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haz

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Why do we see so often a woman being treated as though firstly a “help mate” was a wife made to help out Adam in picking fruit (like a slave that was beneath him) and secondly as a second rate citizen with not as much “rights” as a man? I could list so many areas where this attitude is seen, not just in Christian circles. I remember last year a woman on the news. She was in prison in an Islamic country for being raped. A woman requires 3 men to verify her story for a rape case. In China girls used to be left abandoned by parents at the side of roads as they were not a valued as a boy baby.
Hi twofeet,

Can't help but sense that you are coming across as a feminist.

Consider how you quote examples above from other countries where men are valued above women.
But you neglect to raise the issue of the control, abuse and damage feminism has inflicted on men, family, and society overall, in western countries.

I've heard from various women from countries similar to what you described above, and these women have all stated that in their former country it worse for women and better for men, but in western countries like Australia it's worse for men and better for women. It seems your approach in raising your topic is just as unbalanced/one-sided as the feminists present in their arguments.

My own experience differs greatly from what you have described. I rarely see this abuse of women you raise. No doubt what you describe does happen, but I've seen that it's not to the extent you imply.

And in our feminist damaged society, I have witnessed much more, and even been victim of, the destructiveness of feminism and it's influence (from Christian wives). This greater problem is rarely addressed.

In society and even many churches it's always women's concerns that are presented as the main issue to be dealt with. Government funding is given for women's shelters, services, etc, but men do not receive any such funding or services.
We see public addresses and events to confront the issue of violence against women.
But what about violence against children and husbands?

Women are very adept at psychological and emotional abuse. More so than men.
Hundreds of husbands commit suicide each year in Australia due to the family breakdowns and abuse and manipulation of the estranged wive's. And our government and media keep silent about this and do nothing.

Clearly in feminist dominated western countries like Australia, men are the 2nd class citizen.

Interestingly I found on another Christian forum the consistent stream of topics being raised about how a husband is bad in some way and should the wife dump him. Eventually this constant theme being raised was confronted and these critical feminist Christian women backed off (maybe temporarily).
But it was extremely rare (if ever) that a man would start a topic about how bad his wife was and whether he should dump her.
I suspect that this topic trend on that forum reflected the damaged values in western society that feminism is responsible for.

You would have done better to start this topic in a balanced way without the gender bias.
Feminist type attacks only work with the naive and politically correct progressives/communists.
 
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Oh there is one more MAJOR differance between women and men... Men were called BOYS when they were young, and women were called GIRLS... and if they go to public toilets, they go to different rooms....

Eventhough the husband and wife are in Christ, they still are woman and man.... They are different in appearance, different in applications for God, different in ministry of the Gospel, and different in population. One in Spirit does not mean ONE SET OF RULES... the woman still need to do things differently, and the man will ALWAYS be the HEAD of the two. If the woman is equel, there will be two heads... I see only mosters and dragons in revelation with more than ONE HEAD.... Jesus is my head, I am my wifes... As easy as that... Eve na six-year old will undestand this...
 
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letti

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The man is supposed to rule over his wife yes,but sometimes the man is not doing that, in a way Christ would or could like.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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And in our feminist damaged society, I have witnessed much more, and even been victim of, the destructiveness of feminism and it's influence (from Christian wives). This greater problem is rarely addressed.

In society and even many churches it's always women's concerns that are presented as the main issue to be dealt with. Government funding is given for women's shelters, services, etc, but men do not receive any such funding or services.
We see public addresses and events to confront the issue of violence against women.
But what about violence against children and husbands?
I think everyone is damaged by feminism, albeit some of the damage is indirect.

Incomes of men are lower, due to all the women in the workforce today (simple economics - supply and demand of workforce). This results in lower (real) incomes for entire families. As the family incomes are lower, some wives are forced to go out to work. When these wives have children, their holidays are paid for by taxing those still working (e.g. men whose wives are looking after husband and family by staying home). So the natural families are further taxed, and have smaller real incomes. Those families who have both parents working end up sending their children to childcare, so the children don't get a proper upbringing, and everyone is taxed again to subsidise the childcare. These are just some economic problems caused by feminism.

I have never met a feminist who seemed truly content. They are always looking for ways to prove that they are better than men, or trying to infect otherwise happy women with their own dissatisfaction and rise against the imagined oppression.

Feminism is a debilitating and destructive disease.
 

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The man is supposed to rule over his wife yes,but sometimes the man is not doing that, in a way Christ would or could like.
....and this is speaking from a "spiritual" standpoint, not as a domineering person within the marriage. Jesus said the two shall become one flesh........don't see how that leaves room for dominance........but, now, that may just be me.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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....and this is speaking from a "spiritual" standpoint, not as a domineering person within the marriage. Jesus said the two shall become one flesh........don't see how that leaves room for dominance........but, now, that may just be me.
It's a two way street. The man has the authority and headship over his wife. But he is also responsible for the both of them before God.
 
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letti

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....and this is speaking from a "spiritual" standpoint, not as a domineering person within the marriage. Jesus said the two shall become one flesh........don't see how that leaves room for dominance........but, now, that may just be me.
I't can be in a case of being unequally yoked,or one who abandons faith,while the other does not.
 
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letti

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I was referring to a domineering person,if a man loves Christ truly, then he loves his wife and it shows.
 
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letti

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That applies to husband as well as wife.
 
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God did an amazing thing with making her "cleave to her husband", its like a deep longing that never goes away until God fills it.
Nor does the deep longing in a man to be cleaved to go away until GOD fills it.
 
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I read what you believe, but it's incorrect. The word desire is a desire to control and rule over, the same word used when God warned Cain of his sinful nature, which desired to control Cain (Genesis 4). Hence God's words "Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you". Being ruled over would not be a problem by itself - the problem occurs because of the desire (of the woman) to rule or have authority over the ruler (the man).

I'm not displaying any controlling attitude, nor demanding any rights. I tell things as they are (contrary to Adam's silence, in the garden with Eve). It is your choice to believe me or not, to obey God or not.

Jesus never turned a blind eye to sin. I certainly don't compare to Him. But in this case, all I have stated is the truth.
You are still missing the point here, God spoke to Eve (not Adam) and said " your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you" . As God did not then give Adam a command " from now on you will rule over your wife" we know that this was a warning. A warning that the original command to BOTH of them will now become so twisted with sin, men will want to dominate and rule over women. Secondly the desire for her husband will only bring anguish and trouble, not joy and blessing. As you are not a woman it is IMPOSSIBLE for you understand the depth of this. That very "desire" is what draws her into the arms of God. A God that brings freedom not bondage.

Similarly with the child birth pains. How would a guy even possibly understand how a womans spirit deals with things like this? If I said to you " next week or next month you are going to go through such pain like 20 bones being broken all at the same time and it could even kill you"...how would a guy ever contemplate how a woman deals with that? Preparing herself for what she has to endure just to bring life. And not only that, once she has actually gone through that pain, a pain where she is barely conscious she is quiet happy to do it again for another child!

Remember what "mans" issue is? His focus is more on a woman and what she says rather than on God. And isn't that so true today? How guys will try and apply scripture to a woman's life with NO UNDERSTANDING at all? Guys do not know where to draw the line! They are driven to dominate and rule over her in anyway they possibly can, ignoring boundaries that are in place. "Wives "submit" to your husband gets turned into "Husbands MAKE your wives submit"...its NOTHING TO DO WITH A GUY.

If God had said to Adam " From now on I give you dominion over the woman" then this WHOLE issue would have a completely new meaning....a meaning though that men actually live by most of the time! And the reason they live by it is BECAUSE the original command is so twisted with sin...they are doing EXACTLY what God warned Eve they would do!

Let me put it to you guys another way. If King James was not a man who wanted to dominate and rule, being driven by the very nature of sin God said would happen, and wrote this scripture differently, how many men can honestly say if they stood before God there attitude is right in regards to how they treat women?

" Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church. Wives be gently persuaded by your husband"

Did King James really think people wouldn't notice the sudden jump in attitude in the word he chose to use instead of this? "Husbands, Jesus loved his bride SO much He was willing to give His life for her. He would give up the whole world for, He will love her with an everlasting unconditional love and this is how I want you to love, with my love. And wives, be quiet and do as your told!"....SERIOUSLY??????????

Gods word IS Gods nature, and if there is ever a change in His nature then it is important that people do not be misled and follow blindly feeding ANY kind of sinful nature.

"wives be gently persuaded by your husbands " is JUST as scriptural and fits more into the sentence before it and more inline with Gods nature. This is a RELATIONSHIP with the Lord, to sit in His presence and be led by His Spirit is vital to understand His word. King James was just a man, a man who wanted to control. Does that REALLY mean that EVERY word he translated is going to be 100% correct in HIS understanding? Or did he translate it for HIS OWN purposes?

One thing I do know. EVERY man and woman will stand before God and give account for their life before Him. And I for one would rather walk in the nature of His love rather than a nature of control. God IS Love,and He loves people no where do I read " God is control and He controls people.
 

p_rehbein

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I see I have the opportunity here to "reason" with my brother and friend in Christ......

First, this is based on the idea of "women in ministry." Ok? Ok.

Let me say "from the beginning," I do not believe this issue should ever cause division within the Church, and I will show why I believe such. Let us consider what Jesus did........for I accept His words/actions to be our "example."

My "reasoning" will be based on The Gospel of John, Chapter 4. We usually refer to this as "the woman at the well." Everyone should know the story, so I won't post the entire Chapter here. Those who are unsure, can dig out their Bible and read this account for themselves.

Jesus came to the well of Jacob, and asked a woman there to give Him a drink of water.......

(point one: IF Jesus had not wanted to impart to this woman a very important "teaching," is there anyone who believes that He/God could have not assured that it was a man that was there? Did God not know from the beginning that it would be a woman at the well of Jacob who Jesus spoke to? So, does this not clearly show that it was God's will that it be a woman that Jesus spoke to? Hope we all agree on point one.)

When, in vs. 13, Jesus began to teach of the "well of living water," the woman believed.........BELIEVED......

13) Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 .) But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
15 .) The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

Then Jesus revealed that He knew EXACTLY who/what she was when He spoke of her "husband," or the lack thereof. And this woman confessed to Him the truth of her sinful life.

18) For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
19 .) The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

Then Jesus gives to her a very important teaching:

20) Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 .) Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 .) Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 .) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 .) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 .) The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 .) Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

What greater teachings can there be than these?

Now, the woman (who BELIEVED in Jesus) went into her town, and spoke the Good News! I don't care how people want to excuse away this event, it is Biblical truth that this woman "first brought the Good News" to her town.

And, an interesting thing happened: SOME of the men (and important to note that it was the men of the town who she imparted this Good News to) BELIEVED because of her words.

39) And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

And, just as important, some of the men did not believe because of her words.

40) So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.
41 .) And many more believed because of his own word;
42 .) And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

(point two: Note that Jesus did not condemn those who believed because of the woman's words, AND He did not condemn those who ONLY believed when they herd Him teach. Is there anyone who thinks that Jesus/God did not know some would believe because of the woman's words, and others that would not believe the woman's words, but rather they believed when a man (Jesus) spoke? Surely Jesus/God knew this would be.)

When giving sincere thought to this Chapter of Scripture, I am left to believe that Jesus/God does not make a distinction between male and female when deciding who He will use to "spread the Good News." How can it be any other?

So, in my opinion only I suppose, for those who "believe" the Gospel preached (regardless of who is preaching) THAT'S OK!

As well, for those who "believe" the Gospel preached IF it is preached by a man only, THAT'S OK!

For people to "limit" God by saying that only men can preach the Good News is just as wrong (in my opinion) as saying that ONLY one Translation of the Bible is truly the Word of God. Or any other earthly tradition that people try to limit God with.

People, churches, denominations that want "only men" to be Preachers/Teachers, OK.......Jesus will not condemn you for this belief/practice in my opinion based on the story provided.

People, churches, denominations who make no distinction between male and female when it comes to who Preaches/Teaches, OK..........Jesus will not condemn you for this belief/practice in my opinion based on the story provided.

AND THIS IS WHY I state that this issue should NEVER cause division within the Church, because JESUS did not condemn anyone in this story. Rather many, many NEW BELIEVERS came to Him, and THAT IS what Preaching the Good News is all about........making new disciples from unbelievers.

God bless
 
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Hi twofeet,

Can't help but sense that you are coming across as a feminist.

Consider how you quote examples above from other countries where men are valued above women.
But you neglect to raise the issue of the control, abuse and damage feminism has inflicted on men, family, and society overall, in western countries.

I've heard from various women from countries similar to what you described above, and these women have all stated that in their former country it worse for women and better for men, but in western countries like Australia it's worse for men and better for women. It seems your approach in raising your topic is just as unbalanced/one-sided as the feminists present in their arguments.

My own experience differs greatly from what you have described. I rarely see this abuse of women you raise. No doubt what you describe does happen, but I've seen that it's not to the extent you imply.

And in our feminist damaged society, I have witnessed much more, and even been victim of, the destructiveness of feminism and it's influence (from Christian wives). This greater problem is rarely addressed.

In society and even many churches it's always women's concerns that are presented as the main issue to be dealt with. Government funding is given for women's shelters, services, etc, but men do not receive any such funding or services.
We see public addresses and events to confront the issue of violence against women.
But what about violence against children and husbands?

Women are very adept at psychological and emotional abuse. More so than men.
Hundreds of husbands commit suicide each year in Australia due to the family breakdowns and abuse and manipulation of the estranged wive's. And our government and media keep silent about this and do nothing.

Clearly in feminist dominated western countries like Australia, men are the 2nd class citizen.

Interestingly I found on another Christian forum the consistent stream of topics being raised about how a husband is bad in some way and should the wife dump him. Eventually this constant theme being raised was confronted and these critical feminist Christian women backed off (maybe temporarily).
But it was extremely rare (if ever) that a man would start a topic about how bad his wife was and whether he should dump her.
I suspect that this topic trend on that forum reflected the damaged values in western society that feminism is responsible for.

You would have done better to start this topic in a balanced way without the gender bias.
Feminist type attacks only work with the naive and politically correct progressives/communists.
Thank you for raising this Haz.

I appreciate your input. At this time on my post I am raising one specific issue and I am sorry if that comes across feminist. My heart is for men to become ALL that God created them to be. Warriors, fully reflecting the glory of God, standing firm in their identity in Christ, knowing how to love a woman as Christ loves His church and for women to become ALL that God created them to be, which is very different from what many christian guys want them to be. That is the bit I am addressing here.

Men have been robbed of their identity in many ways. I know I did a study here in the UK regarding the "fatherless" generation a few years ago for work as I spent 17 years working with "problem" teens. The results found were really interesting and would love to chat to you either on another thread ( there is a tendancy for people to get off topic on here) or in an email?
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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Thanks for your post. I agreed with it mostly.

(point two: Note that Jesus did not condemn those who believed because of the woman's words, AND He did not condemn those who ONLY believed when they herd Him teach. Is there anyone who thinks that Jesus/God did not know some would believe because of the woman's words, and others that would not believe the woman's words, but rather they believed when a man (Jesus) spoke? Surely Jesus/God knew this would be.)
I know God is merciful, and He gives us many chances to repent and seek salvation in Him. But, were the only witness of Him in one's life a woman, I still believe this is sufficient for that one to seek salvation through Him. I certainly don't argue against women evangelising (as the woman at the well did). This is our duty and obligation.

People, churches, denominations that want "only men" to be Preachers/Teachers, OK.......Jesus will not condemn you for this belief/practice in my opinion based on the story provided.
I think you are misunderstanding an important distinction. No denomination (that I am aware of) prohibits women from evangelising - this would be unscriptural. However, many denominations and churches prohibit women preaching to and teaching believing men in the congregation - this is scriptural.

The purpose of evangelising is to bring the gospel to the unsaved. The purpose of teaching/preaching in the body of believers is to instruct them in Godly living, and to glorify God.
 
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letti

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hmm,sorry I wasn't fully aware of the entire subject in detail.
 

p_rehbein

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Thanks for your post. I agreed with it mostly.

I know God is merciful, and He gives us many chances to repent and seek salvation in Him. But, were the only witness of Him in one's life a woman, I still believe this is sufficient for that one to seek salvation through Him. I certainly don't argue against women evangelising (as the woman at the well did). This is our duty and obligation.

I think you are misunderstanding an important distinction. No denomination (that I am aware of) prohibits women from evangelising - this would be unscriptural. However, many denominations and churches prohibit women preaching to and teaching believing men in the congregation - this is scriptural.

The purpose of evangelising is to bring the gospel to the unsaved. The purpose of teaching/preaching in the body of believers is to instruct them in Godly living, and to glorify God.
Did you read my comment? Just wondering......because I stated:

First, this is based on the idea of "women in ministry." Ok? Ok.

Do you consider Evangelists to be Preachers? Are they Preaching the Good News? Do Evangelists hold a position of authority within the Church? That is the point of my commentary.

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Evangelist are not preachers just like how Jesus commanded His Disciples to preach the gospel which all God's children do but not all have the gift of preaching nor evangelizing. For example there are teachers in school but not all are really teachers because some have the title teacher but cannot teach .

Not we never heard about some the apostles preaching except Peter and a few .
 
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Ephesians 4
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
[SUP]9 [/SUP](Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

[SUP]10 [/SUP]He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


Note the gifts differ even though all entails preaching the good news
 
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You are still missing the point here, God spoke to Eve (not Adam) and said " your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you" . As God did not then give Adam a command " from now on you will rule over your wife" we know that this was a warning.
You are not understanding the full context, which becomes clearer when reading Timothy.

1 Timothy 2: 11 - 14 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Paul gives us 2 reasons women are not to have authority over men. The first is that Adam was formed first, with Eve his helper. The second is that Eve was deceived, not Adam. In context with Genesis, this shows us that man was naturally designed to be the head of the woman (i.e. before the fall). However, because Eve took the fruit and sinned, her desire is now to usurp the God-given authority of the man (i.e. she is now continuously striving to usurp her husband).

A warning that the original command to BOTH of them will now become so twisted with sin, men will want to dominate and rule over women. Secondly the desire for her husband will only bring anguish and trouble, not joy and blessing. As you are not a woman it is IMPOSSIBLE for you understand the depth of this. That very "desire" is what draws her into the arms of God. A God that brings freedom not bondage.
The text doesn't say this. And as God knows everything, I can quote what He says as absolute truth with confidence.

Similarly with the child birth pains. How would a guy even possibly understand how a womans spirit deals with things like this? If I said to you " next week or next month you are going to go through such pain like 20 bones being broken all at the same time and it could even kill you"...how would a guy ever contemplate how a woman deals with that? Preparing herself for what she has to endure just to bring life. And not only that, once she has actually gone through that pain, a pain where she is barely conscious she is quiet happy to do it again for another child!
I understand that childbirth is very painful for women.

Remember what "mans" issue is? His focus is more on a woman and what she says rather than on God. And isn't that so true today? How guys will try and apply scripture to a woman's life with NO UNDERSTANDING at all? Guys do not know where to draw the line! They are driven to dominate and rule over her in anyway they possibly can, ignoring boundaries that are in place. "Wives "submit" to your husband gets turned into "Husbands MAKE your wives submit"...its NOTHING TO DO WITH A GUY.
Husbands are the head of their household, and therefore responsible for the submission of their wives. If a wife is being unsubmissive, it is the duty of the husband to let her know. It is the duty of the wife to submit to him. It has nothing to do with domination, but rather to do with correction and love. God disciplines those He loves. A loving husband will rebuke his wife, if she is being unsubmissive. Loving brothers or sisters will rebuke a sister is she is being rebellious.

If God had said to Adam " From now on I give you dominion over the woman" then this WHOLE issue would have a completely new meaning....a meaning though that men actually live by most of the time! And the reason they live by it is BECAUSE the original command is so twisted with sin...they are doing EXACTLY what God warned Eve they would do!
Again, you're taking the text out of context. Adam was the head of creation from the beginning. His wife was his helper. When Eve sinned, one of the consequences of her sin was that she would now no longer be content to be her husband's support and ally - she would now desire to rule over him, but he would rule over her as before. We see exactly this in feminism today.

Let me put it to you guys another way. If King James was not a man who wanted to dominate and rule, being driven by the very nature of sin God said would happen, and wrote this scripture differently, how many men can honestly say if they stood before God there attitude is right in regards to how they treat women?
I think you are confusing how men treat women, and the offices and roles appropriate for women. These are separate issues.

" Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church. Wives be gently persuaded by your husband"
We are not to be "gently persuaded" by Christ. He is our Lord - we are to obey Him. In the same way, wives are to submit to their husbands. The language was worded more strongly, probably because of the desire of many women to usurp.

Did King James really think people wouldn't notice the sudden jump in attitude in the word he chose to use instead of this? "Husbands, Jesus loved his bride SO much He was willing to give His life for her. He would give up the whole world for, He will love her with an everlasting unconditional love and this is how I want you to love, with my love. And wives, be quiet and do as your told!"....SERIOUSLY??????????
Are love and commandments incompatible? What does God say?

Gods word IS Gods nature, and if there is ever a change in His nature then it is important that people do not be misled and follow blindly feeding ANY kind of sinful nature.

"wives be gently persuaded by your husbands " is JUST as scriptural and fits more into the sentence before it and more inline with Gods nature. This is a RELATIONSHIP with the Lord, to sit in His presence and be led by His Spirit is vital to understand His word. King James was just a man, a man who wanted to control. Does that REALLY mean that EVERY word he translated is going to be 100% correct in HIS understanding? Or did he translate it for HIS OWN purposes?
King James didn't translate himself. He had a team of translators. Do you think they were all wrong in this case? If you want to argue that a translation is inaccurate, you can, but you haven't showed any evidence to support this assertion yet.

One thing I do know. EVERY man and woman will stand before God and give account for their life before Him. And I for one would rather walk in the nature of His love rather than a nature of control. God IS Love,and He loves people no where do I read " God is control and He controls people.
I don't think anyone is walking in a nature of control. But we should all walk in obedience.
 
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Married_Richenbrachen

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Did you read my comment? Just wondering......because I stated:

First, this is based on the idea of "women in ministry." Ok? Ok.
We are all called to ministry (service). However, some offices in ministry are inappropriate for women.

Do you consider Evangelists to be Preachers? Are they Preaching the Good News? Do Evangelists hold a position of authority within the Church? That is the point of my commentary.

:)
Often when we refer to a preacher, we are referring to the office of an elder (in the capacity of a pastor/teacher). In such a case, it is inappropriate for a woman, as women should not be elders.

If you are referring to a preacher as an evangelist, then we are all called to share the good news of our salvation. In this case, it is not only appropriate for a woman to be a preacher/evangelist, it is her duty. Such an evangelist need have no position of authority within the Church. Certainly, for a woman, she should never be a church elder.