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All of you are sounding like the biblical scholars who lived prior to the return of Jesus. You know just how everything in the last days will happen, just as those scholars said knew everything that would happen when the Messiah came.
Also, have you forgotten that in Romans it tells who is Israel? We are the adopted sons.
In the bible, usually literal happenings explain the spiritual happenings. In the case of the bible using numbers, the meaning is usually spiritual. For an example, often scripture uses the literal 40 days of a trial to spiritually say it was a time of trial. In the case of the 144,000, it is probably a spiritual number. If it represents all Israel, then it would be 12,000 from each 12 tribes. There is physical Israel, and spiritual Israel. Those of us who are saved and not part of physical Israel but adopted into Israel would be part of this.
I don't think a human on this earth can say that they absolutely know for sure all about these things. We know certainly the Jesus will return as a judge. We know we can trust the Lord to care for us, His children. Can't we just let God take care of the details?
Also, have you forgotten that in Romans it tells who is Israel? We are the adopted sons.
In the bible, usually literal happenings explain the spiritual happenings. In the case of the bible using numbers, the meaning is usually spiritual. For an example, often scripture uses the literal 40 days of a trial to spiritually say it was a time of trial. In the case of the 144,000, it is probably a spiritual number. If it represents all Israel, then it would be 12,000 from each 12 tribes. There is physical Israel, and spiritual Israel. Those of us who are saved and not part of physical Israel but adopted into Israel would be part of this.
I don't think a human on this earth can say that they absolutely know for sure all about these things. We know certainly the Jesus will return as a judge. We know we can trust the Lord to care for us, His children. Can't we just let God take care of the details?
lol. Quite the opposite.
People in Jesus day spiritualized what the oT said also. and did not take him literally. If they did, they would have followed his messiah.
Prophesy is literal. if it is not literal. It is useless.
144000 means 144000. anything else the meaning would be useless. It was not a parable that was given about 144000 people representing something else. It spoke of a literal event happening on earth. To spiritualise it is to take it out of context and twist its true purpose. Which is to prove to all people alive when it happens that God is the one true God and he can predict future events.
To us. We can just look forward to it. But like the OT prophets and others. All they could do is look forward to it. BUT IT DID (in there case) and WILL (in our case) HAPPEN.