Is it right to send someone to Hell

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BlackShuck

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
 

JimJimmers

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Black, I think you have touched on the reason why we are not to judge other people. Because, exactly as you said, we don't know what the other person has been through, or what factors caused their decisions.

God, however, knows all, and He will be universally fair with us. I am happy in that knowledge.
 
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Richie_2uk

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We dont have the right, But God Does. However hell is in construction, its being created By God. So how can we condemn anyone to a place thats not even there yet? if we can condemn that is? If you condemn a person to hel, thats like judging, were not to judge. Someone asked me once whats the difference between a an unsaved sinner and a Christian believer? Nothing! is the answer, because we are still sinners. the only difference is that we have God, the unsaved hasn't. So who are we to condemn? Let God do that Job, he is a pro, and he does it righteously.

We can advice through Godly love, and witness and share to your brother, friend or who ever, and share what God can do, and what they can do for God and with God. its up to them then to make a choice to believe or not. we cannot do no more than this. We cannot force someone to believe in the truth, they have to experience it for themselves. but as a christian, we can share God's promises, love, care, and share what he did on the cross for us. we don't have the right to condemn anyone.
 

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
The things we do in or lives can have generational effects.
Be careful how you raise your children.

Nobody is damned unfairly.


Exodus 20
[SUP]3[/SUP] Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
[SUP]5[/SUP] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
[SUP]6[/SUP] And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
 

Yahshua

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
No it's not right to condemn someone to hell. Not right at all, because all are already condemned by default. This is what Christ himself says...

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Here's what this is saying; we are all condemned, by default...NOT because of us, or Christ, or even God...but because of one person's act. Think of it like this: a terrorist sets off a dirty bomb in a heavily populated city. Now all the people who are exposed to that radiation are victims of that one man; their cancer within them was not their fault but they're still condemned by it...even if they have children, those children would be effected by the corruption in their parents; passed to them because of that one man's stupid act.

This is bondage. But through one person's love for all, all can be cured of that cancer...all they have to do is receive it. But of course, as with most things, one has a choice to receive it or not.

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Christ quoted Isaiah 63 once; that he came to "set the captives free". This sinful nature is bondage we're in; a bondage that we never asked to be placed on us...but some of us love this bondage; some of us love the darkness, so their (default) condemnation remains. We can't condemn those people, nor is there any need to because they're already condemned. Our best response is to have mercy & pity for these doomed people; not so much because they're condemned but because they're WILLINGLY condemned by their own choice.

The lake of fire is *exclusively* prepared to destroy our enemy who poisoned us and his agents/angels of darkness (Matthew 25:41)...because the world was originally made - without corruption - for the children of light. So the lake of fire is not a place meant for you. But to eradicate the "cancer" forever there must be an incinerator who's fire can not be put out.

The "cancer" must and WILL be destroyed whether it's "cured" away or utterly "burned" away.
 
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reject-tech

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
If you ask the question long enough, reason and love will answer you.
If you stop asking the question, the sins of our fathers will answer you.
Keep asking that beautiful innocent child-like question. It is your virginity. Save it for God, don't give it away to Baal.

"hell" is symbolic and grotesquely mis-taught.
It is here and now, and we have put ourselves and others in it with hunger for power, money, reward, exclusion-ism, and the attempt to put off real-time judgment to a future day and so on.
And God will pull everyone out of it.
Some now, some during the resurrection.

David praised God because He would not allow David to remain in it.
It is the living grave that the whole world is in right now.
And knowing the difference between the real hell and the imaginary future one, between a real current salvation and an imaginary unrecognized future one, is the key to understanding the bible.
"Eternity" ends when you die, or come to life.

"There shall be time no more!"

Psalm 16 is just one copy of the Key of David.
An open door that no man can shut with a corrupted Jesus.
If you believe.
Otherwise, it's shut, and no man can open.
 
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BlackShuck

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@JimJimmers
Surely God couldn't condemn anybody to hell because everybody has reasons for what they do
for example a terrorist sets off a bomb kill and injuring inosent people through his own beliefs how could he be a bad person because he is only doing what he believes in. I cannot think of an example of a person that would deserve them to go to hell even if somebody kills or tortures somebody for the fun of it without any mental or emotional problems why should he be tortured for ever regardless of how bad his sin is. It is in away setting a bad example from god teaching us that a wrong can be solved with another wrong
 
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danschance

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“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:9
Human reasoning, human logic and human understanding is always less than God's. Many people have died never hearing of Jesus Christ. Many people live under the dark spiritual blanket of Islam where they have never really understood the gospel.

I have no clue what yard stick God uses on those people, but I am sure He has one. Our job is to tell others of the good news and the rest is up to God. I believe we will see all kinds of people in Heaven who have never heard the gospel. Even so this is not for any of us to judge, that honor belongs to Jesus Himself.
 
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BlackShuck

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@danschance
That kind of contradicts what is said in the bible according to some of the quotes that I have read. Also why would he punish Islamic people for misinterpreting a book. especial since he gave us free will. Also you say we don't posses gods reasoning,logic and understanding when we are supposedly made in his image.
 
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@danschance
That kind of contradicts what is said in the bible according to some of the quotes that I have read. Also why would he punish Islamic people for misinterpreting a book. especial since he gave us free will. Also you say we don't posses gods reasoning,logic and understanding when we are supposedly made in his image.

Because we are made in Gods' image - we have value, we can use reasoning, logic, and have understanding
Man was originally created perfect, and sinned in the Garden of eden
Thus God Cursed Creation, Man, Woman, and Satan
Sin is a noun and verb - it affects and indwells all men
Sin has to be paid for in Blood - which is life
finite sin against and infinite God that cannot be in the presence of sin deserves eternal punishment
Jesus Christ came and died, and replaced/fulfilled the Mosaic Law - ceremonial etc
John 3:16-21 God gave a way - which is agape love - God gives us not what we want - Jesus Christ, but what we need in order that we might be redeemed
Romans chapter 1 Blackshuck - if you read it - it explains what happens to people
God's revelation to man
conscience
Creation
Scripture

All men/women have the knowledge of God, but they don't want to know - it's not that they don't have enough evidence it's that the don't want to know

sincerity has nothing to do with being right or wrong
 
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leonardronaldo

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@danschance
That kind of contradicts what is said in the bible according to some of the quotes that I have read. Also why would he punish Islamic people for misinterpreting a book. especial since he gave us free will. Also you say we don't posses gods reasoning,logic and understanding when we are supposedly made in his image.
First of all, they didn't misinterpret the quran, lol
Secondly, Jesus loves muslims very much. proof? Millions were drawn by Him to Himself. Even Al-Jazeera reported these news on 2002.
Thirdly, for the thread as a whole. May I suggest about the other question that should have been asked? Is it right to let anybody enter HEAVEN?
Nobody is compatible or precious enough to enter God's Kingdom. If you think there is, please show me one.
lol
 

SweetShelly35

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God does not think like we do, he has a very good reason for everything is does. Perhaps when we get to paradise we will understand His ways, but I don't think this is for us to know now.

Shelly
 
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Sanashankar

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
You are right, it does not make any sense. The family in which we are born into, the time we are born, the life we live everything is planned by God. If he has created us and made us live in this world, he is the one who is accountable. Like the way parents are accountable for their children. And he has given us a solution even before we were born. His son Jesus Christ is the solution. This was declared by God even before the creation of the world.

1Pt 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pt 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

He came to save the entire humanity. The whole world whom God for a purpose sent to the wicked worl to learn life, to have the power to differentiate what is good and bad. How are we to have the knowledge of good and bad , if in the first place we dont experience the good and bad. It was not possible for adam and eve not to sin, it was not possible for saddam and adolf hitler not to sin, that is all part of the plan of God, the almighty God who runs the show.:)

Bible is a very easy book to read if u read it literally, i mean without understanding the exact meaning of the verses, but if we have the spirit of God we will understand the deepest truth that God wants to show his children, and the children will recognize his father, and understand taht he is not a monstor to throw his own creation to the fire and burn for trillions and trillions of years. That is not scriptural.
 
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p_rehbein

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Actually, there are several problems with the ideas presented in the OP.

The main problem is a lack of understanding of the Word of God.

Added to this are the following:

WE, people, do not condemn ANYONE to hell, not our job........and, for that matter, God doesn't either. People have a choice, and choices have rewards or consequences...........so, don't blame God because someone chooses to deny Jesus and to follow Lucifer.

God is a Just God. If people understand what "just" means, then it is only logical/reasonable that those who choose to deny Jesus, disobey God, face the consequences of their choice. How is it "just" if a person lives their life in complete denial of Christ only to be rewarded exactly the same as one who lives their entire life striving to walk Christ - like and in obedience to His Commandments? Is that "just?"

God is a loving God. He has provided a salvation plan that will assure that "all who will" can receive eternal life. The choice is theirs.........

Hell was not created for man...........man chooses hell, so should we not ask WHY?

You appear to have some knowledge of Christianity, and if that is the case, then you are accountable for your choices. So, given that, why blame God for YOUR unbelief?

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life......

God has done His part, the ball is in your court.............don't blame Him if you mess it up.
 
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Man has no say in salvation other than choosing to believe or not.
 

Nick01

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. ...
Thank you for the honest question. A couple of thoughts, take them as you will and feel free to come back at me on them.

At one level, there's a kind of mistaken presumption here. It's not really accurate to say people go to hell for not believing in Jesus. It's a bit like saying a robber goes to jail for not pleading guilty at the beginning of a trial. A failure to do the act that would save you from a sentence cannot truly be blamed for the sentence. The reality is that the criminal committed the act that led to a plea being necessary in the first place

Similarly, no one is at the first instance condemned for not believing in Jesus. In fact, as I believe has been pointed by someone else in this thread already, we already stand condemned, regardless of whether Jesus is in the equation or not.

I guess the second thing is perspective. For instance, we understand that that murder is worse than stealing, and incurs a worse punishment, correct? So there is such a thing as greater and lesser crimes, incurring greater and lesser penalties. What if we then consider a perfect, holy God, who made a beautiful creation, and made people to relate to him and honour him as God. What if his creatures, which he charged to guard his creation, destroyed it? What if his creatures, who he charged to love each other, killed each other? What if his creatures, who he charged to honour and love him, ignored him and made themselves out to be 'gods', masters of their own fate? What would be a reasonable appraisal of that crime (especially given we are the defendants in this circumstance?) What would be the sentence? How do you measure the conflict of perfect and imperfect? A question worth pondering. Even if, for the sake of argument, you thought hell (whatever you think hell means) for eternity was too much punishment, what would you say would be a reasonable reparation, given the circumstances?

Anyway, to the guts of your question, a couple of thoughts. The Bible talks about things like sins of ignorance, it talks about those with knowledge being judged more harshly than those without, and it talks about Gentiles (non-Jews) being able to do the things required of the Law (i.e. the Old Testament Law of ISrael) without actually knowing the Law. It also talks about God being just, treating people as they deserve, without favouritism.

While I can't make a conclusive call, I can confidently say the following.
1) God will not judge anyone on the basis of something they didn't and couldn't know
2) God knows the hearts of man, and he knows EXACTLY what he have thought and done, without omission or addition.
3) God is just and merciful, and exercises his mercy as he will. I have heard amazing stories of people who found out about and followed Jesus in the most impossible circumstances. If you want an example, read about Paul in the New Testament.
4) If we claim rationality and freedom of will as important aspects of humanity, we must ultimately acknowledge that being raised in an atheist home, for instance, cannot be an excuse for not hearing and making some sort of independent judgement on the truth claims of Christianity. My own mother became a Christian in a non Christian household. To not investigate, at the very least, is intensely irrational.
5) As time goes on, there are fewer and fewer people around the world who can claim not to have ever heard of Jesus. Africa is quickly becoming the continent with the largest population of active Christians. China has for years had a growing church even in the face of, until recently, complete and utter opposition by the Chinese government. We in the West have even less of an excuse, with a church on every corner and near ubiquitous access to a free and unhindered internet.
 
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God saves even from the lowest hell. Nothing will keep us from the love of God in Christ!
 
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nathan3

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Is it right to condemn somebody to hell for not believing that Jesus was our savoir even if that someone was raised in an atheist home also don't you think it is rather extreme to burn/torture somebody for all of eternity and I don't think I would be happy with even the worst person ever e.g. Hitler/ Saddam being tortured like that. It does't make sense as you created us, yes you could say you gave us free will to think and do as we please but for example if Adolf Hitler was raised in a Different family/ country or what ever then he most like would not have been so bad and would not have gone to hell.


sorry for such a complicated question its just something that has always confused me
because when we take the time to read what the Bible says, it does not say there is literal burning torture forever. Its quite a bit of study involved because it involves so much scriptures to get a good grasp of what is actual going to happen .

If you hear some one say, well they just go to hell and burn forever, it tells me they have not read yet about what the other scriptures say about it.
 

JimJimmers

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@JimJimmers
Surely God couldn't condemn anybody to hell because everybody has reasons for what they do

If God has a reason for sending people to Hell, then that's all He needs? No, you require more than that. You have a double-standard going here, and it's a beaut. :)
 
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I always thought hell should be like jail locked up for a number of days and then let go.