how can anybody know that the bible/ christianity is true

[T_Laurich]

Most people on this forum will think that I am arrogant and do not believe in God. Actually I am very much open to that possibility the problem that I have is all the crap that surrounds It. By this I do mean the bible and other books and also traditions that we up hold. I mean how do we now that Jesus wasn't just another nutter like all the others at the time that said they were sons of god and prophets of this and that. I like to think that if God is real and almighty then he probably isn't that bothed how we live our lives he may not want to be worshiped maybe he wants all of us to just get on with the very short life that we have on this planet. I also don't think that we need religion to be good I am not religous yet I am not a bad person in my eyes and if God thinks I am then I am glad I don't worship him everyday.

I am sorry but before you indulge in to debates about theology (especially Christianity) you need to brush up on your research...

First off Christianity is not a book about traditions, in fact Christ came to abolish the traditions and multiple times the bible talks horrid upon traditions... (Such as Paul)

You may then ask well if everyone practices Grace how is that not a tradition, Or if everyone practices following Christ how is that not a tradition... I then would retort that everyone practices eating food, and everyone practices sleeping. And those are not traditions either, and if you classify those as traditions you do not understand the meaning of tradition...

Also you need to understand Christinity and not blurt out stupid one liners that all the popular speakers use such as

I also don't think that we need religion to be good I am not religous yet I am not a bad person in my eyes and if God thinks I am then I am glad I don't worship him everyday.

I am going to break this down into multiple parts... First off Christianity is not a religion, the word Christian means a follower of Christ and Christ means our savior, So the word Christianity means a group of people who accept Jesus is God and follow Him... It also talks horrid upon religion again I believe you should read the books written by Paul and stop listening to popular speakers off of YouTube and such because you knowledge is extremely fallible... Because to understand what I just said is a huge study on Christianity and what it stands for in itself...

Second off you are a bad person... let me put it this way, if you brake the law for stealing, and another breaks the law for rapeing a 3 year old child... You might look upon that person and say man I am a good person compared to him... But in the eyes of a judge you have broken the law and you are a criminal... It is the same with God... You are a law breaker... Plain and simple... Just because you did a 'less of a crime' in your eyes does not detour from the fact you did the crime...

Thirdly if you say you are glad you don't worship a God that considers you to be a bad person, I am sorry but you are a arrogant moron infused with pride... You might say how dare a Christian judge someone, and again I would point you to read the scripture...

If you want to continue this discussion I am more than willing But I would like if you brushed up on your theology (especially Christianity) before trying to discuss topics such as the one you are so miserably trying to indulge in...

 

[danschance]

Dan, I'm genuinely interested to see how the bible has got things right in regards to history,
Archeology, prophecies etc. Is there a quick reference I can look up?

I can't think of one book that touches on all those topics. Lee Strobel has written books you might like, such as "Case fro Faith" and "Case for Christ".

Youtube has some interesting lectures by Chuck Misler.

I can't think of one book that touches on these subjects.

 

[Bowman]

If you disagree with me then you have to believe that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe and that the sun orbits our planet otherwise you are contradicting your first comment.

The Holy Bible claims a spherical earth and that the earth rotates upon its axis as it orbits our sun.

To claim otherwise is to misinterpret scripture...

 

[T_Laurich]

The Holy Bible claims a spherical earth and that the earth rotates upon its axis as it orbits our sun.

To claim otherwise is to misinterpret scripture...

Amen, the reason people believed otherwise is because modern scientists told them that the earth was flat, and to say otherwise you were condemning yourself to be ignorant...

And now the same people who claimed it was flat are now saying we are the idiots for believing in them... But we should believe in their new philosophies because they are the intellectuals...

If there is one thing we learn from history; its that we don't learn from history...

 

[Jullianna]

Most people on this forum will think that I am arrogant and do not believe in God. Actually I am very much open to that possibility the problem that I have is all the crap that surrounds It. By this I do mean the bible and other books and also traditions that we up hold. I mean how do we now that Jesus wasn't just another nutter like all the others at the time that said they were sons of god and prophets of this and that. I like to think that if God is real and almighty then he probably isn't that bothed how we live our lives he may not want to be worshiped maybe he wants all of us to just get on with the very short life that we have on this planet. I also don't think that we need religion to be good I am not religous yet I am not a bad person in my eyes and if God thinks I am then I am glad I don't worship him everyday.

On what basis do you decide what is good and what is bad? How do you know one from the other? What or who guides you into this knowledge?

Did you post the contradictions you were talking about in the OP somewhere? I can't find them to address them.

 

[acesneverwin]

The Holy Bible claims a spherical earth and that the earth rotates upon its axis as it orbits our sun.

To claim otherwise is to misinterpret scripture...

Could you post the scripture to back that up please?

 

[danschance]

Dan, I'm genuinely interested to see how the bible has got things right in regards to history,
Archeology, prophecies etc. Is there a quick reference I can look up?

Here is an interesting case of the accuracy of biblical prophecy.

The Phonetician city of Tyre on the Mediterranean was a bustling sea port. It was right next to a large river which easily supplied the city's water needs. God through prophets warned Tyre to shape up or it would be doomed in specific ways.

• Many nations would come against Tyre (Ezek. 26:3)
• The walls of Tyre would be broken down (Ezek. 26:4)
• Dust would be scraped from her, and she would be left like a bare rock (Ezek. 26:4)
• Tyre would be a place for the spreading of nets (Ezek. 26:5)
• Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, would build a siege wall around Tyre (Ezek. 26:8)
• Nebuchadnezzar would plunder the city (Ezek. 26:9-12)
• The stones, timber and soil of Tyre would be cast into the sea (Ezek. 26:12)
• The city would never be rebuilt (Ezek. 26:14)

If you look at the terms of the prophecy above, they seem unrealistic. Why would stones timber and soil be cast into the sea?

King Nebuchadnezzer did take the city but a few hundred years later, Alexander the great finished what had been done earlier.

The inhabitants fled to a nearby fortified island. The water between the land and the island was 20 feet deep with rough seas. As Alexander entered into the city he was furious over how the inhabitants did not surrender to him. He decided to build a mole (strip of land into the sea) between land and the island. He literally tore down the city to build it and he even dug up the foundations of the buildings and cast them literally into the sea. When his mole was complete he laid siege to the island and eventually won. He decided to execute everyone in the fort.

This is just one stunning example of biblical prophecy and how accurate it is. If you want to read a more detailed account here is a link: Destruction Of Tyre by Alexander the Great and Nebuchadnezzar

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this city was never rebuilt on that spot and today is is still used to dry fishermen's nets.

 

[danschance]

Bowman, I agree, you should post the scripture you got that from or it is just an empty claim.

 

[danschance]

Here is an interesting lecture by Chuck Missler that defends the bible. Chuck Missler was a scientist.
[video=youtube;1QdUhNY6DnY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QdUhNY6DnY[/video]

 

[Jullianna]

I am sorry but before you indulge in to debates about theology (especially Christianity) you need to brush up on your research...

First off Christianity is not a book about traditions, in fact Christ came to abolish the traditions and multiple times the bible talks horrid upon traditions... (Such as Paul)

You may then ask well if everyone practices Grace how is that not a tradition, Or if everyone practices following Christ how is that not a tradition... I then would retort that everyone practices eating food, and everyone practices sleeping. And those are not traditions either, and if you classify those as traditions you do not understand the meaning of tradition...

Also you need to understand Christinity and not blurt out stupid one liners that all the popular speakers use such as


I am going to break this down into multiple parts... First off Christianity is not a religion, the word Christian means a follower of Christ and Christ means our savior, So the word Christianity means a group of people who accept Jesus is God and follow Him... It also talks horrid upon religion again I believe you should read the books written by Paul and stop listening to popular speakers off of YouTube and such because you knowledge is extremely fallible... Because to understand what I just said is a huge study on Christianity and what it stands for in itself...

Second off you are a bad person... let me put it this way, if you brake the law for stealing, and another breaks the law for rapeing a 3 year old child... You might look upon that person and say man I am a good person compared to him... But in the eyes of a judge you have broken the law and you are a criminal... It is the same with God... You are a law breaker... Plain and simple... Just because you did a 'less of a crime' in your eyes does not detour from the fact you did the crime...

Thirdly if you say you are glad you don't worship a God that considers you to be a bad person, I am sorry but you are a arrogant moron infused with pride... You might say how dare a Christian judge someone, and again I would point you to read the scripture...

If you want to continue this discussion I am more than willing But I would like if you brushed up on your theology (especially Christianity) before trying to discuss topics such as the one you are so miserably trying to indulge in...

I like what you have to say here. Time after time people come into Christian forums demanding answers, but appear to be unfamiliar with scripture, allegations are made re: "contradictions" in scripture (but none are ever produced), etc.

Demanding proof is the opposite of having faith. Who is man to demand anything of God?

We know God's Word is true because we have met God and He resides in us. How can that ever be explained to the unsaved mind? It's not a mind thing. It's heart thing. It's a salvation thing.

Well said, Sir.

 

[Delija]

Problem about this is when u understand salvation as a process and not as a moment when u say,yes God exist,i have started to believe in Him.

 

[BeanieD]

"Most people on this forum will think that I am arrogant and do not believe in God. Actually I am very much open to that possibility the problem that I have is all the crap that surrounds It. By this I do mean the bible and other books and also traditions that we up hold. I mean how do we now that Jesus wasn't just another nutter like all the others at the time that said they were sons of god and prophets of this and that. I like to think that if God is real and almighty then he probably isn't that bothed how we live our lives he may not want to be worshiped maybe he wants all of us to just get on with the very short life that we have on this planet. I also don't think that we need religion to be good I am not religous yet I am not a bad person in my eyes and if God thinks I am then I am glad I don't worship him everyday."


I can't answer you like others do. I walked away from God when I was young, and tried not to get involved with him. Sometimes God reaches out to us when we are not aware and gives us glimpses of whohe is. I didn't allow myself to acknowledge God until 1993, and it was because He reached out to me first. It was so powerful that I decided to try again. This time I KNOW who God is, that He is real, and that what the word teaches is real. As was said before, the Bible was written over many years by different authors, yet it all comes together. Different authors speak from their own point of reference therefore seemingly contradictive. Just like parents who have children, the older will know the parents one way, and the younger will see a different part of the parents due to time and changing situations but still the same parents.

I pray you will find what you are looking for and there is someone who can help you to understand. God bless

 

[thecreationtutor]

how can anybody know that the bible is true when it was written so long ago with many different versions all contradicted each other. It is also not the only ancient religious book that has been written so why not believe them, surely some one is wrong. How do you know that Buddhism,Islam, Hinduism or maybe one of the Greek gods (Zeus, Apollo Posidian) or maybe a Norse god (viking).

P.S. please no " you need to have faith" or "your wrong because it is/isn't in the bible" answer

Have to look at consistency, prophecy fulfillment, influence etc

The Bible is one message - consistent to what it says - in other posts we have talked about this
Prophecy - 8 prophecies i think it's similar to 1 foot of quarters completely covering texas, and one quarter with a red dot - a blind man picking that quarter
Bible is the number one selling book and hated book in the world
Bible has the most study academic supports - bible studies - commentaries - colleges etc
the Historical accuracy of the Bible is uncanny and unlike any other historical book in the world - especially of that area
Jesus is the only risen Savior - you can find Buddha's grave, Muhammad's grave
All religion is the same in that men try to get God's approval
The Bible's message is God coming to man - God serving and saving man
The Bible talks about no one in a holier than thou look - flawed people - perfect God

The greatest minds in human history have been satisfied with the Bible and Christ over the past 2000 years - we can't even come up with a question that cannot be answered in Scripture

The Bible is like absolutely nothing on this earth
66 books - authored over 1500 years - written by kings, doctors, Shepherds, fisherman, lawyers, and so on.

 

[BlackShuck]

Christianity is like no other.
Christianity promotes the helping and loving of others, even your enemies!
Christ said that the greatest gift we could receive is love.
The fruit of the spirit being, love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness[SUP], [/SUP]gentleness and self-control.

There is no other way. This is the truth. What other belief system promotes all this?

If mankind were to abide by the fruit of the spirit towards one another there would be no conflicts. This is what Christians are taught, to love one another. This truth hits the core of man. We know it is the truth, and I bet deep inside you know it is as well.

It is only a recent thing that you have loved thy neighbour not long ago you were qutie happy burning witchs, killing scientists for there beliefs and nailing people to crosses

 

[Gary]

I am sorry but before you indulge in to debates about theology (especially Christianity) you need to brush up on your research...

First off Christianity is not a book about traditions, in fact Christ came to abolish the traditions and multiple times the bible talks horrid upon traditions... (Such as Paul)

You may then ask well if everyone practices Grace how is that not a tradition, Or if everyone practices following Christ how is that not a tradition... I then would retort that everyone practices eating food, and everyone practices sleeping. And those are not traditions either, and if you classify those as traditions you do not understand the meaning of tradition...

Also you need to understand Christinity and not blurt out stupid one liners that all the popular speakers use such as


I am going to break this down into multiple parts... First off Christianity is not a religion, the word Christian means a follower of Christ and Christ means our savior, So the word Christianity means a group of people who accept Jesus is God and follow Him... It also talks horrid upon religion again I believe you should read the books written by Paul and stop listening to popular speakers off of YouTube and such because you knowledge is extremely fallible... Because to understand what I just said is a huge study on Christianity and what it stands for in itself...

Second off you are a bad person... let me put it this way, if you brake the law for stealing, and another breaks the law for rapeing a 3 year old child... You might look upon that person and say man I am a good person compared to him... But in the eyes of a judge you have broken the law and you are a criminal... It is the same with God... You are a law breaker... Plain and simple... Just because you did a 'less of a crime' in your eyes does not detour from the fact you did the crime...

Thirdly if you say you are glad you don't worship a God that considers you to be a bad person, I am sorry but you are a arrogant moron infused with pride... You might say how dare a Christian judge someone, and again I would point you to read the scripture...

If you want to continue this discussion I am more than willing But I would like if you brushed up on your theology (especially Christianity) before trying to discuss topics such as the one you are so miserably trying to indulge in...

Is calling someone an arrogant moron Christ-like?

 

[danschance]

It is only a recent thing that you have loved thy neighbour not long ago you were qutie happy burning witchs, killing scientists for there beliefs and nailing people to crosses

Which scientists were killed by Christians?
The Romans nailed people to crosses, not Christians.
I wonder, are you pro-abortion?

I find it odd that you would point this out and never mention how many lives have been saved by Christians.
You seem to have some anger going on.

 

[thecreationtutor]

It is only a recent thing that you have loved thy neighbour not long ago you were qutie happy burning witchs, killing scientists for there beliefs and nailing people to crosses

who was burning witches? what does the Bible teach? Lots of people say they are doing God's Will, but they are really only doing their own will and trying to add God's name to it - lots of people do that

 

[BlackShuck]

Amen, the reason people believed otherwise is because modern scientists told them that the earth was flat, and to say otherwise you were condemning yourself to be ignorant...

And now the same people who claimed it was flat are now saying we are the idiots for believing in them... But we should believe in their new philosophies because they are the intellectuals...

If there is one thing we learn from history; its that we don't learn from history...

You have made a very good argument making some really good points but that there has to be 1 of the stupidest things I have ever heard I have know idea what would posses you to think that we don't learn from the past. Everything that you see to day has been built on the past. A good example would be europe where for 2000 years and more have been killing each other, only recently has there been peace across europe thanks to the european union yes it aint perfect but it is a step forward. If everyone had your attitude we would all still be living in a cave dancing round a fire and preying to the magic moon gods.

 

[danschance]

who was burning witches? what does the Bible teach? Lots of people say they are doing God's Will, but they are really only doing their own will and trying to add God's name to it - lots of people do that

I am getting the feeling he is not really open to learning about Christianity. I think he has an axe to grind with Christianity and is simply attacking it. I also think he is not well informed on how to attack Christianity.

 

[T_Laurich]

Is calling someone an arrogant moron Christ-like?

Would you rather me word it in a way that it takes 20 plus words to explain but the same meaning comes across?

arrogant - having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.
moron - a stupid person