Is Israel God’s Elect Nation?..

[weakness]

I think a good way for me that makes sense is the scripture about Israel being a natural branch that was broken off the root(Christ)and cast aside in unbelief, and the gentiles ,being a wild olive branch, being grafted in because of their belief. And if any Jew believes they can be grafted back in.But the real lasting thing here is the ROOT or Christ,and the branches,Jew or gentile should not boast against the root For God is able to cast either one off.Christ is the real blood and life of the true Israel And HE is whats really what it's all about.The real Israel is not a revision it's what it always has been, Gods people, nothing more or nothing less.

 

[Linda70]

who in verse ten is Peter alluding too? jackrabbits?

I'm going to let you give me the answer. Your sarcasm is very unchristlike.

 

[BradC]

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


Dispy 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, but the church isn't promised to you, it's for gentiles. You are of Israel, so you.....uh.....um......

Us 'dipsys' like to 'dipsy doodle' don't we? Dipsy doodle to all you amillennial folks that never liked the idea of Esau selling his birthright to his deceitful brother Jacob (the one who God loved) for a mess of pottage.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I'm going to let you give me the answer. Your sarcasm is very unchristlike.

And this is?

In another thread on this forum, there is a group of people who are really not interested in hearing the truth or speaking the truth. They are the fulfillment of 2 Timothy 4:2-4...and they would rather listen to their "reformed/preterist/covenant" theology "teachers" than to read and study Scriptures for themselves. Their interpretation of Scriptures is "pre-supposed" and "pre-determined" through the eyes of these teachers who teach and preach lies

Titus 3:10 As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him,

Prov 5:12-19 A worthless person, a wicked man, goes about with crooked speech, winks with his eyes, signals with his feet, points with his finger, with perverted heart devises evil, continually sowing discord; therefore calamity will come upon him suddenly; in a moment he will be broken beyond healing. There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: ...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I see that some people are unable to "rightly divide" the Word of truth....and falsely and purposefully bash dispensational theology because it dosn't "fit" into their own scheme of biblical interpretation.

I asked Abiding to show me where Peter meant "church" in those verses he quoted...1 Peter 2:3-10.

The word "church" is mentioned once in 1 Peter 5:13 and not at all in 2 Peter.

To whom was Peter addressing in his 2 epistles?

I'm not saying that Peter preached a different Gospel than Paul, but Peter was the apostle to the "circumcision" (the Jews) and Paul was the apostle to the "uncircumcision" (the Gentiles).

peter addresses who his letter, and thus 1 peter 2 was written to in the first chapter.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, [SUP]2 [/SUP]elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

The letter was written to the remnant of isreal. who had been dispersed due to the sin of the nation (the disperson was still in effect)

 

[Abiding]

I'm going to let you give me the answer. Your sarcasm is very unchristlike.

Oh sorry "who in verse ten is Peter alluding too? jackrabbits? dearest Linda

 

[Linda70]

Oh sorry "who in verse ten is Peter alluding too? jackrabbits? dearest Linda

Someone else has answered the question correctly. You have a very arrogant attitude and you are very rude....none of which is very christlike. Straighten up and start acting your age.

BTW, the "dearest" is completely uncalled for.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

peter addresses who his letter, and thus 1 peter 2 was written to in the first chapter.

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, [SUP]2 [/SUP]elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:

The letter was written to the remnant of isreal. who had been dispersed due to the sin of the nation (the disperson was still in effect)

we see it also in vs 11

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, [SUP]12 [/SUP]having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Because you folks got so obnoxious in the thread to which you are referencing, I started this one, in the hope that things could possibly be more civil. That's why I put a mess of you guys on ignore.....you included. However I decided to "view" this post of yours and when I saw it, I decided to reply. However, you are going back on ignore. It appears that you, and all the others of your "group" don't want to be civil. You want to continue with your "anti-Israel" rhetoric by stating your unbiblical teaching that "The promises to national Israel have been fulfilled".....when you don't even believe or know that the nation/state of Israel is the same as the one in the Bible. I suppose you and your "group" believe in "another" Israel, just as you believe and teach "another" gospel.

I don't even know what other thread you are talking about but I have noticed that you began this thread pointing out a group of people and being condescending towards them from the beginning. You accuse others of not being civil, yet you started this thread with intent of being hostile toward others. Your OP proves that.
Isn't the Lord's servant supposed to be kind and not quarrelsome? What are your actions reflecting? I don't think you have any right to say other's aren't civil when you have acted rather rudely yourself.
And why are you taking people off ignore only to put them back on it? Can you not just leave the "rude" people on ignore, so you aren't subjected to it? I think you are enjoying the controversy. If you knew in another thread that others were acting out then what made you think creating another thread would make things different?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different response."

 

[Linda70]

Elizabeth,

Do you realize that "ignore" works both ways? Why don't you just put me on ignore if you believe I'm being rude?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How about we just love each other as brothers and sisters in Christ. this subject is not worth the discord and division which can cause with lack of love! we are all brothers and sisters here!

 

[Elizabeth619]

Elizabeth,

Do you realize that "ignore" works both ways? Why don't you just put me on ignore if you believe I'm being rude?

Why should I? I don't let you or others control my emotions. I'm also not going to sit here and let your comments fly by when you are just as guilty as those you accuse.

 

[Linda70]

How about we just love each other as brothers and sisters in Christ. this subject is not worth the discord and division which can cause with lack of love! we are all brothers and sisters here!

One of the Prof's at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., Dr. Harold Willmington, once told me..

We can never separate love and truth:

• Truth without love leads to legalism.

• Love without truth leads to liberalism.

How true that is.

2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 John 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One of the Prof's at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., Dr. Harold Willmington, once told me..

We can never separate love and truth:

• Truth without love leads to legalism.

• Love without truth leads to liberalism.

How true that is.

2 John 1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
2 John 1:2 For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever.

thats true. But this is not a gospel issue.

As paul said, Do not judge one who eats meat, or one who does not.

This would be that type of issue.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Eph 4:31-32 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Matt 5:21-22 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire

 

[svedbygrace]

The physical nation of Israel was not God's Chosen People, for that is clear from Paul's statement here Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel[the physical nation] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Its quite obvious that God's Chosen and Elect People are different from the physical nation Israel.

 

[Kerry]

The physical nation of Israel was not God's Chosen People, for that is clear from Paul's statement here Rom 11:7

7 What then? Israel[the physical nation] hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

Its quite obvious that God's Chosen and Elect People are different from the physical nation Israel.

But, God promised David that He would have a son to sit on the throne of Israel forever.

 

[Linda70]

I opened this thread hoping that we could have a “civil” discussion about Israel. The other thread, “Support Your Local Jew” was not started by me. The discussion was becoming a bashing of dspensational theology and those who were posting dispensational truth. The entire thread was becoming inundated with Preterism and Replacement theology. There was also the flooding of the text with an abundance of pictures of Chasidic Jews which was bordering on spamming. That’s why I opened this thread. I see the same pattern occurring here. Now I am being accused of opening this thread “with intent of being hostile toward others”. This is a false accusation.

Rather than "pick to pieces" our brothers and sisters in Christ, we need to do everything we can to encourage and edify one another. I include myself in this admonition. We ought to love and pray for one another and consider ourselves lest we be tempted.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

In conclusion, I have no intention of responding to anyone whose “agenda” is to bash dispensational theology, the nation of Israel and the Jewish people.

 

[Kerry]

Who has replaced Israel. Gos said, shall I form a nation in a day. He did that with Israel. Israel is His heart and His people, although most of them are atheist. It is just boiling up to prophecy. Israel is Gods time clock in reference to the bible. The King will return and put His throne in Jerusalem despite the muslims and non believers. Israel is being blessed beyond margin right now, not because of their belief but because of His promise.

 

[Abiding]

Someone else has answered the question correctly. You have a very arrogant attitude and you are very rude....none of which is very christlike. Straighten up and start acting your age.

BTW, the "dearest" is completely uncalled for.

what post is rude? so far you said i was adding to the word...then not rightly dividing then called me unchristlike
name the post that inspired you to say those things...btw you even found fault and accused a post i made and the post only had scripture...s o whats up with you Linda? do you expect to insult for no reason then im sposed to act the way "you" want?