the start of Jesus' ministry (his baptism), then His getting cut off was after this (after ~3 years of ministry, within the 70th week).
See above - ~3 years into His ministry (the 70th week). Why should the 70th week not follow the 69th?
Again, I think the covenant was with Messiah - the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, the many who believed and were converted.
I don't think the text says the abomination will occur in the midst of the 70th week. It implies after Messiah is cut off. History tells us this date was 70AD, ~40 years later.
E
eternally-gratefull
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I know alot of people do. I do no tthink it is because we are told of the "prince who is to come" and this is immediately followed be "he" I believe the "he" spoken of here is the prince.
Plus, we know the one who stops the sacrifice and burnt offering is the same as the one who commits the abomination. Jesus did not, and would not do this.
Just my thoughts
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
Here is the "HE" confirming a covenant with many for 1 week.
But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
Here is the he breaking the covenant in the middle of the week. By commiting the abomination (this would make the holy place unclean and put a stop to sacrifice and burnt offering)
Yes, He confirmed a covenant for us. But that is not the context of the passage.
the content of the passage is as following
1. Daniels people are in sin
2. Daniels city lies waste
3. God is going to give them 70 weeks to make an end of their sin
4. Yes during the first 69 weeks,. they did return and rebuild the city. However, their sin remained. The end of sin did not happen
5. Christ came, and they rejected him., Thus again, the end of their sin did not happen
6. At the end of this tribulation, time of jacob's trouble day of wrath and testing etc etc. We are told Isreal repents. and puts an END to their sin.
this is when the prophesy is fulfilled
the church is not in context of ANY of the prophesy, Because daniel was not praying concerning anyone who is or will get saved, He prayed for his blood kinsmen and his Holy City. thus any other interpretation to me would be taking it out of context.
E
eternally-gratefull
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a few thoughts.
1. OT prophesies showed that messiah the prince would enter jerusalem on a donkey, and by this, we would know the messiah was being introduced to the masses as their king (even they understood this)
2. A careful review of the timeline, from the time to restore, until messiah comes literally to the day of his enterance
3. Even jesus confirmed this, "if you only knew what day this was, but now it has been hidden from you) they should have known by this very prophesy.
again, He was cut off AFTER (in the language, it means immediately after) if it was 3 1/2 years later, it would not be after,. if would be in the middle of the 70th week. so either way, this 3 1/2 does not fit.
How would daniel interpret it?
from start to messiah 69 weeks
messiah killed immediately following or literally "at the end or completion" of the 69th week
part of the mystery which was not seen.
The mystery was there. Satan assumed Jesus would set up his kingdom. Thus he came to be king messiah, Not suffering servant. if God did not allow this mystery, Satan would have done what he could to stop the messiahs death. In doing this. God won the greatest battle of all time, He shut satan's mouth by having satan kill him, and proving to all creation once and for all, The lies of satan, and the true love of God
This would not have been possible unless the "mystery" occured. because again, Satan would have stopped his death,
Also, There is evidence most of daniels prophesies concerning the kingdoms etc had a time period which was not seen between the 1st kingdom of rome, and the one which would follow. This follows that pattern
The covenant was said to be for only 1 week. Do you think the HS only confirmed a covenant for 7 years?? is it not confirmed for us even today? That would make the 1 week covenant now valid for 2000 years. It does not fit.
No abomination occured in 70 weeks. The temple was destroyed in 70 AD. it was not made unclean. For a temple to be rendered unclean, it must still stand.
And you also have already placed a length of time of 40 years before the 70 weeks is completed. if this is, as you say, the middle of the week.
in other words, what covenant was made in 67 AD? and what in 73 AD fulfilled the prophesy of 70 weeks?
Messiah, the head of the body of Christ, confirmed the new covenant with Israel during the 70th week (7 years). He taught and confirmed it during the first 3 1/2 years, then he was cut off in the midst of the 70th week.
Christ's disciples, his body, confirmed the new covenant with Israel for the remaining 3 1/2 years of the 70th week.
Once the 70th week was complete, GOD's promise to Israel was complete. The new covenant had been confirmed to Israel for 7 years.
Immediately after that, IMO, Peter had his vision that obedient gentiles were now clean in GOD's eyes, and was sent to Cornelius' house in Caesarea. This marked the beginning of the fullness of the gentiles.
Something in me wonders if this Cornelius wasn't the same centurion whom Jesus declared had greater faith than anyone he had met in Israel. What a tremendous honor to bestow on such a man.
Christ's disciples, his body, confirmed the new covenant with Israel for the remaining 3 1/2 years of the 70th week.
Once the 70th week was complete, GOD's promise to Israel was complete. The new covenant had been confirmed to Israel for 7 years.
Immediately after that, IMO, Peter had his vision that obedient gentiles were now clean in GOD's eyes, and was sent to Cornelius' house in Caesarea. This marked the beginning of the fullness of the gentiles.
Something in me wonders if this Cornelius wasn't the same centurion whom Jesus declared had greater faith than anyone he had met in Israel. What a tremendous honor to bestow on such a man.
E
eternally-gratefull
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I disagree.
1. We were not told that the messiah would be cut off in the middle of the week. But at the completion of the 69th week.\
2. Israel (the context of the prophesy) was still in sin, and remains in sin. and the city still lies desolate. thus the completion could not have been fulfilled in my mind.
It says that he was to be cut off after the period of 69 weeks, but I don't think that necessarily means when the 69th week ended.
Daniel also said that sacrifice was to cease in the midst of the 70th week, which correlates perfectly with what Christ accomplished when he was cut off from the living at the cross. And this also correlates with Isaiah 53.
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. Isaiah 53:8
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10