Polygamy

[Drett]

Which fact is twisted? please do tell. I could accuse you for doing the same when claiming Jesus was keen on poligamy. I supposed you are bringing the agenda of Islam, which clearly allows poligamy even practiced by muhammad. So there you go, question motives.

Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

 

[leonardronaldo]

Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

So you are not up for discussion, eh? you don't wanna mention which part you think was wrong.
Well let me ask you a question drett, as you claim to be a muslim, would you do poligamy?

 

[Drett]

So you are not up for discussion, eh? you don't wanna mention which part you think was wrong.
Well let me ask you a question drett, as you claim to be a muslim, would you do poligamy?

Hi L

One wife is enough for me.

Ideally the wife after your first could be done for charity. A single mother that can not find a husband or an elderly lady with no one to look after. Not every country has unemployment benefits.

 

[Kerry]

I wonder since we have so many law keepers here. The law states that if you brother dies and has a wife that you are obligated to provide him an heir by his wife that is now your wife. Or do the law keepers pick and choose.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

So you are not up for discussion, eh? you don't wanna mention which part you think was wrong.
Well let me ask you a question drett, as you claim to be a muslim, would you do poligamy?

Hi Leonard,

Does this thread have any practical value? I know one or two people have actually met someone with more than one wife (or concubine), but I don't think anyone here is married to more than one, or is planning to marry more than one.

So therefore, isn't it a similar exercise to calculating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?

I'm not really saying I'm against it, so long as we don't get angry with each other about it.

And Drett didn't start talking about Islam, you did. I'm not saying I think you are a shill, but some of your posts do seem a bit like baiting. And for an issue that probably isn't going to impact anyone here. Be nice, huh?

 

[Nick01]

Polygamy was not banned by Jesus it was banned by Augustine 400 years after Christ.

If you want someone to actually deal with what you posted, I'll bite.

Jesus talks about one man, one woman. The Pastoral letters (Titus, 1 & 2 Timothy) all stipulate that potential elders must demonstrably only be the husband of one wife, and Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Iraeneus all wrote against the practice of polygamy. All of which happened centuries before Augustine. It's also worth mentioning that Augustine didn't just make up an opinion, but attempted to reason from both Old Testament and New Testament to his position. I invite you to read some of what he wrote - parts of it will be floating around online, but most of the anti-nicene fathers works are in print and pretty easy to get a hold of.

 

[Huckleberry]

If there's anything in the Bible that's not true, this has to be it:
I Kings 4:
[SUP]29[/SUP] And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.[SUP]30[/SUP] And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt.
[SUP]31[/SUP] For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.

What? What is your point? Please explain. Your thinking is all tied up in knots! Get out of the arena and sit among us commoners.

Yeah, that was meant as a joke.
I guess you didn't get it.

 

[LT]

Does this thread have any practical value? I know one or two people have actually met someone with more than one wife (or concubine), but I don't think anyone here is married to more than one, or is planning to marry more than one.

yea, I kinda regret starting this thread. It was purely out of curiosity because of a story I read about a Mormon.
If I had just done a solid search on google I could've found the sources I needed to counter his position.
The way the Bible portrays Lamech as the 1st bigamist is more than enough evidence to show that God disproves of this act. I'm sorry if I offended anyone on the way to this conclusion.
I still disagree with those who call for divorce in the RARE situation of a person coming to Christ with more than one spouse. If a commitment is made, I don't believe it should be broken.

I also want to apologize to leonard: you are right in saying that the example of Christ is the chief end of marriage, because all things are to be for the glory of God.

 

[Kerry]

Dang that Solomon. He slept with a different women erry night, What he had 300 wives and 1,000 concubines. Its good to be king. Or is it, It was his down fall.

 

[LT]

Dang that Solomon. He slept with a different women erry night, What he had 300 wives and 1,000 concubines. Its good to be king. Or is it, It was his down fall.

If I could just manage to keep one girlfriend happy, I would be content. I struggle on that point, so 300-1000 just seems silly to me.

 

[Nick01]

If I could just manage to keep one girlfriend happy, I would be content. I struggle on that point, so 300-1000 just seems silly to me.

I guess the thing with Solomon was that having a bazillion concubines was more about status as a king than relationship. You can't have any kind of meaningful relationship with that many people, let alone women that you're supposed to have committed relationships with. He got caught up in earthly ideas of power, rather than godly wisdom (thus why concubines and horses get brought up around the time he starts to go off the rails).

BTW, don't regret the thread. Enough good stuff in here to make it worthwhile, and I've always thought it's better to let the trash float up so you can either redeem it or laser it. Better out than in, etc.

 

[leonardronaldo]

Hi L

One wife is enough for me.

Ideally the wife after your first could be done for charity. A single mother that can not find a husband or an elderly lady with no one to look after. Not every country has unemployment benefits.

Nice answer drett. So as long there are justifiable reasons to do so, marrying more wives are okay?
Thanks

 

[Huckleberry]

Dang that Solomon. He slept with a different women erry night, What he had 300 wives and 1,000 concubines. Its good to be king. Or is it, It was his down fall.

If I could just manage to keep one girlfriend happy, I would be content. I struggle on that point, so 300-1000 just seems silly to me.

No, it's worse.

I Kings 11:

[SUP]1[/SUP] But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
[SUP]2[/SUP] Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

 

[LT]

No, it's worse.

I Kings 11:

[SUP]1[/SUP] But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;
[SUP]2[/SUP] Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

either he was a man's man, or a pig's pig

 

[StandStrong]

We have to go to God's word to find out how He created the world. God said that when man and woman unite they become one. God made our world so that the physical is a reflection of the spiritual. To become one has both a physical and spiritual meaning. You can't become one with more than one person.

Scripture never once says that God wanted anyone to have more than one wife. When you study the lives of the men who did have many wives, they paid dearly for this sin. The life of David shows, even when David asked for and received forgiveness, he still had to endure the consequences in this life. His son with Bathsheba died, and his relationships with sons he loved was troubled.

His son with Bathsheba died not because he married her but because he murdered her husband so he could

 

[leonardronaldo]

Hi Leonard,

Does this thread have any practical value? I know one or two people have actually met someone with more than one wife (or concubine), but I don't think anyone here is married to more than one, or is planning to marry more than one.

So therefore, isn't it a similar exercise to calculating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin?

I'm not really saying I'm against it, so long as we don't get angry with each other about it.

And Drett didn't start talking about Islam, you did. I'm not saying I think you are a shill, but some of your posts do seem a bit like baiting. And for an issue that probably isn't going to impact anyone here. Be nice, huh?

Well he believes in Islam and would like to discuss what Islam's point of view on this.
This isn't an issue going to impact anyone? yea right, now you speak for everybody.
Be nice, huh? How can I be nice to things that was never God's will? I am always nice to people, but not their deeds or beliefs that is actually evil.

Thanks

 

[leonardronaldo]

yea, I kinda regret starting this thread. It was purely out of curiosity because of a story I read about a Mormon.
If I had just done a solid search on google I could've found the sources I needed to counter his position.
The way the Bible portrays Lamech as the 1st bigamist is more than enough evidence to show that God disproves of this act. I'm sorry if I offended anyone on the way to this conclusion.
I still disagree with those who call for divorce in the RARE situation of a person coming to Christ with more than one spouse. If a commitment is made, I don't believe it should be broken.

I also want to apologize to leonard: you are right in saying that the example of Christ is the chief end of marriage, because all things are to be for the glory of God.

No need to apologize to me, my friend. I am the same sinner as you are, maybe worse God knows. but as long as we grow in Christ and turn to Him always as our example, we can boldly be in a continous relationship with God.

Peace of Christ

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

yea, I kinda regret starting this thread. It was purely out of curiosity because of a story I read about a Mormon.
If I had just done a solid search on google I could've found the sources I needed to counter his position.
The way the Bible portrays Lamech as the 1st bigamist is more than enough evidence to show that God disproves of this act. I'm sorry if I offended anyone on the way to this conclusion.
I still disagree with those who call for divorce in the RARE situation of a person coming to Christ with more than one spouse. If a commitment is made, I don't believe it should be broken.

I also want to apologize to leonard: you are right in saying that the example of Christ is the chief end of marriage, because all things are to be for the glory of God.

I wasn't saying it was bad to start the thread. Sometimes, I enjoy discussing how many angels can dance on a pin!

But we should be careful it doesn't lead to unnecessary conflict.

 

[SirLucan]

I think that what you have said represents the modern sentiment of marriage. Some of the principles date all the way back to well before Jesus' day. But, I don't think that either of those verses have anything to do with a man having 2 legal marriages at once. Divorce is an entirely different and opposing issue. Adultery is sex outside of marriage, whereas polygamy would still be within marriage.
The fact that an elder is to be the husband of but one wife is a pretty good argument. It implies that 1 wife is, at least, wiser than 2 or more, and possibly implies that this is the way God wanted marriage to be.... but that is a stretch, and hard to solidify on a logical basis.

My conscience is convinced that it is sin, but I am still seeking a solid verse for this.

Wow! Here's an honest response. Okay. I appreciate that. Yes I do. You gave it some thought. That's a big part of this. Thank you.
I haven't given out ducats much lately. I'm running low. Fifty ducats.
Thanks

 

[Drett]

Well he believes in Islam and would like to discuss what Islam's point of view on this.
This isn't an issue going to impact anyone? yea right, now you speak for everybody.
Be nice, huh? How can I be nice to things that was never God's will? I am always nice to people, but not their deeds or beliefs that is actually evil.

Thanks

Hi L, At that time I wanted to discuss St Augustine and his decision to ban polygamy but it never seemed to get off the ground. Never mind.