Zimmerman Trial....divisive or definitive?

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AgeofKnowledge

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It's truly amazing how polarized Americans are. Check out this poll: Poll Finds Vast Gaps in Basic Views on Gender, Race, Religion and Politics - ABC News

Here's the actual study: http://www.langerresearch.com/uploads/ABCNews-FusionPoll.pdf

There's basically two nations living in one country and you two (e.g. Trudes and SonInMe) represent each side pretty well.

Which begs the question, if two genuine Christians aligned on opposing sides of the reality this study reveals cannot figure out how to accommodate each other: then how is the rest of the country going to?
 
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Trudes

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The facts given at trial, the jurors statements after deliberation all exonerated Zimmerman from any racial component to this tragedy.

The only racist remarks were made by Martin.

There wasn't enough evidence to arrest Zimmerman. The DA who did arrest Zimmerman is now up on charges she kept information from the defense team which is illegal.

These are all facts. Please show how I am racist for stating the criteria discovered at trial.

In fact the only racist here between the two of us is you. You can only see the color of Martin's skin. If you have read this thread, you would see there was NO evidence of Zimmerman's guilt, plenty of evidence the media and the liberals spouted propaganda and racial hatreds over and over again....

but that does not matter because Martin was black.

I.....am not the racist here young lady.




Zimmerman killed an innocent child. He was minding his own business only to have a racist man follow him around, why? He saw a black person and felt this boy was going to do what??????????? If Zimmerman hadn't been following him he would be in college to this date. You are just as racist as Zimmerman.

Just know that if you see my black child walking around, don't even look at him. And if you should kill him, your life belongs to me.
 
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The facts given at trial are completely opposite of your statements.

The reason for polarization AgeofKnowledge is because reality and delusion seldom have common ground
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The reality is that delusion and reality exist on both sides in some measure though many on each side, like yourself for example, falsely believe they live in 100% reality and the other side in 100% delusion.

The facts given at trial are completely opposite of your statements.

The reason for polarization AgeofKnowledge is because reality and delusion seldom have common ground
 
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Trudes

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The facts given at trial are completely opposite of your statements.

The reason for polarization AgeofKnowledge is because reality and delusion seldom have common ground


I will not use my energy to talk about this anymore. I have nothing to say except just hope you don't loose a child or grandchild to senseless violence. You and Zimmerman are part of the reason why I am afraid to have children in this world. What 's the point of having them only to bury them?

The only way for us to understand each other is if we look at it from each other's point of view and experiences. You never know, maybe one day your daughter or son may end up having a biracial child or even adopt a black child. What happens then if you love that child only to find him/her killed by a Zimmerman type?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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You, like many black Americans, live in a delusion that Trayvon is an innocent child hunted down for being black by a white Nazi.

Zimmerman is a non-racist American who is half Jewish and half Peruvian. BUT, in his role as neighborhood watch captain he DID suspect Trayvon who was legally visiting his father's girlfriend in the gated community Zimmerman was watch captain of that was struggling with numerous breakins and thefts at that time. The residents of the gated community were up in arms and wanted the crimes stopped.

You can find Sanford PD's police reports, arrests, etc... at their site and also third party site's interested in the case of criminals committing burglaries at the Colonial Village and neighborhood in the weeks and months leading up to the tragic event online. Here's an example: http://www.talkleft.com/media/burgfeb7.pdf

Zimmerman was a man on a mission to end crime in his complex but that doesn't make him a racist hunting innocent black children to execute them which is nonsense you mistakenly believe and falsely assert.

And, though it's difficult to accept I know, Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Trayvon Martin and ask him questions. It's perfectly legal in Sanford Florida to follow someone to ask them some questions. And, that's what he did.

What happened next is what the trial was all about. Did Zimmerman kill Trayvon in self-defense or murder him on the night of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida?

On April 11, 2012, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in Martin's death. The trial began on June 24, 2013, and was presented to the jury for deliberations on July 12. Note that while the prosecution only listed second degree murder in its charges, all lesser included offenses are assumed to be charged as well. Therefore, the jury could have found Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder or guilty of related lesser included offenses.

It is actually quite common for a prosecutor to go for the highest level charge they feel they can prove, with the understanding that if they cannot prove the greatest charge, a lower charge might stick with the jury in states, like Florida, that allow for the automatic inclusion of lesser included offenses.

The defendant was found not guilty the following day and after looking at the evidence, Eric Holder and the justice department refused to try Zimmerman on violating Trayvon's civil rights which the ACLU concurred.

NONE of this, of course, makes George Zimmerman a good, moral, or responsible person. I would argue that he's not a good person and that he showed a lack of maturity and acted irresponsibly by following Trayvon to question him about what he was doing in the gated community George was neighborhood watch captain over.

It appears; however, that Trayvon was not a good person either. Instead of using his cell phone to call the police and report being followed (it's not a crime to follow someone to question them in Sanford Florida but police intervention would have prevented what happened), going into his apartment and closing the door and ignoring George, or explaining to George he was legitimately visiting his father's girlfriend at the complex and used good social skills: chose instead to lie in wait in the bushes and jump out when George approached and say "What the f..k is your problem, homie?" and when George said "I don't have a problem" tell him "No, now you have a problem" and then violently assault George Zimmerman punching him in the nose, mounting him and smashing his head against the concrete, telling him he was going to kill him as he reached for George's gun putting George in fear for his life.

That's the REAL reason Trayvon is dead.



Don't get it twisted.



Zimmerman killed an innocent child. He was minding his own business only to have a racist man follow him around, why? He saw a black person and felt this boy was going to do what??????????? If Zimmerman hadn't been following him he would be in college to this date. You are just as racist as Zimmerman.

Just know that if you see my black child walking around, don't even look at him. And if you should kill him, your life belongs to me.
 
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Trudes

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You, like many black Americans, live in a delusion that Trayvon is an innocent child hunted down for being black by a white Nazi.

Zimmerman is a non-racist American who is half Jewish and half Peruvian. BUT, in his role as neighborhood watch captain he DID suspect Trayvon who was legally visiting his father's girlfriend in the gated community Zimmerman was watch captain of that was struggling with numerous breakins and thefts at that time. The residents of the gated community were up in arms and wanted the crimes stopped.

You can find Sanford PD's police reports, arrests, etc... at their site and also third party site's interested in the case of criminals committing burglaries at the Colonial Village and neighborhood in the weeks and months leading up to the tragic event online. Here's an example: http://www.talkleft.com/media/burgfeb7.pdf

Zimmerman was a man on a mission to end crime in his complex but that doesn't make him a racist hunting innocent black children to execute them which is nonsense you mistakenly believe and falsely assert.

And, though it's difficult to accept I know, Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Trayvon Martin and ask him questions. It's perfectly legal in Sanford Florida to follow someone to ask them some questions. And, that's what he did.

What happened next is what the trial was all about. Did Zimmerman kill Trayvon in self-defense or murder him on the night of February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida?

On April 11, 2012, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder in Martin's death. The trial began on June 24, 2013, and was presented to the jury for deliberations on July 12. Note that while the prosecution only listed second degree murder in its charges, all lesser included offenses are assumed to be charged as well. Therefore, the jury could have found Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder or guilty of related lesser included offenses.

It is actually quite common for a prosecutor to go for the highest level charge they feel they can prove, with the understanding that if they cannot prove the greatest charge, a lower charge might stick with the jury in states, like Florida, that allow for the automatic inclusion of lesser included offenses.

The defendant was found not guilty the following day and after looking at the evidence, Eric Holder and the justice department refused to try Zimmerman on violating Trayvon's civil rights which the ACLU concurred.

NONE of this, of course, makes George Zimmerman a good, moral, or responsible person. I would argue that he's not a good person and that he showed a lack of maturity and acted irresponsibly by following Trayvon to question him about what he was doing in the gated community George was neighborhood watch captain over.

It appears; however, that Trayvon was not a good person either. Instead of using his cell phone to call the police and report being followed (it's not a crime to follow someone to question them in Sanford Florida but police intervention would have prevented what happened), going into his apartment and closing the door and ignoring George, or explaining to George he was legitimately visiting his father's girlfriend at the complex and used good social skills: chose instead to lie in wait in the bushes and jump out when George approached and say "What the f..k is your problem, homie?" and when George said "I don't have a problem" tell him "No, now you have a problem" and then violently assault George Zimmerman punching him in the nose, mounting him and smashing his head against the concrete, telling him he was going to kill him as he reached for George's gun putting George in fear for his life.

That's the REAL reason Trayvon is dead.



Don't get it twisted.


You can post whatever picture you like of him. I know plenty of white guys I met who told me as a teenager they did plenty of drugs. Sometimes their parents knew and turn a blind eye. The big difference here is that these white boys were never racially profiled and arrested for their drug use. They had the opportunity to change their life around and have a career. Trayvon will never have that opportunity because he is dead!!!


Heck, I first experienced racism in junior high school by a white male school counselor. I was on the honor roll and he told me their was no use in applying to high school because I would never get in. I also experience racism In high school (16 o17 years old). I did an internship at a law firm, where a white attorney would make jokes about lynching black people. Look, I was young and could not believe a professional would stoop to such low standards. What did he expect me to do or say. I said nothing and pretended he did not exist. It was a white secretary who told him in front of me that what he said was "that was not appropriate" only to have him laugh hysterically.

At that same law firm I worked very hard and sat in a small cubicle. While another white male intern would come by every now and then only to tell me he had nothing to do. He was placed in a large office and was on the phone all day. I just told myself, at least I am getting experience and my day is going by faster.

In high school, I wad repeatedly sexually harassed by my piano teacher who was white. He tried to give me money and tried to bribe me. I told another white teacher about the harassment. I told him because he was my tract and field coach. I wanted him to help me. The only thing he did was got me out of the class to practice instead running. He did not report it. That same teacher, I watched him harass a male black student threatening to fail him even though the boy was very good on the piano. He gave me an A and I could not play one note. How could I learn to play the piano, when my teacher was busy trying to touch my private areas and trying to rub on me. I wanted to help that boy but I couldn't, I needed help myself. Fortunately, that teacher is now in prison for getting a female student pregnant.


In my freshman year in college, i went to SUNY Oswego. My family and I drove to the campus about 8 hours or more. We stopped at a McDonald restaurant close to the college campus to get hot chocolate. To my surprise, a worker did not want to serve us and she behaved badly. My mother began to cry and ask why I wanted to go to this college. I assured her that I would not stay but will transfer out. After that semester was over, transfer I did.


But within a few days of my arrival on campus, One day day I decided to go off campus just to walk around and I went to place that sold movies. During my time at the store I had a white guy followed me around. Do you think I was scrared? You bet I was. Did I call the police????? No I did not. Was I angry??? Yes. Please do not racially profile me. You have nothing that I want that God cannot give me. I am not a thief, no I do no sell drugs nor do I date drug dealers. I actually like to feel safe and go where I please. This world belongs to God not you. If some black people commit crimes, I should be racially profile because I am black?? So if a white person commit crimes, should I follow you around???????


One day a white guy who was a freshman like myself ask me to go to the movies with him. I told him I was busy with my studies and had no time. The truth is, I was afraid to leave the campus. My roommate, who was white, frequently attended parties off campus and asked me to go with her and her friends. I told her I had no time. The truth is I was afraid and knew she would be too drunk to help me if anything were to happen to me.

When you say Trayvon was bad, the campus I attended had people doing sex orgies, drinking and drugs. Should I say they were bad or were they just going through a phase in life. I never drank, even though I was not a Christian at the time. When students were going room to room sleeping with each other, I made it clear to two guys I was interested in one night stands.


If you see my son or my daughter, please leave them alone. I do not harass yours then do not bother mine.
 
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Trudes

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I meant to say I made it clear I was not interested in one night stand. I was there to study not to have sex.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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All of which has NOTHING to do with the death of Trayvon Martin.

White people are profiled all the time by blacks when they enter black neighborhoods. They are often robbed and/or assaulted shortly afterwards. In many black neighborhoods here in Los Angeles, blacks attack on sight any white male in "their turf."

The “New Century Foundation” studies Federal crime reports, and found significant differences in crime ratio between races, verified by the FBI’s NCVS, National Crime Victimization Survey, and The Department of Justice’s UCR, Uniform Crime Reports, FBI Communication’s Division, 304-625-4995.

They state emphatically that the Judicial System is not biased against minorities and the Obama Administration under Eric Holder controls it at the federal level.

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites, but the statistics are nebulous because sometimes they are classified as white, so it could be far higher.

The best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percent of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.

Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.

Blacks are seven times more likely to go to prison, Hispanics three times, and the reason is clear, because from 1980 to 2003 the US incarceration rate has tripled, and so proves that Justice is not only hard won, but well served.

If only black Americans would stop victimizing each other and everyone else, the problem would largely disappear.

Whites are not hunting your children honey. Black males are the number one demographic in America, per capita, doing the hunting.
 
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The Lord knows whatever really happened and its best to let Him be Judge. i dont think debating it any further than society has is going to help any cause
 
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Trudes

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We'll since you are so interested in percentage. Whites have kidnapped my people from Africa and brought them to a land where they were raped, slaughtered, dehumanized because after all they were not considered human. Oh no they were considered less than animals. Only God knows how many were raped, starved, brutalized on a daily basis. Do you think you have any right to own me. Do I have a right to own you? If you think you do have a right to own me then I have every right to kill my oppressor.

Whites killed the Indians and chased them from their land. Whites killed many Jews. Behind every war whites are behind it.

So do you think you are above me. You are not and you never will be. "Don't get it twisted." Please get off my friend list because you are not welcome there.
 
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Trudes

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Do yourself a favor and stay away from me.!!!!
 
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Trudes

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My husband warned me to stay off this forum and I will listen to him. I don't care what you racist people have to say it really doesn't matter. I will not come back on this forum because my husband doesn't think it's good for me to waste my time when I have important things to get done. You are just a waste of my time. I hope I don't have to speak or see you racist people ever again!!!
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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North Africans kidnapped a million of my people from the coasts of Europe and brought them to a land where they were raped, slaughtered, dehumanized because after all they were not considered equal. Only God knows how many were raped, starved, brutalized on a daily basis.

Honey, slavery is the antithesis of liberty. Far worse than simple moral repugnance, slavery is morally evil. Given that fact, one would think that an accurate historical account of slavery would be taught to the American people as a means of binding us together.

Instead, a skewed history of slavery is presented whereas white slavery, black slave owners, and African commercialized slavery apart from Europeans completely ignored. The truth is that slavery was not a construct of white people but of cultural attitudes of earlier times, especially amongst the rich, in most societies including Arabic, Black, Chinese, and Indian societies long before the Atlantic Slave Trade existed or the United States was ever a nation.

Africans were enslaving other Africans into antiquity and slavery in Africa became commercialized under Islam. From its beginning, Islam has been a central feature in Africa and the origination of wholesale commercialized slavery out of Africa. Almost 40% of Africans today are Muslim and it is in Muslim areas that slavery of Africans continues.

By the time of the Atlantic Slave Trade, between 15% to 30% of the enslaved Africans that arrived in the New World were Muslims. Europeans almost never entered the interior regions of Africa in that time. Africans were captured by other Africans and sold to the nations of the world.

The majority of the slaves were sent to Brazil, followed by the Caribbean. Contrary to popular belief, most slaves were not sent to North America.

The truth is that whites slaves were America's first slaves, were slaves for life, and their slavery was hereditary (their children were born into slavery). Whites were auctioned on the block with children sold and separated from their parents and wives sold and separated from their husbands where they were worked to death in the sugar mills of Barbados and Jamaica and the plantations of Virginia.

Michael A. Hoffman explains in 'They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America and Industrial Britain:

"Bound Whites in early America called themselves slaves and nine-tenths of the White slavery in America was conducted without indentures of any kind but according to the so-called "custom of the country," as it was known, which was lifetime slavery administered by the White slave merchants themselves."

In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved "forever." The service of Whites bound to Berkeley's Hundred was deemed "perpetual." These accounts have been simply left out of many "standard reference works" because this authentic history no longer is politically correct in today's modern liberal social construct.

Yet white slavery was an extensive operation and only around the start of the 18th century do we begin to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery. North Africans alone are estimated to have enslaved a million white Europeans who were cruelly treated. And I haven't even touched on the topic of the trade of white convict slavery.

And how did it end over most of the world? Primarily a movement of white Christians joined with lesser populations of non-whites and dedicated themselves to end it.

Honey, my ancestors to this country were slaves just as yours were. It's a fact and documented by one of my family members who is an attorney with a serious interest in American history.

And guess what else? We have some Native American because white slaves brought to this country intermingled and married them.

Your assertions are fallacious nonsense. All whites are behind all wars. Really? FALSE. Unbelievable. Pick up a book and read it.

You may be hateful against everyone that tells you the truth but I'm not going to be. I LOVE you even though you are obviously an ignorant person when it comes to this topic. You'll do that hating and I'll do the loving. You reject and I'll accept. That's how this is going to work.

I love you to much not to tell you the truth even though you don't like the truth. Denial is more than a river in Egypt. Don't swim in it. Peace.


We'll since you are so interested in percentage. Whites have kidnapped my people from Africa and brought them to a land where they were raped, slaughtered, dehumanized because after all they were not considered human. Oh no they were considered less than animals. Only God knows how many were raped, starved, brutalized on a daily basis. Do you think you have any right to own me. Do I have a right to own you? If you think you do have a right to own me then I have every right to kill my oppressor.

Whites killed the Indians and chased them from their land. Whites killed many Jews. Behind every war whites are behind it.

So do you think you are above me. You are not and you never will be. "Don't get it twisted." Please get off my friend list because you are not welcome there.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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You're in DENIAL and angry for no good reason. We're not racists. We're just well read and telling you the truth with love and in peace. We LOVE you and want peace just not at the expense of TRUTH.


My husband warned me to stay off this forum and I will listen to him. I don't care what you racist people have to say it really doesn't matter. I will not come back on this forum because my husband doesn't think it's good for me to waste my time when I have important things to get done. You are just a waste of my time. I hope I don't have to speak or see you racist people ever again!!!
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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And this too is a problem in the USA: Unless a white person ignores and/or denies the truth while falsely admitting that they themselves are evil, start all wars, are responsible for all slavery and falsely assert their ancestors were never slaves themselves, deny all injustices perpetuated by non-whites against them that actually happened and are happening, etc... etc... etc... black people will IN A VERY UNCHRIST-LIKE MANNER verbally assault them, falsely call them a racist, and then totally reject them cutting off all lines of communication with them. Crazy no?

It looks pretty insane to me.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

^ Are you aligning your behavior with this or against it?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Two nations in one country. Since the truth won't bring them together, what do you suggest? Ignoring half the truth and living a half lie life?

have we decided this yet?
 

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Two nations in one country. Since the truth won't bring them together, what do you suggest? Ignoring half the truth and living a half lie life?
huh?

Zimmerman Trial....divisive or definitive?

the zimmerman trial is long over.
it was divisive and still is.
i just wondered if this sort of media manipulation of racial tensions is going to be definitive of american daily life.
maybe i missed 600+ posts where it was resolved.

can i get a summary?