Why are we allowing our government to trample our Christian values?

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October 24, 2013

Soldiers attending a pre-deployment briefing at Fort Hood say they were told that evangelical Christians and members of the Tea Party were a threat to the nation and that any soldier donating to those groups would be subjected to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

A soldier who attended the October 17 briefing told journalist Todd Starnes the counter-intelligence agent in charge of the meeting spent nearly a half hour discussing "how evangelical Christians and groups like the American Family Association were 'tearing the country apart.'"

The soldier said he fears reprisals and asked not to be identified. He said there was a blanket statement that donating to any groups that were considered a threat to the military and government was punishable under military regulations.
Another soldier who attended the briefing alerted the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty. That individual's recollections of the briefing matched the others in attendance.

But this is not the first time an Army briefing has labeled evangelicals as extremists. Last April an Army Reserve briefing classified Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as "religious extremism."

Two weeks ago, several dozen active duty troops at Camp Shelby in Mississippi, were told the American Family Association, a well-respected Christian ministry, should be classified as a domestic hate group because it advocates for traditional family values.

Too many times, military leaders are calling these "isolated" incidents. To the contrary, AFA is seeing a pattern of anti-Christian threats by military trainers.

U.S. Army threatens Christian soldiers with the brig | Liberal Logic 101
 
It's more the problem of the Church being in bed with the world and it's goodies and not speaking out when it should...don't get me started.
 
It's more the problem of the Church being in bed with the world and it's goodies and not speaking out when it should...don't get me started.

Please start! Being ex military, I am very angry at the apathy I have seen for decades. Please start! It's like GOOD MORNING CHILDREN, RISE AND SHINE. YOU are the light of the world.


Matthew 5:14-16 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
 
October 24, 2013

Soldiers attending a pre-deployment briefing at Fort Hood say they were told that evangelical Christians and members of the Tea Party were a threat to the nation and that any soldier donating to those groups would be subjected to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

A soldier who attended the October 17 briefing told journalist Todd Starnes the counter-intelligence agent in charge of the meeting spent nearly a half hour discussing "how evangelical Christians and groups like the American Family Association were 'tearing the country apart.'"

The soldier said he fears reprisals and asked not to be identified. He said there was a blanket statement that donating to any groups that were considered a threat to the military and government was punishable under military regulations.
Another soldier who attended the briefing alerted the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty. That individual's recollections of the briefing matched the others in attendance.

But this is not the first time an Army briefing has labeled evangelicals as extremists. Last April an Army Reserve briefing classified Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as "religious extremism."

Two weeks ago, several dozen active duty troops at Camp Shelby in Mississippi, were told the American Family Association, a well-respected Christian ministry, should be classified as a domestic hate group because it advocates for traditional family values.

Too many times, military leaders are calling these "isolated" incidents. To the contrary, AFA is seeing a pattern of anti-Christian threats by military trainers.

U.S. Army threatens Christian soldiers with the brig | Liberal Logic 101

Well, I don't know. I am not an evangelical Christian. I am a Christian. Are Christians a threat? I hope in some ways and to some degree we are. I can hear the objectors: "No we aren't. We are supposed to love." Right. But even Jesus said He came to bring a sword. Not a literal sword. But His teaching would divide people. Yes, we are a threat, but not a threat as the Army would interpret. We are a threat to false doctrine. We are a threat to hate. We are a threat to racism. We are a threat to pride and arrogance. Hey, if folks think that's a threat to this country, wonder why?
Are we a threat to liberty? No. Are we a threat to freedom? Are we a threat to national security? No. Jesus was not a threat to Pilate or the Romans. Not in the sense they would have perceived Him to be.
Nope, we are not a threat.
 
To me I wonder why this is even looked at as a surprise. Jesus said that the world would the us. It did hate him after all? Do we think we are any better? This to be expected, really. Darkness hates the light.
 
We Christians can only do so much, It's not the fact we let our governments trample on us. these things are to happen whether we try to do anything about it or not. As in the last days as Jesus warned us about. But We can therefore pray that we will survive till the end. Because believe it or not, it will get worse than what it is now. Jesus said: he that endures to the end, will be saved. Matthew 24: 13.
 
Well, I don't know. I am not an evangelical Christian. I am a Christian. Are Christians a threat? I hope in some ways and to some degree we are. I can hear the objectors: "No we aren't. We are supposed to love." Right. But even Jesus said He came to bring a sword. Not a literal sword. But His teaching would divide people. Yes, we are a threat, but not a threat as the Army would interpret. We are a threat to false doctrine. We are a threat to hate. We are a threat to racism. We are a threat to pride and arrogance. Hey, if folks think that's a threat to this country, wonder why?
Are we a threat to liberty? No. Are we a threat to freedom? Are we a threat to national security? No. Jesus was not a threat to Pilate or the Romans. Not in the sense they would have perceived Him to be.
Nope, we are not a threat.

We ought to be a threat to "greasy grace" and interpreting love with warm fuzzies. We ought to stand up and demand righteous judgment according to the Word of God, and stop being apathetic, thinking we are not involved because we are not of this world. We are still here for a very good reason that I don';t need to explain.

1 Kings 8:32 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then hear thou in heaven, and do, and judge thy servants, condemning the wicked, to bring his way upon his head; and justifying the righteous, to give him according to his righteousness.

John 7:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Revelation 19:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
 
We Christians can only do so much, It's not the fact we let our governments trample on us. these things are to happen whether we try to do anything about it or not. As in the last days as Jesus warned us about. But We can therefore pray that we will survive till the end. Because believe it or not, it will get worse than what it is now. Jesus said: he that endures to the end, will be saved. Matthew 24: 13.

We have trampled ourselves with fiction, and now we are weak, and the adversary will, and has taken advantage of that. It will get worse.

Revelation 13:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
 
I honestly believe this is the things that were prophesied about regarding end times. Since God has been removed from discipline, gvt, schools etc, this was bound to happen, and I rejoice that the times are growing closer to the return of our Lord Jesus.
 
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Ephesians 6:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
 
To me I wonder why this is even looked at as a surprise. Jesus said that the world would hate us. It did hate him after all? Do we think we are any better? This to be expected, really. Darkness hates the light.
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We Christians can only do so much, It's not the fact we let our governments trample on us. these things are to happen whether we try to do anything about it or not. As in the last days as Jesus warned us about. But We can therefore pray that we will survive till the end. Because believe it or not, it will get worse than what it is now. Jesus said: he that endures to the end, will be saved. Matthew 24: 13.
Sounds like a quote from the aquiescing church in Nazi Germany 1938.
 
October 24, 2013

Soldiers attending a pre-deployment briefing at Fort Hood say they were told that evangelical Christians and members of the Tea Party were a threat to the nation and that any soldier donating to those groups would be subjected to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

A soldier who attended the October 17 briefing told journalist Todd Starnes the counter-intelligence agent in charge of the meeting spent nearly a half hour discussing "how evangelical Christians and groups like the American Family Association were 'tearing the country apart.'"

The soldier said he fears reprisals and asked not to be identified. He said there was a blanket statement that donating to any groups that were considered a threat to the military and government was punishable under military regulations.
Another soldier who attended the briefing alerted the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty. That individual's recollections of the briefing matched the others in attendance.

But this is not the first time an Army briefing has labeled evangelicals as extremists. Last April an Army Reserve briefing classified Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as "religious extremism."

Two weeks ago, several dozen active duty troops at Camp Shelby in Mississippi, were told the American Family Association, a well-respected Christian ministry, should be classified as a domestic hate group because it advocates for traditional family values.

Too many times, military leaders are calling these "isolated" incidents. To the contrary, AFA is seeing a pattern of anti-Christian threats by military trainers.

U.S. Army threatens Christian soldiers with the brig | Liberal Logic 101
I am far from surprised, People do not believe we are in the end times for nothing. and Jesus clearly said these things would happen.
 
The government is NOT trampling your Christian values. That is nonsense.

NO ONE is telling you what you can or cannot believe.

I was under the impression that this was a liberal site (at least this is the site that came up when I Bing-ed "liberal Christian forums") but not when it is filled with ultra-conservative, anti Obama paranoia.
 
The government is NOT trampling your Christian values. That is nonsense.

NO ONE is telling you what you can or cannot believe.

I was under the impression that this was a liberal site (at least this is the site that came up when I Bing-ed "liberal Christian forums") but not when it is filled with ultra-conservative, anti Obama paranoia.

I think you will be happier elsewhere. Many of us here do our best to adhere to scriptural morals and ethics as God laid them out, first to Israel so she could be an example for the rest of the world, then through Jesus Christ as He taught in the gospels of the New Testament. They are not the least bit like what liberals like Obama promote in America. And since God told us to boldly preach His Word and teach all of His ways, I doubt you will be comfortable here. But you are welcome to stay and learn.
 
I was under the impression that this was a liberal site (at least this is the site that came up when I Bing-ed "liberal Christian forums") but not when it is filled with ultra-conservative, anti Obama paranoia.

Sounds like bing bore false witness. They need to repent.
 
The government is NOT trampling your Christian values. That is nonsense.

NO ONE is telling you what you can or cannot believe.

I was under the impression that this was a liberal site (at least this is the site that came up when I Bing-ed "liberal Christian forums") but not when it is filled with ultra-conservative, anti Obama paranoia.
since when do you believe ultra-liberal search engines LOL. ..just kidding.
 
The government is NOT trampling your Christian values. That is nonsense.

NO ONE is telling you what you can or cannot believe.

I was under the impression that this was a liberal site (at least this is the site that came up when I Bing-ed "liberal Christian forums") but not when it is filled with ultra-conservative, anti Obama paranoia.
Realise it or not, you have just displayed a shill tactic. Care to respond to the original poster's statement?

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
 
We Christians can only do so much, It's not the fact we let our governments trample on us. these things are to happen whether we try to do anything about it or not. As in the last days as Jesus warned us about. But We can therefore pray that we will survive till the end. Because believe it or not, it will get worse than what it is now. Jesus said: he that endures to the end, will be saved. Matthew 24: 13.
Sounds like a quote from the aquiescing church in Nazi Germany 1938.
Didn't the Nazi acquiescing church essentially worship Hitler? I don't think Richie_2uk has expressed any love for tyranny.

And what can we do? I don't think it's appropriate for Christians to use force to achieve their objectives. The only thing I can think of is making people (and especially other Christians) more aware of what has happened, and applying 2 Chronicles 7:14.

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."