Geocentrism

[RickyZ]

If this were the case, balloonists could travel to the other side of the Earth simply by attaining an altitude, and waiting 12 hours. They can't.

With regards the bullet train rails, there are other valid explanation for an alleged Western rail wear than the Earth's rotation.

Because there are other factors involved. Ballonists move with the wind. Wind (and all weather) are created by the unequal heating of the earths surface, as the sun rotates around it. Of course the ball would be under the same influences. Western rails, I'm not sure what other forces there would be but there probably are.

So, where do I go to join the flat-earth society?

 

[Grandpa]

Myself, I'd say the video was fake. I don't trust anything from those space agencies, and I don't think anyone else has permission to get up so high. I hadn't noticed about the stars before - good observation. I watched the Earth for the first bit, then just enjoyed the music.

Zone or someone else might have a more scientific explanation.

If this were the case, balloonists could travel to the other side of the Earth simply by attaining an altitude, and waiting 12 hours. They can't.

With regards the bullet train rails, there are other valid explanation for an alleged Western rail wear than the Earth's rotation.

The stars take 12 months to move around the earth. So for only a 24hr period they would appear to be motionless...

By seeing that the stars weren't moving you could see that the satellite wasn't changing its perspective. It wasn't in a geosynchronous orbit. It was motionless above the earth. If the satellite were rotating, causing the earth to appear still, then the stars would have appeared to move as well.

Kind of cool when you think about it.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Because there are other factors involved. Ballonists move with the wind.

But if the Earth is spinning about its axis, then we should feel the wind rushing past us as the Earth rotates, unless there is a magical force holding the atmosphere to the Earth. If this magical force exists, it follows that the speed of the atmosphere with the Earth would be reduced as we increase in altitude, until it became zero (e.g. "outer space"). This being the case, a balloon would be able to ascend to a height high enough (to where the atmospheric speed is low, or zero), and travel to the opposite side of the globe in 12 hours. As neither of these phenomena are observed, I think it follows that the Earth doesn't spin.

So, where do I go to join the flat-earth society?

Not necessary at this stage in the game. The Earth can be a sphere, and still stationary. But, if you do want to become an extremist...

The Flat Earth Society - Index

A lot of deception and obfuscation on the site, and it's definitely non-Christian (I believe it has CIA shill involvement). Off-topic (slightly), but the thing I find most interesting is the evidence that indicates we can see further than we should be able to, on a globe of given dimensions. (If you ever do figure out how to make sunsets work with flat Earth theory, or get some accurate flat Earth maps of Antarctica, please let me know! )

The stars take 12 months to move around the earth. So for only a 24hr period they would appear to be motionless...

I thought the stars rotated about the Earth every night, which is how people do that star trail photography.

 

[Grandpa]

I thought the stars rotated about the Earth every night, which is how people do that star trail photography.

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I was just remembering looking through a powerful telescope and how much adjustment had to be done if the motor was turned off that compensated for that.

Maybe there is more movement of the stars in one day than I was thinking. 1/365th doesn't seem like a lot but its enough for us to notice.

 

[RickShafer]

Hi Ken
as promised, here's a thread considering a Stationary Earth: a Geocentric Model of the Universe.

i'll say right up front, i am not a scientist by any stretch of the imagination.

but i have considered this model of the universe, following the scholarly debate between the Geocentric and Heliocentric models as best i am able.

i know that both are theories. Helicentrism is no more proven than Geocentrism.

stats say 20+% of Westerners believe in the Geocentric Model; 33% of Russians; and the overwhelming majority of Muslims believe in Geo. this in itself doesn't prove anything other than Geo is not new, nor unknown...in reality, Heliocentrism as a scientific theory is the new kid on the block - sun worship (sun is center of all things) obviously is not new.

what i am wondering is, is there anything which absolutely rules out (makes impossible) a Stationary Earth?

as a Christian man who is skilled in math and science, Ken, does the Geocentric Model actually align more precisely with God's Word than a Heliocentric view does?

(i repeat, i am not qualified to debate anyone on this issue, only to present and consider what is presented by others who are qualified).

love zone.

~

Stationary Earth

Joshua 10:12
Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.

Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

And the problem with geocentrist's is, they take it upon themselves to declare the heavens as they see it. - (Much like the mid-evil popes did.)

Let not your heart be troubled (by the science), go ahead - declare the earth is the center of the universe - (though telescopes and science place it in an outward spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy).
- By all means, go ahead. (Physics be damned).

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Let not your heart be troubled (by the science), go ahead - declare the earth is the center of the universe - (though telescopes and science place it in an outward spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy).
- By all means, go ahead. (Physics be damned).

Amen and amen!

Well, almost. The facts are that its only godless scientists who place the Earth in the outward spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. A lot of Christians listen to these scientists, but they haven't really considered it themselves, either from a scriptural or a scientific basis. A rudimentary understanding of the world around us would always result in the Earth being placed in the center of the universe, or simply under the Heavens. The bible states and implies that the Earth doesn't move - it's the sun and moon that orbit it.

Scientifically, there's no reason to believe the Earth does move, and some evidence to confirm (prove) that it does not.

 

[RickShafer]

Amen and amen!

Well, almost. The facts are that its only godless scientists who place the Earth in the outward spiral arm of the Milky Way Galaxy. A lot of Christians listen to these scientists, but they haven't really considered it themselves, either from a scriptural or a scientific basis. A rudimentary understanding of the world around us would always result in the Earth being placed in the center of the universe, or simply under the Heavens. The bible states and implies that the Earth doesn't move - it's the sun and moon that orbit it.

Scientifically, there's no reason to believe the Earth does move, and some evidence to confirm (prove) that it does not.

Try going out on a clear night and look up at the sky..........;
you will see an 8 to 15 degree wide line of cloudy emission that runs from one horizon toward the pole; or from the pole to the horizon..
- - THIS IS THE SPIRAL ARM OF THE GALAXY EARTH IS CURRENTLY IN.
- - - Perhaps she will change galaxies at some point.
- - - - Keep your tin foil hat on.......

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Try going out on a clear night and look up at the sky..........;
you will see an 8 to 15 degree wide line of cloudy emission that runs from one horizon toward the pole; or from the pole to the horizon..
- - THIS IS THE SPIRAL ARM OF THE GALAXY EARTH IS CURRENTLY IN.

I'm not really sure I follow. How does seeing some stars from the Earth prove that the Earth is in one of these galaxy arms? Couldn't it simply be the Earth is still, and these galaxies orbit around us? Isn't the simplest explanation, and also the most scriptural, that these stars move around the Earth?

- - - Perhaps she will change galaxies at some point.
- - - - Keep your tin foil hat on.......

As I don't believe the Earth is in a galaxy at the moment, it wouldn't be consistent for me to accept the conspiracy theory that Earth might change galaxies at some point.

 

[RickShafer]

The Earth is in a spiral arm of the milky way galaxy.
(That milky stripe across the sky that you see has been there since before men were able to see.)
That's the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy that the earth is part of.
But don't believe your lying eyes........
You can believe what you want.........(sheesh!)

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

The Earth is in a spiral arm of the milky way galaxy.
(That milky stripe across the sky that you see has been there since before men were able to see.)
That's the arm of the Milky Way Galaxy that the earth is part of.
But don't believe your lying eyes........
You can believe what you want.........(sheesh!)

Assuming when I look, that I see this spiral arm of the "Milky Way" galaxy... My eyes tell me that it's either very far away, or very small, or some combination in between. My eyes certainly don't tell me the Earth is part of this galaxy. Why would you think that it is?

 

[RickShafer]

Why go on?
If you are interested, buy a telescope.
- - (Or read)
Reading does wonders,......they even have picture books these days,.....does wonders.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Why go on?

Because your proof of heliocentricity is not a proof.

If you are interested, buy a telescope.

Perhaps one day. If I can escape to somewhere the Heavens are visible (I'm not sure if this is grammatically correct, as the KJV has a singluar "heaven". But to say "somewhere the Heaven is visible" doesn't sound right).

- - (Or read)
Reading does wonders,......they even have picture books these days,.....does wonders.

Do you think that one day I woke up and realised that the Earth is stationary, despite all indoctrination to the contrary?

 

[RickShafer]

Listen, the seasons on earth are not an arbitrary occurrence.
Why do you think they occur?
If the earth is stationary, the sun would have to get farther away from it, and come back closer.
Do you realize how idiotic that proposition is?
Do you even realize what that would mean to the gravitational force of the earth?
DO you realize that just the tilt of the earth as it rotates the sun causes the seasons.
That is a 23 degree tilt, - that's it!
Can you imagine how lifeless the earth would become if it was suddenly nearer and farther from the sun?
Do you realize how soon the earth would turn into a lifeless moon?
I mean, the proposition is too ridiculous to even consider.

I once said in regards to you that the hat makes the man,......now I know it is true.
For sure and for truth,.....you are a tinfoil wearing maniac.

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Listen, the seasons on earth are not an arbitrary occurrence.
Why do you think they occur?

The seasons occur due to the latitude at which the sun is orbiting the Earth.

If the earth is stationary, the sun would have to get farther away from it, and come back closer.

No it wouldn't. The sun orbits the Earth in a spiral motion, from the Tropic of Capricorn (southern Summer) to the Tropic of Cancer (northern Summer).

Do you realize how idiotic that proposition is?

I think it's a fairly well established fact - the only thing in contest is how does it happen (i.e. does the Earth move and spin, or does the sun move).

Do you even realize what that would mean to the gravitational force of the earth?

I don't necessarily think of gravity the same way you might.

DO you realize that just the tilt of the earth as it rotates the sun causes the seasons.

I thought it was the sun's position between the tropic of Capricorn and tropic of Cancer.

That is a 23 degree tilt, - that's it!

It's just a theory.

Can you imagine how lifeless the earth would become if it was suddenly nearer and farther from the sun?

No.

Do you realize how soon the earth would turn into a lifeless moon?

No.

I mean, the proposition is too ridiculous to even consider.

If it's too ridiculous for you to consider, why are you asking me about it?

I once said in regards to you that the hat makes the man,......now I know it is true.
For sure and for truth,.....you are a tinfoil wearing maniac.

Thank you. You're very kind.

 

[RickShafer]

Don't get defensive......
Just realize you are a certified nut......
Why accuse me? Your avatar portrays you as wearing a tin foil hat, and your posts aline with it.
But if you want to continue to question other posters as being certifiably truthful that is fine.

You're not NSA, but you want to be,.......(just a hint) - too obvious - lose the hat. - (and the attitude)

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

Don't get defensive......

Where was I defensive?

Just realize you are a certified nut......

What you think I am, and what I truly am, are not necessarily the same.

Why accuse me?

Accuse you of what?

Your avatar portrays you as wearing a tin foil hat, and your posts aline with it.

Indeed.

But if you want to continue to question other posters as being certifiably truthful that is fine.

Did I question your truthfulness? Or are you bringing up other threads for some reason?

You're not NSA, but you want to be,.......(just a hint) - too obvious - lose the hat. - (and the attitude)

You had me at hello.

 

[RickShafer]

I saw where you laughed another poster to scorn in another thread. (Which isn't cool)

Hey Baron Von Richbenbrachen,....please parse this:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this."

"But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Can you delineate the former speech for me please?
Parse it out, as is your custom.
- (Gee, I wonder if the meaning changes when such things are done????)
For instance: (2+2) x 6=24
- Yet 2 + (2x6) = 14
- - Golly gee, I guess we need to consider whole paragraphs in higher thought hugh???

 

[RickShafer]

As for the sun....notice how it gets lower during winter?
Do you think the sun has a one year revolution around the earth in which it gradually lowers during fall and winter and changes to a much higher orbit in spring and summer?
C'mon!

Larger bodies don't revolve around smaller ones. - That's not how gravity works.

Too stupid to consider, - (Maybe you are NSA)

 

[Married_Richenbrachen]

I saw where you laughed another poster to scorn in another thread. (Which isn't cool)

I am easily amused (small minds and all), although I confess the situation of which you speak has slipped my mind. Was the poster particularly comical?

Hey Baron Von Richbenbrachen,....please parse this:

"Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

"Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this."

"But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

I'm not sure what the Gettysburg Address has got to do with a stationary Earth, although I do appreciate that you called me Baron.

Can you delineate the former speech for me please?

Perhaps you should start a separate thread?

Parse it out, as is your custom.
- (Gee, I wonder if the meaning changes when such things are done????)

The Gettysburg Address is unrelated to this thread.

For instance: (2+2) x 6=24
- Yet 2 + (2x6) = 14

So now you're talking mathematics?

- - Golly gee, I guess we need to consider whole paragraphs in higher thought hugh???

Rick, for saying that I am the one wearing a tin-foil hat, you are mentioning a lot of awfully strange things. And who is Hugh?

 

[RickShafer]

I'm sorry, I made a mistake.
- Do you think the sun revolves around the earth 365 times a year!? - (Actually 365 and 1/4 times)
- - That leap year is troublesome. it would be hard to judge the seasons if the body which gives all the energy to the other body had a leap year, I guess the days would eventually turn into nights.
- - - So a day would be 24 hours the first year, 30 the next, 36 the next, and 42 the next until eventually by the fourth year it would return to the 24 hour cycle......but then we'd gain a day.