If You are a Woman, are You Really Equal?
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Pox......good video, however it DOES NOT address the example I gave, but thanks for it. I'm accustom to people posting comments that do not address a specific point from another persons comment. Now, the young lady is simply stating her opinion, and there are numerous Studies by the Department of Labor, and Human Resources which directly refute her opinion, but she is entitled to her opinion. IF people are truly interested, they can google the subject, and find a plethora of evidence on both sides.........one youtube video hardly constitutes TRUTH, other than the "truth" that one person believes.....
As for the quoted comment: I like the Scripture you paraphrased.........and I wish some of the people here would understand and take it to heart........
But the greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.
Then we wouldn't have those men who stand proudly proclaiming their superiority over women would we? Rather, they would humble themselves and be as "servants" to their wives."
But the greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.
Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
They came to Capernaum; and when He was in the house, He began to question them, “What were you discussing on the way?” But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. Sitting down, He called the twelve and *said to them, “If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”
What HE said!
Whoever then humbles himself as this child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
They came to Capernaum; and when He was in the house, He began to question them, “What were you discussing on the way?” But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest. Sitting down, He called the twelve and *said to them, “If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all.” Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, “Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me.”
What HE said!
Pox......good video, however it DOES NOT address the example I gave, but thanks for it. I'm accustom to people posting comments that do not address a specific point from another persons comment. Now, the young lady is simply stating her opinion, and there are numerous Studies by the Department of Labor, and Human Resources which directly refute her opinion, but she is entitled to her opinion. IF people are truly interested, they can google the subject, and find a plethora of evidence on both sides.........one youtube video hardly constitutes TRUTH, other than the "truth" that one person believes.....
As for the quoted comment: I like the Scripture you paraphrased.........and I wish some of the people here would understand and take it to heart........
But the greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.
Then we wouldn't have those men who stand proudly proclaiming their superiority over women would we? Rather, they would humble themselves and be as "servants" to their wives."
OK, I'm calling "BS" on the stay-at-home mom thing. I have been a working wife, a stay-at-home wife, a stay-at-home mom, a working mom, and a working single mom. Being SAHM is by far the best of the options. Is it easy? Absolutely not! Done correctly (which is actually about evenly distributed) is really demanding. But what other job lets you wear your pjs, take trips to the park, or naps? I'm not saying that these all happen the same day or whenever you feel like it. But you are really only as busy as you want to be. Don't complain about soccer practice, piano lessons, play dates, and mommy-and-me classes, please. You are blessed to even have those options, and you don't have to go if the cost/benefit analysis doesn't pan out. I understand extenuating circumstances so please don't bash me if your situation is exceptional (like my best friend—army wife and SAHM of 5 kids 5-13 with various medical needs while hubby is on 5th deployment); but on average, you have a pretty sweet deal.
I am gone for at least 10, usually 12 hours a day due to commuting and working so my son and I have a place to live and food to eat. Then I still have to do all the things that a SAHM mom has all day to do such as parenting, cleaning, paying bills, organizing, doing home projects, finishing homework with my son, and baking cookies for life group. And I get it done (for the most part) without the help of a spouse. Also, as much as I enjoy where I work, they aren't going to care one bit about me when I leave. SAHM gets to be with the people she loves most in the world.
Anything done right is hard. If I could choose to be anything at all, it would be SAHM mom again.
I am gone for at least 10, usually 12 hours a day due to commuting and working so my son and I have a place to live and food to eat. Then I still have to do all the things that a SAHM mom has all day to do such as parenting, cleaning, paying bills, organizing, doing home projects, finishing homework with my son, and baking cookies for life group. And I get it done (for the most part) without the help of a spouse. Also, as much as I enjoy where I work, they aren't going to care one bit about me when I leave. SAHM gets to be with the people she loves most in the world.
Anything done right is hard. If I could choose to be anything at all, it would be SAHM mom again.
M
Perhaps we have different views of what a stay-at-home mum does. I admit that there could be mums that just sloth in front of the TV all day eating potato chips and getting fat. When I referred to a stay-at-home-mum, I was meaning someone who does the job of wife and mother 24/7 - dinner on the table for when her husband is home from work, caring for and bringing up the children, constant cleaning and upkeep of the house, getting up in the middle of the night when the children are sick etc., for nothing but the gratitude of those she loves.
And I know from what I have seen that this is far more difficult than coming to work, chatting with colleagues, generating a few reports and getting a nice fat paycheck on a regular basis (which is what many of the women I have observed at work do).
I don't believe this is truly so, or else why wouldn't you go back to being a SAHM? Money? SAHMs have to make do with what they get, and it never is very much. This is but one of the many difficulties of the job, and you should consider this before making light of possibly the most important work there is.
And I know from what I have seen that this is far more difficult than coming to work, chatting with colleagues, generating a few reports and getting a nice fat paycheck on a regular basis (which is what many of the women I have observed at work do).
I don't believe this is truly so, or else why wouldn't you go back to being a SAHM? Money? SAHMs have to make do with what they get, and it never is very much. This is but one of the many difficulties of the job, and you should consider this before making light of possibly the most important work there is.
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I should as a woman have equal rights as a man but a woman could be dominated by a jealous man or many jealous woman and men to not get her rights.
A woman may do all the work and bring in the bacon but the man gets the money.
A woman may help a man chanel and be working every day always but be shadowed as if she not work.
A supressed woman may not speak well or articulate herself.
Such as a educated woman i know with dominating husband could barely speak some times so suppressed.
Or a child who spoke several languages at young age and natural after abuse becomes "disabled" on label when so is not true may been covering up molestation and other things.
And some times it is not same but looks same.
some one may spend a 4tune making it look the same while other suffer much and it is lies and fake but many are in on it.
If a woman may like to serve her husband or her male colleagues and friends and family and she may be respectful in that and take pride in serving them but not see herself as less for that but be held high.
Maybe she makes tea and that is very amazing. lol
and even serve it.
and respect different cultures and sometimes a woman can be seen and helf high but it is not seen or displayed that way on contrary.
Some times one can compliment each other and work as team.
Maybe we are not equal to be honest.
Maybe that is good.
Maybe like a puzzle we fit together and flow with that and respect how we are.
Equal in pay, yes i think pretty good with that where im from.
Maybe i receive a pay that men receive because my work was as good.
There is different ways viewing it and different cultures to understand also.
I do not agree w there are some very bad and greedy stay at home mums who marry wealthy men and have as suga daddys and they shop all the time which is mens fault swell.
They are bad parents and very immature yet pretty smart manilpulative and educated. And the woman say happy genitalia happy money for us and happy us and i get to go shopping every day lots clothes which is not good balance and is actually "overdoing it".
Infact I do not think there are many so many good parents or they the good ones are not seen in society perhaps ..lol
maybe they shadowed as well.
They should have appreciation and respect and love from husbands and financial freedom in a mature respectable mannerism.
My Grandmother i had spoke of having a rich husband multimillionaire in business back then what she said but she was always dominated and although she dressed and looked gorgeous she never had her own money to move with.
She became so dependent on him so that she would not be able leave him.
He dressed her with coats and jewels so all friends said "oooooo" and how lucky she is but she did not have money.
he held it.
Tightly.
She got holidays and so forth.
She said she wanted work and he said no.
She should been given allowance to move with.
She had ask for money buy food etc.
There may not always be equality in the sex .
Depends in which aspect and context.
amen bro
A woman may do all the work and bring in the bacon but the man gets the money.
A woman may help a man chanel and be working every day always but be shadowed as if she not work.
A supressed woman may not speak well or articulate herself.
Such as a educated woman i know with dominating husband could barely speak some times so suppressed.
Or a child who spoke several languages at young age and natural after abuse becomes "disabled" on label when so is not true may been covering up molestation and other things.
And some times it is not same but looks same.
some one may spend a 4tune making it look the same while other suffer much and it is lies and fake but many are in on it.
If a woman may like to serve her husband or her male colleagues and friends and family and she may be respectful in that and take pride in serving them but not see herself as less for that but be held high.
Maybe she makes tea and that is very amazing. lol
and even serve it.
and respect different cultures and sometimes a woman can be seen and helf high but it is not seen or displayed that way on contrary.
Some times one can compliment each other and work as team.
Maybe we are not equal to be honest.
Maybe that is good.
Maybe like a puzzle we fit together and flow with that and respect how we are.
Equal in pay, yes i think pretty good with that where im from.
Maybe i receive a pay that men receive because my work was as good.
There is different ways viewing it and different cultures to understand also.
I do not agree w there are some very bad and greedy stay at home mums who marry wealthy men and have as suga daddys and they shop all the time which is mens fault swell.
They are bad parents and very immature yet pretty smart manilpulative and educated. And the woman say happy genitalia happy money for us and happy us and i get to go shopping every day lots clothes which is not good balance and is actually "overdoing it".
Infact I do not think there are many so many good parents or they the good ones are not seen in society perhaps ..lol
maybe they shadowed as well.
They should have appreciation and respect and love from husbands and financial freedom in a mature respectable mannerism.
My Grandmother i had spoke of having a rich husband multimillionaire in business back then what she said but she was always dominated and although she dressed and looked gorgeous she never had her own money to move with.
She became so dependent on him so that she would not be able leave him.
He dressed her with coats and jewels so all friends said "oooooo" and how lucky she is but she did not have money.
he held it.
Tightly.
She got holidays and so forth.
She said she wanted work and he said no.
She should been given allowance to move with.
She had ask for money buy food etc.
There may not always be equality in the sex .
Depends in which aspect and context.
amen bro
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The again .....
how many dominated husbands i have seen.....
and dominated men and dominated in a bad destructive manner also.
Many woman dominate men in bad ways.
I love way i dominate men.
(when i am not a meatloaf human that is) lol
it is so nice, understaning and groovy somehow.
It may not be equal always.
Disrespect some one because they are a woman and maybe they are softspoken and then a group people may try silence them or her.
how many dominated husbands i have seen.....
and dominated men and dominated in a bad destructive manner also.
Many woman dominate men in bad ways.
I love way i dominate men.
(when i am not a meatloaf human that is) lol
it is so nice, understaning and groovy somehow.
It may not be equal always.
Disrespect some one because they are a woman and maybe they are softspoken and then a group people may try silence them or her.
I already mentioned that I was a SAHM. It was from the my second trimester until my son started kindergarten so I know what it is like. My house was spotless. I prepared all meals, including packed lunches for my son's dad. He didn't think that he had to lift a finger at home so everything was taken care of by me: the 3 dogs, the garage, the yard, the 4-bedroom house, the bills, the cars, our son, and everything else. So I KNOW what I am talking about. As a single working mom, I now have to be both parents to my son, earn the money, and take care of everything. Single working mom is WAY harder and lonelier than SAHM.
I no longer have that option because my ex-husband left, and I get no alimony and a little bit of child support. I did not get an attorney because I was still so messed up from his abuse. If I am blessed to be married again, then I would love to stay at home and raise more children. But I know a lot of people who simply do not have that option for many reasons.
Don't call me a liar again.
I no longer have that option because my ex-husband left, and I get no alimony and a little bit of child support. I did not get an attorney because I was still so messed up from his abuse. If I am blessed to be married again, then I would love to stay at home and raise more children. But I know a lot of people who simply do not have that option for many reasons.
Don't call me a liar again.
I agree with being equal in Christ. I don't believe, however, that women should strive to be like men. We are not men. We never will be men. And that is good.
So, there are Biblical standards for manhood and womanhood, standards that are only oppressive when abuse is involved, but when it is truly followed in a godly way, then it is freeing and beautiful and yes, equal. One of the greatest lies of the enemy, causing dissention and damage, is that women can be men and men could be women.
We are equal in the sight of God in the realm of salvation and worth and value, but in terms of roles and destiny and calls, He has purposed specific things, and we, as His children, would do well to listen, know and obey without complaint or malice.
So, there are Biblical standards for manhood and womanhood, standards that are only oppressive when abuse is involved, but when it is truly followed in a godly way, then it is freeing and beautiful and yes, equal. One of the greatest lies of the enemy, causing dissention and damage, is that women can be men and men could be women.
We are equal in the sight of God in the realm of salvation and worth and value, but in terms of roles and destiny and calls, He has purposed specific things, and we, as His children, would do well to listen, know and obey without complaint or malice.
I don't think feeling has a thing to do with it, or even our opinions. It is a matter of how God created us. God created us equal, but different.
My husband and I worked as a team with equal places, but different. I supported him. When he became disabled so he could do little physically, but could still cook for me, I made the living and he did the cooking and all the housework he could manage. Because our jobs were different, we still worked as a team in the same way in our marriage. Nothing important changed.
My husband and I worked as a team with equal places, but different. I supported him. When he became disabled so he could do little physically, but could still cook for me, I made the living and he did the cooking and all the housework he could manage. Because our jobs were different, we still worked as a team in the same way in our marriage. Nothing important changed.
M
Being unmarried would certainly make either situation more difficult. But, you at least imply that being a SAHM is impossible (?) in your current situation, while being a working mum is very difficult, but possible. Last I checked, impossible is harder than difficult, even if impossible is preferred.
Don't take offense at every post I make. I never called you a liar, nor did I imply it. I think if people assessed work on a non-emotional level, most would agree that a SAHM is one of the hardest jobs of all.
Don't take offense at every post I make. I never called you a liar, nor did I imply it. I think if people assessed work on a non-emotional level, most would agree that a SAHM is one of the hardest jobs of all.
J
May I join in? I want to comment on equality in marriage for myself.
Note: I speak for me. I have been married 50 years. I am from the
generation where the husband is the head of the house. I have been
a wife, mother, and grandmother. I tried the working out of home
and my husband accused me of becoming too independent. I argued,
"no I was not." I can see where he was coming from, and actually I
do think it is a matter of control. Long story short, because of issues
with my then 13 yr old daughter starting Junior High, I really needed
to be home. I had 2 other children to raise and my husband wanted a
wife who was there when he came home. Meals on the table, etc. It
took a lot to get permission to go to Bible Studies at night. But, eventually
he relented and let me attend. Next, it was getting permission to go
away with the ladies from Church to go to Christian conference. I was
terrified to ask if I could go. Now we are talking about the 70's. As time
went on and he got saved he began to let up on the controlling issue. He
had a right because he was head of the home. He was my husband and
I had to be sure he was happy.
Enter empty nest. I went through several years of having to care for our
home due to work that took him away every week, (home on week ends)
and this went on 17 years. I began to learn independence. I had to. Things
needed to be done while he was gone. Then we worked together on the
week ends. Never did the thought of equality enter my mind. I just lived
as husband and wife. However, he did come home for good and took over
and I had difficult time adapting to the change. Now today ? I do speak up
for myself. But, I do consider him the head over me. Now if he were to
demand I give up my computer, ummm, that is for another thread.
God bless all the women who are working and trying to care for home,
and children. My heart always goes out to the mothers I see drop off their
child at Day Care and know she has to go to work, only to stop and pick
them up at end of day, go home, cook, do laundry, etc. I don't know how
you do it. I pray God gives each mother or father the grace to get through
raising their families, in God fearing homes. Remember all....God will see
you through, and He holds all the answers to your problems. Love to you.
Note: I speak for me. I have been married 50 years. I am from the
generation where the husband is the head of the house. I have been
a wife, mother, and grandmother. I tried the working out of home
and my husband accused me of becoming too independent. I argued,
"no I was not." I can see where he was coming from, and actually I
do think it is a matter of control. Long story short, because of issues
with my then 13 yr old daughter starting Junior High, I really needed
to be home. I had 2 other children to raise and my husband wanted a
wife who was there when he came home. Meals on the table, etc. It
took a lot to get permission to go to Bible Studies at night. But, eventually
he relented and let me attend. Next, it was getting permission to go
away with the ladies from Church to go to Christian conference. I was
terrified to ask if I could go. Now we are talking about the 70's. As time
went on and he got saved he began to let up on the controlling issue. He
had a right because he was head of the home. He was my husband and
I had to be sure he was happy.
Enter empty nest. I went through several years of having to care for our
home due to work that took him away every week, (home on week ends)
and this went on 17 years. I began to learn independence. I had to. Things
needed to be done while he was gone. Then we worked together on the
week ends. Never did the thought of equality enter my mind. I just lived
as husband and wife. However, he did come home for good and took over
and I had difficult time adapting to the change. Now today ? I do speak up
for myself. But, I do consider him the head over me. Now if he were to
demand I give up my computer, ummm, that is for another thread.
God bless all the women who are working and trying to care for home,
and children. My heart always goes out to the mothers I see drop off their
child at Day Care and know she has to go to work, only to stop and pick
them up at end of day, go home, cook, do laundry, etc. I don't know how
you do it. I pray God gives each mother or father the grace to get through
raising their families, in God fearing homes. Remember all....God will see
you through, and He holds all the answers to your problems. Love to you.
Yes He does.........."He has purposed specific things, and we, as His children, would do well to listen, know and obey without complaint or malice."
And He is the Author of His purpose/calling for His children is He not? I believe He is. And, I believe all who are "called" should strive to be "obedient" to that calling, even it if means receiving the belittling of man.
God bless you Sister.......... )
And He is the Author of His purpose/calling for His children is He not? I believe He is. And, I believe all who are "called" should strive to be "obedient" to that calling, even it if means receiving the belittling of man.
God bless you Sister.......... )
God bless you Misty, and don't fret over such as that one who demeans you........he and his ilk are not worthy of fellowship in my opinion, AND that is what the "IGNORE" option is for. Amazing how wonderful it is to read the various threads here when one doesn't have to struggle through all the demeaning/back biting commentary by just a few here.
I will keep you in my prayers, and I know God will bless you and give you the strength and way to overcome the obstacles you face each day.
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I will keep you in my prayers, and I know God will bless you and give you the strength and way to overcome the obstacles you face each day.