The Hebrew Roots Cult - Jim Pruitt

[zone]

Regarding Israel, leave Yahweh's design to Yahweh, we of Messiah have nothing to do with the political Israel of this age, but our Father does.

We do pray "Thy will be done" do we not. I know I do.

Galatians 6
11See what large letters I use as I write to you with my own hand!

12Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh. 14May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through whicha the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation. 16 Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God.

17From now on, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

18The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers and sisters. Amen.

 

[BradC]

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC







Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC



Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC




Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC



you and your buddy HAGEE said they're blind.



eh...intolerable.

If you think for even one moment that I am going to go back and show how you misconstrue what others say, then you are fruitier than I thought. This is a trademark with you that never seems to go away. Keep having your fun but we will not be moved away from the conviction of truth we have in our heart that's from God through the Spirit and the written word. I will say only this, that dispensations were being considered and what was offered during those times to Israel before Christ's first coming and then to the church after Christ was rejected and ascended to his Father. If one does not acknowledge that Israel and the church are two companies of God's elect that continue to this day, then that one will be functioning from a wrong premise and with prejudice themselves against Israel as a nation and a people that God has called. You will never be able to be helped because of that prejudice. Sorry, but there is no other way.

 

[zone]

If you think for even one moment that I am going to go back and show how you misconstrue what others say, then you are fruitier than I thought.

you mean these are not your words?

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC

This is a trademark with you that never seems to go away. .

you were banned and came back to continue this.

Keep having your fun

its not fun - it's nauseating.
but you keep posting heresy.

but we will not be moved away from the conviction of truth we have in our heart that's from God through the Spirit and the written word.

yes, there are many of you.
it's still heresy.

I will say only this, that dispensations were being considered and what was offered during those times to Israel before Christ's first coming and then to the church after Christ was rejected and ascended to his Father.

ya i know that's what you're forced to conclude.

God was considering the possibility of a contingency plan - in case Jesus was rejected as King.

If one does not acknowledge that Israel and the church are two companies of God's elect that continue to this day

why is this permitted?
why are Catholics and others banned after false doctrine is propagated over and over?

this is some heretical funky doctrine that has nothing to do with Christianity.

then that one will be functioning from a wrong premise and with prejudice themselves against Israel as a nation and a people that God has called. You will never be able to be helped because of that prejudice. Sorry, but there is no other way.

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC



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[BradC]

you mean these are not your words?

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC



you were banned and came back to continue this.



its not fun - it's nauseating.
but you keep posting heresy.



yes, there are many of you.
it's still heresy.



ya i know that's what you're forced to conclude.

God was considering the possibility of a contingency plan - in case Jesus was rejected as King.



why is this permitted?
why are Catholics and others banned after false doctrine is propagated over and over?

this is some heretical funky doctrine that has nothing to do with Christianity.




Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC



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You have a terrible prejudice that has infected your thinking and it has become rooted in your interpretation and understanding of scripture in almost every area of doctrine concerning Israel and the church and future events that take place in the plan of God. It has skewed your premise and how you communicate with others about it. You have a vehement hatred for any kind of dispensational truth because you really don't have the right understanding about it and have spurned and demonized all those who have taught the word and given understanding through it. This site has been very gracious to allow you and I and others to say what we want. I think that is pretty gracious and tolerant for them to allow it the way they have with cool down periods. But none of it will change the truth of what is and what will take place concerning the nation of Israel and its people. They are in God's favor and they will be delivered from their blindness when they see Christ and turn from their unbelief. That will be a great victory and all of heaven will rejoice on that day.

 

[zone]

You have a terrible prejudice that has infected your thinking and it has become rooted in your interpretation and understanding of scripture in almost every area of doctrine concerning Israel and the church and future events that take place in the plan of God.

translation: i reject your corruption of the Plan of God.

It has skewed your premise and how you communicate with others about it. You have a vehement hatred for any kind of dispensational truth because you really don't have the right understanding about it and have spurned and demonized all those who have taught the word and given understanding through it.

i deplore the heresies of dispensationalism - its total dishonoring of God.
its absolute blind ignorance of what the Word says.

i hope people come out of it.

This site has been very gracious to allow you and I and others to say what we want.

you were banned, and have come back in under a different user name.

I think that is pretty gracious and tolerant for them to allow it the way they have

smooth words and flatteries - coming from a banned member.

But none of it will change the truth of what is and what will take place concerning the nation of Israel and its people.

you dont know anything about what that is, though.

not a clue.

They are in God's favor

THEY ARE

where does it say that here:

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC


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being an a habitation of God through the Spirit was NEVER PROMISED TO ISRAEL.

a ten year old can read the bible and see that promise went to them first. and they partook.
so you are a liar. like Hagee.

antichrist, denying Jesus was the Messiah.

so what favor do they have from God if not being His house....huh.
tell me all about how the jew will never enter the church.
tell us all.

then morph and tell us how much God and you love Israel.

ive wasted enough time on this today, Red33.

 

[BradC]

translation: i reject your corruption of the Plan of God.



i deplore the heresies of dispensationalism - its total dishonoring of God.
its absolute blind ignorance of what the Word says.

i hope people come out of it.



you were banned, and have come back in under a different user name.



smooth words and flatteries - coming from a banned member.



you dont know anything about what that is, though.

not a clue.



THEY ARE

where does it say that here:

Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.

This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.

This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.

It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.

It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC


...

being an a habitation of God through the Spirit was NEVER PROMISED TO ISRAEL.

a ten year old can read the bible and see that promise went to them first. and they partook.
so you are a liar. like Hagee.

antichrist, denying Jesus was the Messiah.

so what favor do they have from God if not being His house....huh.
tell me all about how the jew will never enter the church.
tell us all.

then morph and tell us how much God and you love Israel.

ive wasted enough time on this today, Red33.

There is just no limit of evil that can come from the tongue, that little member that can boast such great things, blessings and cursings, full of deadly poison and be set on fire of hell. Who can tame such a little member with such leaven.

BradC

 

[Elin]

There is just no limit of evil that can come from the tongue, that little member that can boast such great things, blessings and cursings, full of deadly poison and be set on fire of hell. Who can tame such a little member with such leaven.

BradC

Your truthful responses to questions would go a long way to solving the problem.

 

[Elin]

There are translations that add the word 'now' in the second part of verse 31 which is not in the original, check the manuscripts. It is not wrong for them to add it to help give understanding, but it can not be used to interpret 'now' as being restricted or confined to a certain time frame for a specific people group. The 'now' that you keep pointing out, that has been added, means by application 'then', 'now' and 'later', OR 'past', present' and the 'future' depending upon the time frame that the people of Israel are living.Yes, Israel had the gospel available to them beginning at Pentecost 'now' as well as they do presently 'now' and that availability also pertains to their future 'now' to those who are in unbelief. The availability of the gospel does not change from then, now or later and both Jew and Gentile are in unbelief until they believe. Israel was partially blinded and scattered because of their rejection of the gospel that included Jesus Christ first coming, but have been gathering back as a people (as they are presently doing about 6 million strong). Most of them are gathered in unbelief but they have a land, they are a nation and a people of the earth and their is no denial of that, if I may say so miraculously along with others like CooCaw who pointed that out in his thread. Your application of verse 31 is not correct because your premise is wrong concerning Israel and the church and
your prejudice against Israel and its people being a chosen nation and people who are favored by God.

Then the whole NT is "prejudiced" because your notion of God's favoritism to a particular nation is contrary to the NT, where it is stated numerous times that God is impartial, shows no favoritism, and that both Jew and Gentile are now on the same footing; i.e., for salvation from the wrath of God at Jesus' second coming and judgment of the world, there must be faith in Christ Jesus prior to his second coming.

All the promises to Israel have been fulfilled, in the kingdom of Solomon and in the return from the Babylonian exile.

Everyone in the whole world is not on the same footing until the end of time at the second coming of Christ Jesus to judge all mankind.

The Israel who have believed become part of the remnant and a member of Christ's body and church. However, the ones who have not believed are the Israel who remain now in unbelief partially blinded who need to be saved.

The blindness is not partial, the number is partial.

The blindness is total, of the part of Israel that is blinded.
Only the remnant which has not been judgmentally blinded will, or can be, saved.
The judgmentally blinded will not, and cannot, be saved, for they are under judgment.

The gospel is available to them even now in that state and it will be also be available to them in the future all the way until the second coming of Christ when they shall see with their own eyes, the one who they crucified and pierced because of their identification with Israel and its people.

The NT states that prophecy was fulfilled at Calvary (Jn 19:36-37).
There is no Biblical warrant for another fulfillment.

Likewise, the second coming of Christ will be too late for faith.
He comes at the end of time, not to save, but to judge.

Just as man is destined to die once and then to face judgment,
So Christ comes once to die and once to judge,
at which time the salvation of those who have been waiting for him in faith will be completed
in their resurrected glorified bodies of eternity.

The "Promise" to Abraham was all people would be blessed through him.
That Promise is Christ Jesus.

The "promised Holy Spirit" (Ac 2:38-39) is the promise of the Last Supper (Jn 14:15-18, 20, 26, 16:13-15, 17:26).

 

[Elin]

If you think for even one moment that I am going to go back and show how you misconstrue what others say, then you are fruitier than I thought. This is a trademark with you that never seems to go away. Keep having your fun but we will not be moved away from the conviction of truth we have in our heart that's from God through the Spirit and the written word. I will say only this, that dispensations were being considered and what was offered during those times to Israel before Christ's first coming and then to the church after Christ was rejected and ascended to his Father. If one does not acknowledge that Israel and the church are two companies of God's elect that continue to this day,

N-e-w-no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You have ripped asunder what God has joined.
You are trafficking in human notions so agreeable to your fancy that you think it is the truth of God.

You do not have the cover of the NT word of God, use your subjective standard within yourself to determine God's truth, and have jumped the rails.

Everywhere, the NT declares one people of God, one body of Christ, the Bride of the Lamb, the one olive tree, the one fold of the one shepherd, Jews and Gentiles sharers together in the promise to Abraham through Christ Jesus.

My friend, that is not prejudice, that is the NT word of God, which you do not believe because of your favoritism, which God does not share, for he is everywhere stated to be without favorites and impartial to all.

You have no cover to keep you from the self-deception of your own fancies.

 

[Elin]

You have a terrible prejudice that has infected your thinking and it has become rooted in your interpretation and understanding of scripture in almost every area of doctrine concerning Israel and the church and future events that take place in the plan of God. It has skewed your premise and how you communicate with others about it. You have a vehement hatred for any kind of dispensational truth because you really don't have the right understanding about it and have spurned and demonized all those who have taught the word and given understanding through it. This site has been very gracious to allow you and I and others to say what we want. I think that is pretty gracious and tolerant for them to allow it the way they have with cool down periods. But none of it will change the truth of what is and what will take place concerning the nation of Israel and its people. They are in God's favor and they will be delivered from their blindness when they see Christ and turn from their unbelief. That will be a great victory and all of heaven will rejoice on that day.

You are the one without the cover of the NT word of God to keep you from the contra-NT self-deception of your own fancies.