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".....Then came last Sunday's New York Times, which presented a terrifying report on Diebold, a leading maker of paperless touch-screen voting machines. Eight million of us will be tapping on Diebold computers in the next Presidential election.
So what's wrong with that?
Wrong Thing 1: Wally O'Dell, the company's chief executive, is a Republican fundraiser. He writes letters to wealthy Bush contributors vowing to "deliver" his state's electoral votes to the Bush campaign. He hosts campaign meetings at his house. He's also a member of Bush's "Rangers and Pioneers" club (each member of whom must contribute at least $100,000 to the 2004 re-election campaign).
No matter what your politics, you can't deny that there's a strong whiff of conflict of interest here.
Still, Mr. O'Dell wouldn't and couldn't go so far as to program his voting machines to deliver the next election to Mr. Bush, right? Even Oliver Stone would laugh at that conspiracy theory. But then:
Wrong Thing 2: The code in these machines is so insecure, somebody managed to copy a version of it from Diebold and post it online. Two studies--one by professors at Johns Hopkins and Rice University, one by engineering firm SAIC--found the current code to be sloppily written, with weak cryptography and "no evidence of rigorous software engineering discipline."
Wrong Thing 3: This one boggles the brain: The Diebold systems don't print. There's no paper trail, no "voting receipts." Data is transferred to the election precinct on a memory card in a format that only Diebold can read. If an election is ever in dispute, nobody can compare the digital results against a backup system. As an individual, you'd have no way of confirming that your vote was properly recorded.
(My favorite part of the Times article was the story told by New Jersey Representative Rush D. Holt, who's trying to make electronic voting more transparent: "Someone said to me the other day, 'We've had these electronic voting machines for several years now, and we've never had a problem.' And I said, 'How do you know?'")
Without a paper trail, there's all kinds of opportunity for mischief.....
Maybe Hanging Chads Weren’ - t So Bad After All - NYTimes.com < click for more wrong things. from the (cough) NYT.
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AoK:
does polarizing of the american people (your hotbutton trash issues that never change) help to determine voter decisions?
if there are only two parties, what happens when you vote?
is there a known conspiracy to effect the outcomes of elections?
is there absolute proof of voter fraud?
i don't mean to rain on your GOP hope & change parade, but getting real about the fake democratic system you have (which i don't understand since you're supposed to be a Constitutional Republic) is a good first step.
uh....you're saying Law Enforcement is doing something about PACs and SuperPacs?
Sheldon Adelson Leads Super PAC Mega-Donors To Dominance In 2012
Posted: 10/27/2012 2:18 pm EDT Updated: 11/06/2012 11:23 am EST
Sheldon Adelson Leads Super PAC Mega-Donors To Dominance In 2012
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part of a solution might be: those who run for political office do so on a volunteer basis.
they are tightly monitored concerning lobbying (which would be illegal in my solution) and influence peddaling.
they are pink slipped the first time they turn.
one strike - out.
no campaigning as we know it today.
it's not necessary.
the candidate writes out his or her plan, and the people read it.
he then follows it.
or he's out.
if his plan is not viable, he doesn't get in at all.
So what's wrong with that?
Wrong Thing 1: Wally O'Dell, the company's chief executive, is a Republican fundraiser. He writes letters to wealthy Bush contributors vowing to "deliver" his state's electoral votes to the Bush campaign. He hosts campaign meetings at his house. He's also a member of Bush's "Rangers and Pioneers" club (each member of whom must contribute at least $100,000 to the 2004 re-election campaign).
No matter what your politics, you can't deny that there's a strong whiff of conflict of interest here.
Still, Mr. O'Dell wouldn't and couldn't go so far as to program his voting machines to deliver the next election to Mr. Bush, right? Even Oliver Stone would laugh at that conspiracy theory. But then:
Wrong Thing 2: The code in these machines is so insecure, somebody managed to copy a version of it from Diebold and post it online. Two studies--one by professors at Johns Hopkins and Rice University, one by engineering firm SAIC--found the current code to be sloppily written, with weak cryptography and "no evidence of rigorous software engineering discipline."
Wrong Thing 3: This one boggles the brain: The Diebold systems don't print. There's no paper trail, no "voting receipts." Data is transferred to the election precinct on a memory card in a format that only Diebold can read. If an election is ever in dispute, nobody can compare the digital results against a backup system. As an individual, you'd have no way of confirming that your vote was properly recorded.
(My favorite part of the Times article was the story told by New Jersey Representative Rush D. Holt, who's trying to make electronic voting more transparent: "Someone said to me the other day, 'We've had these electronic voting machines for several years now, and we've never had a problem.' And I said, 'How do you know?'")
Without a paper trail, there's all kinds of opportunity for mischief.....
Maybe Hanging Chads Weren’ - t So Bad After All - NYTimes.com < click for more wrong things. from the (cough) NYT.
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AoK:
does polarizing of the american people (your hotbutton trash issues that never change) help to determine voter decisions?
if there are only two parties, what happens when you vote?
is there a known conspiracy to effect the outcomes of elections?
is there absolute proof of voter fraud?
i don't mean to rain on your GOP hope & change parade, but getting real about the fake democratic system you have (which i don't understand since you're supposed to be a Constitutional Republic) is a good first step.
uh....you're saying Law Enforcement is doing something about PACs and SuperPacs?
Sheldon Adelson Leads Super PAC Mega-Donors To Dominance In 2012
Posted: 10/27/2012 2:18 pm EDT Updated: 11/06/2012 11:23 am EST
Sheldon Adelson Leads Super PAC Mega-Donors To Dominance In 2012
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part of a solution might be: those who run for political office do so on a volunteer basis.
they are tightly monitored concerning lobbying (which would be illegal in my solution) and influence peddaling.
they are pink slipped the first time they turn.
one strike - out.
no campaigning as we know it today.
it's not necessary.
the candidate writes out his or her plan, and the people read it.
he then follows it.
or he's out.
if his plan is not viable, he doesn't get in at all.
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you left out the primary reason for the surveillance system - blackmail.
AoK, the Bible (and experience) tells us that sin hardens the heart.
if you blundered in your past (practically anyone would have), depending on whether the king-makers want you in or out, that info is either used or not used. but they have it.
and if they don't have it, they manufacture it. you know that.
and if they can get you to sin while you're in office, they have you.
this is nothing new, right?
whatever you think of Cynthia McKinney, just read her story.
IF the media is complicit (and is actually part of the shadow govt; or whatever you choose to call it), you have a virtually airtight system.
whatever else kennedy can be accused of, he was right about this.
just take 5 minutes and watch this again.
[video=youtube;RhkjYJAHCjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkjYJAHCjM[/video]
JFK Speech The Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy
he wasn't the only president or leader to say these things.
what would you say to him if you were there at this speech?
would you haul out Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and ridicule JFK as a conspiracy theorist?
because shortly after, you would have been proven wrong.
then again, shortly after, with his bother.
then years later....with his son.
AoK, the Bible (and experience) tells us that sin hardens the heart.
if you blundered in your past (practically anyone would have), depending on whether the king-makers want you in or out, that info is either used or not used. but they have it.
and if they don't have it, they manufacture it. you know that.
and if they can get you to sin while you're in office, they have you.
this is nothing new, right?
whatever you think of Cynthia McKinney, just read her story.
IF the media is complicit (and is actually part of the shadow govt; or whatever you choose to call it), you have a virtually airtight system.
whatever else kennedy can be accused of, he was right about this.
just take 5 minutes and watch this again.
[video=youtube;RhkjYJAHCjM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkjYJAHCjM[/video]
JFK Speech The Monolithic and Ruthless Conspiracy
he wasn't the only president or leader to say these things.
what would you say to him if you were there at this speech?
would you haul out Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and ridicule JFK as a conspiracy theorist?
because shortly after, you would have been proven wrong.
then again, shortly after, with his bother.
then years later....with his son.
Another One Trillion Dollars ($1,000,000,000,000) In Debt
Another One Trillion Dollars ($1,000,000,000,000) In Debt | Dprogram.net
(EconomicCollapseBlog) – Did you know that the U.S. national debt has increased by more than a trillion dollars in just over 12 months? On September 30th, 2012 the U.S. national debt was sitting at $16,066,241,407,385.89. Today, it is up to $17,075,590,107,963.57. These numbers come directly from official U.S. government websites and can easily be verified. For a long time the national debt was stuck at just less than 16.7 trillion dollars because of the debt ceiling fight, but now that the debt ceiling crisis has been delayed for a few months the national debt is soaring once again.
In fact, just one day after the deal in Congress was reached, the U.S. national debt rose by an astounding 328 billion dollars. In the blink of an eye we shattered the 17 trillion dollar mark with no end in sight. We are stealing about $100,000,000 from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day. This goes on 24 hours a day, month after month, year after year without any interruption.
Over the past five years, the U.S. government has been on the greatest debt binge in history. Unfortunately, most Americans don’t realize just how bad things have gotten because the true budget deficit numbers are not reported on the news. The following is where the U.S. national debt has been on September 30th during the five years previous to this one…
09/30/2012: $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011: $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010: $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009: $ 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008: $10,024,724,896,912.49
continued...
Another One Trillion Dollars ($1,000,000,000,000) In Debt | Dprogram.net
(EconomicCollapseBlog) – Did you know that the U.S. national debt has increased by more than a trillion dollars in just over 12 months? On September 30th, 2012 the U.S. national debt was sitting at $16,066,241,407,385.89. Today, it is up to $17,075,590,107,963.57. These numbers come directly from official U.S. government websites and can easily be verified. For a long time the national debt was stuck at just less than 16.7 trillion dollars because of the debt ceiling fight, but now that the debt ceiling crisis has been delayed for a few months the national debt is soaring once again.
In fact, just one day after the deal in Congress was reached, the U.S. national debt rose by an astounding 328 billion dollars. In the blink of an eye we shattered the 17 trillion dollar mark with no end in sight. We are stealing about $100,000,000 from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day. This goes on 24 hours a day, month after month, year after year without any interruption.
Over the past five years, the U.S. government has been on the greatest debt binge in history. Unfortunately, most Americans don’t realize just how bad things have gotten because the true budget deficit numbers are not reported on the news. The following is where the U.S. national debt has been on September 30th during the five years previous to this one…
09/30/2012: $16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011: $14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010: $13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009: $ 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008: $10,024,724,896,912.49
continued...
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I appreciate the attention to detail on the minutia zone but nothing you have ever posted proves a few people and organizations wield totalitarian control over the world's governments and banks and when you've tried, it's been easy to refute.
What you do is ignore the fact that in democracies, people are involved with their government: all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations; etc... One of the features of democracy is being inclusive to all these kinds of people and the organizations they form to push their interests. And the government buys stuff from them. Our government has ALWAYS bought stuff from them since its inception. You can become a seller to our government too, Google it and get started. For these reasons, and many others, democracies (including democratic republics) are volatile by nature and often in need of reform. Ours is currently in need of sweeping reform.
If you want to go on screeding about each tree in the forest in need of reform for the rest of your life never pulling it together into a coherent usable problem/solution white paper then you're nothing more than a complainer. Just another global conspiracy nut complainer that falls apart when asked directly for a comprehensive report outlining exactly what, who, and how.
The elevator doesn't go THAT high. Innuendo, false assertions of guilt, guilt by association, fallaciousness, false assertions of guilt on people because they interacted with a LOT of people some of who were dirty (ignoring the good people they interacted with) in a system of government in need of reform is all it is.
I might show you how it's done since you obviously can't do it yourself. I've got the list of the names and organizations right here. But my chart is based on empirical evidence and facts: not hyperbole and conjecture.
Some goes where you think it does and some doesn't. Yes, there are bad players and organizations. Yes, it is centralized as you believe it to be. But there is heavy turnover and the players are constantly changing and the ones that do not (which I'm not going to name here because it will send you into a twenty post screed as is your habit) aren't as wealthy as you believe. But I digress.
I wonder, how do we turn years and years of zone's global conspiracy screeding on CC into something positive that can help people?
I might know how.. Wait for it.
What you do is ignore the fact that in democracies, people are involved with their government: all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations; etc... One of the features of democracy is being inclusive to all these kinds of people and the organizations they form to push their interests. And the government buys stuff from them. Our government has ALWAYS bought stuff from them since its inception. You can become a seller to our government too, Google it and get started. For these reasons, and many others, democracies (including democratic republics) are volatile by nature and often in need of reform. Ours is currently in need of sweeping reform.
If you want to go on screeding about each tree in the forest in need of reform for the rest of your life never pulling it together into a coherent usable problem/solution white paper then you're nothing more than a complainer. Just another global conspiracy nut complainer that falls apart when asked directly for a comprehensive report outlining exactly what, who, and how.
The elevator doesn't go THAT high. Innuendo, false assertions of guilt, guilt by association, fallaciousness, false assertions of guilt on people because they interacted with a LOT of people some of who were dirty (ignoring the good people they interacted with) in a system of government in need of reform is all it is.
I might show you how it's done since you obviously can't do it yourself. I've got the list of the names and organizations right here. But my chart is based on empirical evidence and facts: not hyperbole and conjecture.
Some goes where you think it does and some doesn't. Yes, there are bad players and organizations. Yes, it is centralized as you believe it to be. But there is heavy turnover and the players are constantly changing and the ones that do not (which I'm not going to name here because it will send you into a twenty post screed as is your habit) aren't as wealthy as you believe. But I digress.
I wonder, how do we turn years and years of zone's global conspiracy screeding on CC into something positive that can help people?
I might know how.
. Wait for it.the US is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.
but you just answered how it became a DEMOCRACY...lol.
now about those think tanks: the organizations they created to push their interests through all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations
did you ever answer why you were defending fascism in the UK
anyways, AoK.
not much more to say at this time.
you have debunked nothing.
who did 911
but you just answered how it became a DEMOCRACY...lol.
now about those think tanks: the organizations they created to push their interests through all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations
did you ever answer why you were defending fascism in the UK
anyways, AoK.
not much more to say at this time.
you have debunked nothing.
who did 911
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What I said exactly zone was "democracies (including democratic republics) are volatile by nature and often in need of reform." I was using the term democracies in the all inclusive sense. You apparently are not aware that the term democracy is often used to describe the feature in various forms of government (e.g. federal republics, constitutional republics, constitutional monarchies, direct democracy, liberal democracy, etc...) in which eligible citizens participate either directly or through elected representatives in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.
The U.S. certainly embodies that feature and therefore while a federal republic is also a democracy in the general sense of the term and why you see the U.S. referred to as a "democracy" so often in both popular and scholarly literature.
Now you're wrong zone. I DID refute YOUR false assertion that the IMF CONTROL'S the world's central banks. It's baloney and I showed it as such.
You, on the other hand, failed to prove your assertion that the IMF controls the world's central banks but also have totally failed to prove global conspiracy as well instead behaving in your usual manner which I've already pointed out to you.
It doesn't make you a bad person zone. I think you're a good person. But it does reveal that you have a compulsive bad habit of looking for dirty birds and bad actors with respect to political and economic corruption and then mixing in a lot of innuendo, fallacious reasoning, etc... while very carefully filtering out everything that doesn't conform to your preconceived notion to get your cake baked.
That's the problem.
The U.S. certainly embodies that feature and therefore while a federal republic is also a democracy in the general sense of the term and why you see the U.S. referred to as a "democracy" so often in both popular and scholarly literature.
Now you're wrong zone. I DID refute YOUR false assertion that the IMF CONTROL'S the world's central banks. It's baloney and I showed it as such.
You, on the other hand, failed to prove your assertion that the IMF controls the world's central banks but also have totally failed to prove global conspiracy as well instead behaving in your usual manner which I've already pointed out to you.
It doesn't make you a bad person zone. I think you're a good person. But it does reveal that you have a compulsive bad habit of looking for dirty birds and bad actors with respect to political and economic corruption and then mixing in a lot of innuendo, fallacious reasoning, etc... while very carefully filtering out everything that doesn't conform to your preconceived notion to get your cake baked.
That's the problem.
the US is supposed to be a Constitutional Republic.
but you just answered how it became a DEMOCRACY...lol.
now about those think tanks: the organizations they created to push their interests through all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations
did you ever answer why you were defending fascism in the UK
anyways, AoK.
not much more to say at this time.
you have debunked nothing.
who did 911
but you just answered how it became a DEMOCRACY...lol.
now about those think tanks: the organizations they created to push their interests through all kinds of people from homosexual atheists to moral religious people; from poor people and the organizations that represent them to wealthy people and their organizations
did you ever answer why you were defending fascism in the UK
anyways, AoK.
not much more to say at this time.
you have debunked nothing.
who did 911
WEDNESDAY, APR 9, 2003 01:33 PM PDT
How neoconservatives conquered Washington — and launched a war
First they converted an ignorant, inexperienced president to their pro-Israel, hawkish worldview. Then 9/11 allowed them to claim Iraq threatened the U.S. The rest is on CNN tonight.
BY MICHAEL LIND
How neoconservatives conquered Washington — and launched a war - Salon.com
http://faculty.rcc.edu/sellick/Lind.pdf < pdf
get back to me on it.
what about those THINK TANKS?
maybe a new thread.
did ya know it's one HUGE tank?
you just call it this or that Institute.
change the name every now and then.
it's really easy to check the Boards, AoK.
same group....thinking...thinking....
How neoconservatives conquered Washington — and launched a war
First they converted an ignorant, inexperienced president to their pro-Israel, hawkish worldview. Then 9/11 allowed them to claim Iraq threatened the U.S. The rest is on CNN tonight.
BY MICHAEL LIND
How neoconservatives conquered Washington — and launched a war - Salon.com
http://faculty.rcc.edu/sellick/Lind.pdf < pdf
get back to me on it.
what about those THINK TANKS?
maybe a new thread.
did ya know it's one HUGE tank?
you just call it this or that Institute.
change the name every now and then.
it's really easy to check the Boards, AoK.
same group....thinking...thinking....
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There's so much screed written in that disjointed style you favor that I am not always able to figure out what you're trying to communicate but a better word than think tank for what we're discussing would be policy institutes though many informal "think tanks" aren't really policy institutes but that's another discussion as they don't agitate for political objectives.
"A policy institute (often termed "think tank" by journalists) is an organization that performs research and advocacy concerning topics such as social policy, political strategy, economics, military, technology, and culture. Most policy institutes are non-profit organizations, which some countries such as the United States and Canada provide with tax exempt status. Other think tanks are funded by governments, advocacy groups, or businesses, or derive revenue from consulting or research work related to their projects." -Wikipedia
Here's a list of many of the largest secular ones in the U.S. List of think tanks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religious "think tanks" are on a different list. A Christian example would be the Family Research Council.
Policy institutes (e.g. think tanks) are most common in nations that incorporate principles of democracy. As a result, Western nations have a great many of them.
Do you have a problem with democracy?
"A policy institute (often termed "think tank" by journalists) is an organization that performs research and advocacy concerning topics such as social policy, political strategy, economics, military, technology, and culture. Most policy institutes are non-profit organizations, which some countries such as the United States and Canada provide with tax exempt status. Other think tanks are funded by governments, advocacy groups, or businesses, or derive revenue from consulting or research work related to their projects." -Wikipedia
Here's a list of many of the largest secular ones in the U.S. List of think tanks in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Religious "think tanks" are on a different list. A Christian example would be the Family Research Council.
Policy institutes (e.g. think tanks) are most common in nations that incorporate principles of democracy. As a result, Western nations have a great many of them.
Do you have a problem with democracy?