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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, These questions can be answered easily enough.

Again the question that is rarely answered is it truly from the Lord or not? And if it is truly from the Lord why does so much error come out of that movement?

Why was there such error in the NT churches? Read the Book! 1 & 2 Corinthians was full of Paul's writings about the errors in that church. Nearly all of Paul's epistles had correction for the errors that were in them. And what about Rev. 2 & 3? How many of those churches had errors in them?

Why is it that if the gifts did continue why so much a lack of discernment? How is it that the Benny Hinns,Perry Stone et al are in the Charismatic movement? And why is this rarely dealt with?
1. We're in the last days. It amazes me that nearly no one can put 2 & 2 together.
1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
2 Timothy 3:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2 Peter 2:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Generational spiritual decline is biblical. The church at Corinth was full of error within its 1st generation.

2. How do you throw somebody out of a movement? Denominations, yes, but movements? They're mostly independents.

Why is it that they are most often backed by those within the Charismatic movement?
"Famous" preachers are backed by most denominations. They believe it's good PR, makes them look good. I think it's carnal & stinks.
 
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Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, These questions can be answered easily enough.


Why was there such error in the NT churches? Read the Book! 1 & 2 Corinthians was full of Paul's writings about the errors in that church. Nearly all of Paul's epistles had correction for the errors that were in them. And what about Rev. 2 & 3? How many of those churches had errors in them?


1. We're in the last days. It amazes me that nearly no one can put 2 & 2 together.
1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV) [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
2 Timothy 3:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2 Peter 2:20 (KJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP]For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
Generational spiritual decline is biblical. The church at Corinth was full of error within its 1st generation.

2. How do you throw somebody out of a movement? Denominations, yes, but movements? They're mostly independents.


"Famous" preachers are backed by most denominations. They believe it's good PR, makes them look good. I think it's carnal & stinks.
Big difference between the two, One started in error. The church at Corinth was started on truth,error crept into the church,not the other way around.

Go back and read the history of this stuff Stephen,read about Dowie and Simpson,and how they are tied to Parham and Seymour. Go and read where the tongues came from. Parham heard them in a CULT. Simpson was a cult leader who claimed to be the prophet Elijah. (Along with Dowie) It was in error from the very beginning.
 
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See, even now you're making play on my words....... either that, or you can't understand anything. Which is it?
now you're prophesying?
Nope. Some see the signs of the times.

and....like....the animonisty toward the unbiblical pentecostal and charismatic movements is the falling away?
did i read that right?
Nope. Nothing unbiblical about the original movements. That's only the opinions of the websites you parrot...... you know, those "validated" ones. :p

or they are the falling away from "the original movement of the early 1900's"?

LOLOL!
Imagine that.....only your joke is correct.

Paul prophesied of the Pentecostal Movement?
doubt....it:rolleyes:
Nope. I only showed that Bible history continually repeats itself. That's biblical.
 

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Nope. Nothing unbiblical about the original movements. That's only the opinions of the websites you parrot...... you know, those "validated" ones.
okay stevester.
i have some things to do today.
but i'd love too come back and discuss the original movement(s).
i'll start a new thread. we could define what the original movement(s) were, and dispense with all the other stuff.

then we can examine the original movement(s).
there's no reason we can't approach the topic objectively and with civility.
now that we know it's narrowed down substantially, and we can stay on topic.
facts...just da facts:)

k. bye
see you later!:)
 
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Again the question that is rarely answered is it truly from the Lord or not? And if it is truly from the Lord why does so much error come out of that movement? Why is it that if the gifts did continue why so much a lack of discernment? How is it that the Benny Hinns,Perry Stone et al are in the Charismatic movement? And why is this rarely dealt with? Why is it that they are most often backed by those within the Charismatic movement?

And I do have running around to do today.
Perry Stone is not in a "movement", he is actually a denominational man of God, he has always been and continues to be affiliated with the Church of God Denomination and yes it is a pentecostal denomination, but hardly part of what you call the Charismatic movement. In fact, Most that are in opposition to Bro. Smith, on this thread confuse Pentecostalism for the Charismatic movement. The Charismatic movement is closer aligned to the outbreak of Charismatic activities in the Catholic church in the late 60's, 70's and then waning again in the mid 80's.


 

zone

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Perry Stone is not in a "movement", he is actually a denominational man of God, he has always been and continues to be affiliated with the Church of God Denomination and yes it is a pentecostal denomination, but hardly part of what you call the Charismatic movement. In fact, Most that are in opposition to Bro. Smith, on this thread confuse Pentecostalism for the Charismatic movement. The Charismatic movement is closer aligned to the outbreak of Charismatic activities in the Catholic church in the late 60's, 70's and then waning again in the mid 80's.
Perry Stone is a money-grubbing fake.
 
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Romans 8 talks about setting our mind on the things of the spirit as opposed to the things of the flesh. In that sense, praying in the spirit communicates with God and "praying in the flesh" is an oxymoron - impossible.
I think that you can pray in the flesh, but that you should pray in the Spirit.
But I could be wrong. Seems like it mentions praying "in the spirit" and so I am assuming
that there must be prayer that is NOT "in the Spirit" (?)


But we can pray on earth in the Spirit. The Kingdom of Heaven is here on the earth. Spiritual beings live on earth. Unseen spiritual things happen here on earth. I do not have the full contact of Smith Wigglesworth's quote, but his heaven/earth dichotomy seems not to be accurate.
Aren't we, "seated in the heavenlies" with Christ Jesus?
I'm not real familiar with him either.
 

zone

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What evidence do you have with that accusation?....you don't even know the man.
as for fake: endorsing necromancy (speaking to the dead); and endorsing this ludicrous tale of his father's that he went to Heaven's Library and saw all the sermons and words of Jesus that are not recorded in the Bible.




Perry and Fred Stone on Manna-fest, "Supernatural Encounters in the Last Days"

Perry Stone:
What happened when you were called to preach, now? I want to go to that.

Fred Stone:
When I was there, this little cabin, Perry, that me and my dad had built. Dad had helped me in West Virginia, up in a lease area, out in Creek Cold company. And I was up there praying and seeking the face of God. And Al Collins, while I was praying, I heard footsteps; it was in the fall and there was leaves about four, five, six inches high. And I heard two or three steps behind the cabin—I'm sitting just like I am now. And I turned and looked around and bent my head like this, and before I could see anybody, a hand reached through—the right hand of a man—reached through the side of the cabin and touched me on the head. I thought it was an angel of the Lord; but actually, the spirit man of Al Collins had touched me, you know what I mean? And spoke to me about what God wanted me to know, and that the Lord wanted me to know this and that and the other. And, of course, I was so overcome by the Spirit that it probably took me an hour after this experience for it to just kind of wear off.

You know, Perry, supernatural experiences with God usually stay with people forever. They stay with you all your life. Now, they're not as fresh, and they're not as great upon your spirit man as they were for the first two or three years or something; but they'll be there forever.

Perry Stone:
I remember when you told me—I mean, I've heard you tell that, actually, for years about how that you actually, when that hand touched you, you collapsed and thought you had a heart attack and came out of your body. Paul talked about in 2 Corinthians 12, "...whether in the body or out of the body, I cannot tell, God knows, such a one was caught up into the third heaven..." And so, there are experiences where it's either a vision, or it actually is happening. And you went out, like, being sucked out into the universe somewhere, where you ended up, where it was a beautiful sapphire blue, and you described what happened there. You said that you saw a ball of light that looked like the size of a silver dollar, is that right? And Al stepped out of that, and pointed his finger at you, right?

Fred:
It was moving, Perry, it was so far in the universe I couldn't estimate how far it was. And it was moving with the speed of a, it was like a lightning bolt. It was coming toward me so fast. But when it got from the size of my fist to the size of a person, but it was a ball of fire—a ball of light would be better, light and fire. And when it got so far from me, it just stopped moving, and the light just vanished and there stood Al Collins.

Perry:
And this is the friend that had passed away?

Fred:
Yeah, that's correct.

Perry:
You're out in the universe somewhere, though? I mean, way out, on the edge of eternity...

Fred:
And when he put his right hand out toward me, God let him speak to me.

Perry:
And he said what?

Fred:
And he didn't waste any time, Perry. See, I wanted to ask him questions. What it was like, Al, what was it like to die? What was this and that? That's what was on my mind, because we were these good friends. But I wasn't permitted to do that. He looked me and put his hand out and he said, "Fred, God has sent me, God has sent me to tell you..." Excuse me, Perry. "...God has sent me to tell you that you're called to preach. He's called you to preach. And you must preach, you must go and you must preach and you must obey me." And when he said that, the power of God came on me, Perry, and I couldn't answer him. I couldn't do nothing, I just trembled. I just shook under the power of God.

Perry:
And then, but you came back to yourself in that cabin.

Fred:
And one time he started to leave, and then something stopped him, and he told me he wasn't finished. And he turned around and said it the second time, said the same thing.

Perry:
Wow.

Fred:
That let me know it was Al Collins. It was the soul of Al Collins.

Perry:
Now, you had an experience, too, where you went, you saw into Heaven, and you saw books in Heaven, and that actually had photographs in them, or what looked like photographs, of the ministry of Jesus. Do you remember, can you remember that? So tell what happened though, that's what's interesting.

Fred:
Perry, I walked into this, I was praying and just carried out in the spirit, and I walked in...

Perry:
Now explain that for people that don't understand. When you say, "carried out," what happens?

Fred:
Well, the Holy Ghost just come on me so great, the Spirit of God moves on you so great, that He can do what He wants to do. He can show you anything He wants to show you. So while in the spirit man, I was on my knees in prayer, but in the spirit, my inner man walked into this great library.

Perry:
Literally, you saw this?

Fred:
Yeah, into this great library. And, Perry, it had books the size, the width of them was about like this, they were about this high.

Perry:
Was it about three, three and a half, three feet, maybe? Three feet?

Fred:
Yeah, three feet, they were. And one of them was called, "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." And then there was another book there about Jesus, but I felt led to look at "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." So I pulled it out, laid it in this table, it was a table with just, the most beautiful glistening white cover. And I laid it down, and when I opened the book, on the page it said, I opened the title page and it said, "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." And I thought, "Well, I've never seen that book." So I started opening it up, and as I did, there was great pages of His preaching.

Perry:
So, you could read it, and see it?

Fred:
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Perry:
So, what do you think it was, Dad? Do you think it was the Holy Spirit, while Jesus was on earth, actually captured, somehow, for people to see one day, everything that He did?

Fred:
Well, you know, look what John said, he said, "There are many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself..." John 21.

Perry:
Wow. Right. So what did you see?

Fred:
Oh, it was like, the Sermon on the Mount; instead of just Matthew 5, 6, 7, it was other preaching that He did, that was with that.

Perry:
Wow. Now, in other words, when the Bible says, "Every word man gives an account of on that day," He literally has words, apparently, in books or something...

Fred:
So the Holy Ghost put in the Bible what He wanted us to actually see and read of the words of Jesus. But Perry, there are, there could be millions of words of Christ and sermons of His. Just like with yourself, there's been times when you'd start preaching in your meetings, that I would marvel because I knew what you were saying was not all notes. You weren't quoting from notes. And I believe, Perry, that that's where alot of preachers get so inspired today, that God just pulls some of the preaching of Jesus that's not in the books of the New Testament and just puts it in their mouth, and they preach it, and people are saying, "Where in the world did that come from? I never heard that before."


[video=youtube;avoCC9S_sfs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avoCC9S_sfs[/video]

Perry and Fred Stone recall a visit by the ghost of Al Collins

Uploaded on Nov 26, 2009
Sick Horses Evangelist Perry Stone hosts his dad, Fred. Fred recalls the time he was touched by his friend's ghost, Al Collins. And when he visited the edge of the universe. And when his 'inner man' visited heaven and read some giant books.

....

sounds like another fake preacher who deals in necromancy:

"I felt a terrific anointing...I was shaking all over...trembling under the power of God...'Dear God,' I said , 'I feel the anointing'...I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimee's body." - Benny Hinn on visiting the grave of Aimee Semple McPherson...to get an "anointing" from her bones.

.....

as for money:

"One time I preached 16 weeks every night without a break," he said. He founded Voice of Evangelism in 1985 and became interested in prophecy after his first trip to Israel. He wanted to prove that the prophecies detailed in the Bible's Old Testament were coming true.

"We went all over the country documenting three major prophecies that scholars taught were not supposed to happen until the Lord returns that were already happening," he said. "Then I'd preach on Saturday nights -- "Prophecy updates from Israel" -- with slides. That was back in the slides days. You can tell how old I am. That became our most-requested teaching."

Slides and books turned into videos and DVDs, CDs and T-shirts, tours to Israel. All for sale. At his annual conference this year, attendees walked past 11 tables of merchandise to get in the door.

"To stand where Jesus stood, to see what he saw, you'll feel his miracles come alive inside you," read a banner advertising Stone's 10-day tour to Israel.

When Stone takes the stage, one of the first things he does is offer a mini-lesson, a nugget from the Lord. God wants to pour out his blessing on you, he tells his audience. Picture a goblet, he says. You can't pour anything out of a goblet if you put your hand on top and block the opening.

"God does not control your blessing, you do," he said. "We're always looking for God to do blessing, blessing, blessing. But if our hand is over the goblet, God won't do anything. We need to remove our hand from the goblet. So how do we do it? We do it by obedience."

In about one minute, he continues, the ushers will be coming around for the offering.


There's a loud rustling as the crowd reaches for the white donation envelopes on the backs of the seats in front of them. Stone breaks into a song.

Million-dollar ministry: How Cleveland evangelist Perry Stone built a ministry empire
Million-dollar ministry: How Cleveland evangelist Perry Stone built a ministry empire | timesfreepress.com



God wants to pour out his blessing on you, but He can't, you see. He won't.

He really really wants to. But He can't because you are holding back your MONEY.

but His hands are tied UNTIL we OBEY (Stone's unbiblical teaching on tithing).

"God does not control your blessing, you do," he said.
 
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"Famous" preachers are backed by most denominations. They believe it's good PR, makes them look good. I think it's carnal & stinks.
UMMM But who is funding those false teachers? Who are the people buying the videos,cd's and books? Aren't many of the same people funding those Pentecostal and Charismatic teachers the very same people who claim that they have received the gifts of the spirit? Why do most of them never speak up up? Why the lack of discernment?
 
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as for fake: endorsing necromancy (speaking to the dead); and endorsing this ludicrous tale of his father's that he went to Heaven's Library and saw all the sermons and words of Jesus that are not recorded in the Bible.



Perry and Fred Stone on Manna-fest, "Supernatural Encounters in the Last Days"

Perry Stone:
What happened when you were called to preach, now? I want to go to that.

Fred Stone:
When I was there, this little cabin, Perry, that me and my dad had built. Dad had helped me in West Virginia, up in a lease area, out in Creek Cold company. And I was up there praying and seeking the face of God. And Al Collins, while I was praying, I heard footsteps; it was in the fall and there was leaves about four, five, six inches high. And I heard two or three steps behind the cabin—I'm sitting just like I am now. And I turned and looked around and bent my head like this, and before I could see anybody, a hand reached through—the right hand of a man—reached through the side of the cabin and touched me on the head. I thought it was an angel of the Lord; but actually, the spirit man of Al Collins had touched me, you know what I mean? And spoke to me about what God wanted me to know, and that the Lord wanted me to know this and that and the other. And, of course, I was so overcome by the Spirit that it probably took me an hour after this experience for it to just kind of wear off.

You know, Perry, supernatural experiences with God usually stay with people forever. They stay with you all your life. Now, they're not as fresh, and they're not as great upon your spirit man as they were for the first two or three years or something; but they'll be there forever.

Perry Stone:
I remember when you told me—I mean, I've heard you tell that, actually, for years about how that you actually, when that hand touched you, you collapsed and thought you had a heart attack and came out of your body. Paul talked about in 2 Corinthians 12, "...whether in the body or out of the body, I cannot tell, God knows, such a one was caught up into the third heaven..." And so, there are experiences where it's either a vision, or it actually is happening. And you went out, like, being sucked out into the universe somewhere, where you ended up, where it was a beautiful sapphire blue, and you described what happened there. You said that you saw a ball of light that looked like the size of a silver dollar, is that right? And Al stepped out of that, and pointed his finger at you, right?

Fred:
It was moving, Perry, it was so far in the universe I couldn't estimate how far it was. And it was moving with the speed of a, it was like a lightning bolt. It was coming toward me so fast. But when it got from the size of my fist to the size of a person, but it was a ball of fire—a ball of light would be better, light and fire. And when it got so far from me, it just stopped moving, and the light just vanished and there stood Al Collins.

Perry:
And this is the friend that had passed away?

Fred:
Yeah, that's correct.

Perry:
You're out in the universe somewhere, though? I mean, way out, on the edge of eternity...

Fred:
And when he put his right hand out toward me, God let him speak to me.

Perry:
And he said what?

Fred:
And he didn't waste any time, Perry. See, I wanted to ask him questions. What it was like, Al, what was it like to die? What was this and that? That's what was on my mind, because we were these good friends. But I wasn't permitted to do that. He looked me and put his hand out and he said, "Fred, God has sent me, God has sent me to tell you..." Excuse me, Perry. "...God has sent me to tell you that you're called to preach. He's called you to preach. And you must preach, you must go and you must preach and you must obey me." And when he said that, the power of God came on me, Perry, and I couldn't answer him. I couldn't do nothing, I just trembled. I just shook under the power of God.

Perry:
And then, but you came back to yourself in that cabin.

Fred:
And one time he started to leave, and then something stopped him, and he told me he wasn't finished. And he turned around and said it the second time, said the same thing.

Perry:
Wow.

Fred:
That let me know it was Al Collins. It was the soul of Al Collins.

Perry:
Now, you had an experience, too, where you went, you saw into Heaven, and you saw books in Heaven, and that actually had photographs in them, or what looked like photographs, of the ministry of Jesus. Do you remember, can you remember that? So tell what happened though, that's what's interesting.

Fred:
Perry, I walked into this, I was praying and just carried out in the spirit, and I walked in...

Perry:
Now explain that for people that don't understand. When you say, "carried out," what happens?

Fred:
Well, the Holy Ghost just come on me so great, the Spirit of God moves on you so great, that He can do what He wants to do. He can show you anything He wants to show you. So while in the spirit man, I was on my knees in prayer, but in the spirit, my inner man walked into this great library.

Perry:
Literally, you saw this?

Fred:
Yeah, into this great library. And, Perry, it had books the size, the width of them was about like this, they were about this high.

Perry:
Was it about three, three and a half, three feet, maybe? Three feet?

Fred:
Yeah, three feet, they were. And one of them was called, "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." And then there was another book there about Jesus, but I felt led to look at "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." So I pulled it out, laid it in this table, it was a table with just, the most beautiful glistening white cover. And I laid it down, and when I opened the book, on the page it said, I opened the title page and it said, "The Mighty Acts and Words of Jesus." And I thought, "Well, I've never seen that book." So I started opening it up, and as I did, there was great pages of His preaching.

Perry:
So, you could read it, and see it?

Fred:
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Perry:
So, what do you think it was, Dad? Do you think it was the Holy Spirit, while Jesus was on earth, actually captured, somehow, for people to see one day, everything that He did?

Fred:
Well, you know, look what John said, he said, "There are many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself..." John 21.

Perry:
Wow. Right. So what did you see?

Fred:
Oh, it was like, the Sermon on the Mount; instead of just Matthew 5, 6, 7, it was other preaching that He did, that was with that.

Perry:
Wow. Now, in other words, when the Bible says, "Every word man gives an account of on that day," He literally has words, apparently, in books or something...

Fred:
So the Holy Ghost put in the Bible what He wanted us to actually see and read of the words of Jesus. But Perry, there are, there could be millions of words of Christ and sermons of His. Just like with yourself, there's been times when you'd start preaching in your meetings, that I would marvel because I knew what you were saying was not all notes. You weren't quoting from notes. And I believe, Perry, that that's where alot of preachers get so inspired today, that God just pulls some of the preaching of Jesus that's not in the books of the New Testament and just puts it in their mouth, and they preach it, and people are saying, "Where in the world did that come from? I never heard that before."


[video=youtube;avoCC9S_sfs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avoCC9S_sfs[/video]

Perry and Fred Stone recall a visit by the ghost of Al Collins

Uploaded on Nov 26, 2009
Sick Horses Evangelist Perry Stone hosts his dad, Fred. Fred recalls the time he was touched by his friend's ghost, Al Collins. And when he visited the edge of the universe. And when his 'inner man' visited heaven and read some giant books.

....

sounds like another fake preacher who deals in necromancy:

"I felt a terrific anointing...I was shaking all over...trembling under the power of God...'Dear God,' I said , 'I feel the anointing'...I believe the anointing has lingered over Aimee's body." - Benny Hinn on visiting the grave of Aimee Semple McPherson...to get an "anointing" from her bones.

.....

as for money:

"One time I preached 16 weeks every night without a break," he said. He founded Voice of Evangelism in 1985 and became interested in prophecy after his first trip to Israel. He wanted to prove that the prophecies detailed in the Bible's Old Testament were coming true.

"We went all over the country documenting three major prophecies that scholars taught were not supposed to happen until the Lord returns that were already happening," he said. "Then I'd preach on Saturday nights -- "Prophecy updates from Israel" -- with slides. That was back in the slides days. You can tell how old I am. That became our most-requested teaching."

Slides and books turned into videos and DVDs, CDs and T-shirts, tours to Israel. All for sale. At his annual conference this year, attendees walked past 11 tables of merchandise to get in the door.

"To stand where Jesus stood, to see what he saw, you'll feel his miracles come alive inside you," read a banner advertising Stone's 10-day tour to Israel.

When Stone takes the stage, one of the first things he does is offer a mini-lesson, a nugget from the Lord. God wants to pour out his blessing on you, he tells his audience. Picture a goblet, he says. You can't pour anything out of a goblet if you put your hand on top and block the opening.

"God does not control your blessing, you do," he said. "We're always looking for God to do blessing, blessing, blessing. But if our hand is over the goblet, God won't do anything. We need to remove our hand from the goblet. So how do we do it? We do it by obedience."

In about one minute, he continues, the ushers will be coming around for the offering.


There's a loud rustling as the crowd reaches for the white donation envelopes on the backs of the seats in front of them. Stone breaks into a song.

Million-dollar ministry: How Cleveland evangelist Perry Stone built a ministry empire
Million-dollar ministry: How Cleveland evangelist Perry Stone built a ministry empire | timesfreepress.com



God wants to pour out his blessing on you, but He can't, you see. He won't.

He really really wants to. But He can't because you are holding back your MONEY.

but His hands are tied UNTIL we OBEY (Stone's unbiblical teaching on tithing).

"God does not control your blessing, you do," he said.
lol...taken out of context again.....oh well, you are trying real hard to take Satan's job away....he's the accuser not you, but carry on if that's what you enjoy.
 
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lol...taken out of context again.....oh well, you are trying real hard to take Satan's job away....he's the accuser not you, but carry on if that's what you enjoy.
Since when does God say it's OK to speak to the dead? Or is this what the Lord told us? It's amazing the same ones who will complain about Christmas and other such days will complete ignore God when He said this.


  • Deuteronomy 18:10-13
    • Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God. (NIV)

 
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Sarah are the spirits of the Prohets subject to the prophets? Sarah is Jesus DEAD? may I speak to Him? Please Sarah may I please speak to Jesus. Sarah who is the DEAD?

You se even you as TEACHER to many people, do not understand the TRUTH OF GOD...WOW!

Sarah what do you teach your People,,,,, May they or may they NOT Speak to Spirit? Sarah first let God teach you before you teach others.....

This is the problem with Christians.... they are IMPATIENT and leave the class as students, and go to others as teachers...

Sarah let God complete you before you do ANYTHING... You are teaching WRONG, because you are not READY or APPOINTED by God.

Zone can you find a place in the Bible where another man felt a HAND OF A SPIRIT ON HIM? If you cannot, this man is a lier and wrong. I do not say I will approve him a teacher from God, I first have to judge his spirit, but your's I did judge so nothing you say I take for truth before I value it to God's Word...

Now Zone a lesson for you... while Ezekiel sat in his home with the elders, and he had to give them God's judgment on things happening in Judah, there came a hand that and took Ezekiel by the lock of his hair and lifted him up between the earth and heaven... and brought him in a vision of God to Jerusalmen, and Ezekiel sitting there in his home, could see everything that the people did right then in the temple and in Jerusalem... This happened not once but more times...

First let God teach you so you can judge with a righteous judgment.... How can a sinner judge righteous? Impossible. First let God teach you and make you righteous, then you can judge... What do you teach Zonie... God or antichrist?
 
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Sarah are the spirits of the Prohets subject to the prophets? Sarah is Jesus DEAD? may I speak to Him? Please Sarah may I please speak to Jesus. Sarah who is the DEAD?

You se even you as TEACHER to many people, do not understand the TRUTH OF GOD...WOW!

Sarah what do you teach your People,,,,, May they or may they NOT Speak to Spirit? Sarah first let God teach you before you teach others.....

This is the problem with Christians.... they are IMPATIENT and leave the class as students, and go to others as teachers...

Sarah let God complete you before you do ANYTHING... You are teaching WRONG, because you are not READY or APPOINTED by God.
Odd that you would even try to say that when you yourself have never said you are Christian and yet you yourself are trying to teach Christians. How is that even possible that you can try to teach when you are not Christian?
 
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Sarah the Word Chrsitian is only mentioned twice in the Bible, ans so many people use it almost as a swearword.... That is why I do not want to abuse the lovely word. My dear what is the use I call myself Christian and do NOT FOLLOW JESUS?

The Word Christian like disciple means FOLLOWER OF JESUS... NOt Sin and Satan.... JESUS...

And you admit yourself to be sinner... Well sinners follow sin. Jesus has no sin...
I also never claimed to be a child of Satan. and I cannot stand in the middle, there is no middle.... So what should I call myself? Sinner SEEKING GOD, or Godly findin God? Or lost in sin and Satan's child?

You see Sarah Christian can sin becasue he has no HOLY SPIRIT IN HIM... but a Saint already stopped sinning and ALSO has no Holy Spirit in him... THEN God gives the SAINT the Holy Spirit and then the SAINT IS PERFECT, with the SEED OF GOD in him, and only THEN God decides whetehr he be preacher or NOT...

Sarah, even Satan can teach Truth, but he also is not appointed by God. What I teach is what God teach, so I ALREADY have the gift of Truth, but am I now a perfected Saint? NOPE! Just a Truth teacher, and it is not even my Truth, it is HIS.

Sarah I might be ten times the Christian you are, MIGHT BE, but only God can CALL me Chrisitan and not lie...God would RATHER call me a SON OF GOD.... So I will wait, till God gives me HIS SEED and then I CANNT sin and then i am NEVER called a Christian, but a SON OF GOD...

Names is just names, but if God calls me SON, HE CALLS ME IS OWN.... Sarah if HE sends me, I will go. but until then I would like to stir some more Truth in CC, there is not a lot of it around here....
 
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Sarah the Word Chrsitian is only mentioned twice in the Bible, ans so many people use it almost as a swearword.... That is why I do not want to abuse the lovely word. My dear what is the use I call myself Christian and do NOT FOLLOW JESUS?

The Word Christian like disciple means FOLLOWER OF JESUS... NOt Sin and Satan.... JESUS...

And you admit yourself to be sinner... Well sinners follow sin. Jesus has no sin...
I also never claimed to be a child of Satan. and I cannot stand in the middle, there is no middle.... So what should I call myself? Sinner SEEKING GOD, or Godly findin God? Or lost in sin and Satan's child?

You see Sarah Christian can sin becasue he has no HOLY SPIRIT IN HIM... but a Saint already stopped sinning and ALSO has no Holy Spirit in him... THEN God gives the SAINT the Holy Spirit and then the SAINT IS PERFECT, with the SEED OF GOD in him, and only THEN God decides whetehr he be preacher or NOT...

Sarah, even Satan can teach Truth, but he also is not appointed by God. What I teach is what God teach, so I ALREADY have the gift of Truth, but am I now a perfected Saint? NOPE! Just a Truth teacher, and it is not even my Truth, it is HIS.

Sarah I might be ten times the Christian you are, MIGHT BE, but only God can CALL me Chrisitan and not lie...God would RATHER call me a SON OF GOD.... So I will wait, till God gives me HIS SEED and then I CANNT sin and then i am NEVER called a Christian, but a SON OF GOD...

Names is just names, but if God calls me SON, HE CALLS ME IS OWN.... Sarah if HE sends me, I will go. but until then I would like to stir some more Truth in CC, there is not a lot of it around here....

Sorry Cobus but you are still trying to teach others when you yourself have never been born again.
 
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Sarah are the spirits of the Prohets subject to the prophets? Sarah is Jesus DEAD? may I speak to Him? Please Sarah may I please speak to Jesus. Sarah who is the DEAD?

You se even you as TEACHER to many people, do not understand the TRUTH OF GOD...WOW!

Sarah what do you teach your People,,,,, May they or may they NOT Speak to Spirit? Sarah first let God teach you before you teach others.....

This is the problem with Christians.... they are IMPATIENT and leave the class as students, and go to others as teachers...

Sarah let God complete you before you do ANYTHING... You are teaching WRONG, because you are not READY or APPOINTED by God.

Zone can you find a place in the Bible where another man felt a HAND OF A SPIRIT ON HIM? If you cannot, this man is a lier and wrong. I do not say I will approve him a teacher from God, I first have to judge his spirit, but your's I did judge so nothing you say I take for truth before I value it to God's Word...

Now Zone a lesson for you... while Ezekiel sat in his home with the elders, and he had to give them God's judgment on things happening in Judah, there came a hand that and took Ezekiel by the lock of his hair and lifted him up between the earth and heaven... and brought him in a vision of God to Jerusalmen, and Ezekiel sitting there in his home, could see everything that the people did right then in the temple and in Jerusalem... This happened not once but more times...

First let God teach you so you can judge with a righteous judgment.... How can a sinner judge righteous? Impossible. First let God teach you and make you righteous, then you can judge... What do you teach Zonie... God or antichrist?
Sadly Cobus you come across like many who claim to be Christian but who have never come to understand the cross and what it really means. The cross becomes the place where it MUST remove all pride. It must remove all the self righteousness and pride. It is the design of the cross. In the end it is the sin of pride that will cast all men into hell. It is designed to show our total and complete helplessness before God to do anything to save ourselves. And that goes against our pride. It is wholly and totally by HIS GRACE AND MERCY that anyone can stand before Him. It goes against our nature because we so often want to think we are so much better then anyone else,yet the standard is not Cobus,Zone,Stephen or any other human being but ONE and it's not you. Jesus set the standard and nothing less will ever save you or anyone else. We are declared righteous by faith alone,in Christ alone and nothing else.