What Laws are still valid to christians
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If you didn't have your head so buried in that cult's bible translation, you'd know that even Jesus called it the law of Moses.
[Jesus] said to [the disciples], “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything that is written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44
[Jesus said,] If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses would not be broken, are you angry with me because I made a whole man well on the Sabbath? John 7:23
[Jesus] said to [the disciples], “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything that is written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44
[Jesus said,] If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses would not be broken, are you angry with me because I made a whole man well on the Sabbath? John 7:23
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To Kelly. As I tell sinners every day, only God CAN give the GIFT of GRACE and only you can ASK for it.So Humble your seek and seek God to save you by His GRACE. In faith we Seek and in Grace God gives. But this eternal cov. of GRACE is a very humbling truth. With men salvation is impossible, only by Grace, power and mercy of God . can a sinner be transformed into a saint and be forgiven of sin. But, Once God has saved us, the sky is the limit; then our works are holy and acceptable to God , therefore , Noah found grace, and Mary , being a good, holy, women found grace to be the virgin to have God's son. Moses by grace found grace to be chosen to lead God's people. etc. etc.. Love to all, Hoffco
Jesus is the guarantor, surety, guarantee of both
that I will perform my part of the covenant (faith) and
that God will perform his part of the covenant (salvation).
The New Covenant was not the fulfillment of a promise to Abraham, it was the fulfillment of a promise to Israel through Jeremiah (31:31-34).
And yes, "an entire New Covenant had to be put in place" due to God's promise of a New Covenant
(Jer 1:31-34), because the people broke the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant (Jer 11; Heb 8:8),
and not because Jesus was made High Priest of a new order and could not administer the
Old Covenant.
Covenants are not administered in Scripture, they are mediated.
You are confounding the reason/cause (promised) for the New Covenant
with the effect (new life) of the New Covenant.
The reason for the New Covenant was to fulfill the promise of it.
The effect of the New Covenant was eternal life through faith in Christ Jesus.
Okay, I hear you and am considering this point.
And here's what I am considering:
"Every high priest (NB: including the order of Melchizedek) is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one to have something to offer. . .He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood (i.e., sacrifice). . .Christ, through the eternal Spirit offered himself to God. . .for this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant. . .--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free. . ." (Heb 8:3, 9:12, 14-15).
Scripture does not prohibit Christ as High Priest in the order of Melchizedek from offering himself as sacrifice.
This whole rationale of Christ not being able to offer sacrifice because he was of the tribe of Judah falls
on Heb 8:3, 9:12, 14-15, which states he did exactly that.
that I will perform my part of the covenant (faith) and
that God will perform his part of the covenant (salvation).
The New Covenant was not the fulfillment of a promise to Abraham, it was the fulfillment of a promise to Israel through Jeremiah (31:31-34).
And yes, "an entire New Covenant had to be put in place" due to God's promise of a New Covenant
(Jer 1:31-34), because the people broke the Old (Sinaitic) Covenant (Jer 11; Heb 8:8),
and not because Jesus was made High Priest of a new order and could not administer the
Old Covenant.
Covenants are not administered in Scripture, they are mediated.
You are confounding the reason/cause (promised) for the New Covenant
with the effect (new life) of the New Covenant.
The reason for the New Covenant was to fulfill the promise of it.
The effect of the New Covenant was eternal life through faith in Christ Jesus.
Okay, I hear you and am considering this point.
And here's what I am considering:
"Every high priest (NB: including the order of Melchizedek) is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, and so it was necessary for this one to have something to offer. . .He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood (i.e., sacrifice). . .Christ, through the eternal Spirit offered himself to God. . .for this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant. . .--now that he has died as a ransom to set them free. . ." (Heb 8:3, 9:12, 14-15).
Scripture does not prohibit Christ as High Priest in the order of Melchizedek from offering himself as sacrifice.
This whole rationale of Christ not being able to offer sacrifice because he was of the tribe of Judah falls
on Heb 8:3, 9:12, 14-15, which states he did exactly that.
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Some people can be very pigheaded.They think they know more than Christ and the N.T.. Just read and believe it. Jesus is God almighty He can do what ever He and the Father want to do. As Jesus He always obeys his eternal Father. As the eternal WORD,SON, He also obeys His eternal Father. Love to all ,Hoffco
Well, actually the earthly tabernacle was the dwelling place of God (Ex 25:8, 29:45; Lev 26:11; Nu 5:3; Dt 12:11), rather than a symbol of it.
This does:
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Living Bible (TLB)
8 What we are saying is this: Christ, whose priesthood we have just described, is our High Priest and is in heaven at the place of greatest honor next to God himself. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He ministers in the temple in heaven, the true place of worship built by the Lord and not by human hands.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And since every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices, Christ must make an offering too. [SUP]4 [/SUP]The sacrifice he offers is far better than those offered by the earthly priests. (But even so, if he were here on earth he wouldn’t even be permitted to be a priest because down here the priests still follow the old Jewish system of sacrifices.)
Yes that through his death those that BELEIVE ARE MADE LY, IN GOD GIVING THEM NEW LIFE ONCE THEY SEE THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins at all, not for anymore forgiveness from God
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
So by Christ is it done or not?, can we now move on from death to life, the resurrected life of Christ, trusting Father to do this for us by belief in Father's finished work at the cross for us. Is it finished as Christ stated it is in John 19:30
Can anyone improve on perfection, that Christ gave to us that believe? Ever thought that by trying to keep self clean, might be why one can't and are in need of the finished work of Christ at the cross
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
So by Christ is it done or not?, can we now move on from death to life, the resurrected life of Christ, trusting Father to do this for us by belief in Father's finished work at the cross for us. Is it finished as Christ stated it is in John 19:30
Can anyone improve on perfection, that Christ gave to us that believe? Ever thought that by trying to keep self clean, might be why one can't and are in need of the finished work of Christ at the cross
how can it ever be when God has past tense already won through Son, the message left us is the message:
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Reconciliation, redemption, propitiation are all the same as forgiven, it is a done deal by God through Son, done at the cross fro all those that believe are also finished from their works as God is from God's since the foundation of the world.
This is so simple that it is hard and only God can reveal this truth
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Reconciliation, redemption, propitiation are all the same as forgiven, it is a done deal by God through Son, done at the cross fro all those that believe are also finished from their works as God is from God's since the foundation of the world.
This is so simple that it is hard and only God can reveal this truth
Not trying to go off subject, but man was not made alive in the Spirit of God prior to the eating of that tree of evil
Elin, nowhere before the fall of Adam and Eve is it ever stated that Adam and Eve were ever born of the Spirit of God. They were alive in the Soul, God breathed into Adam and man became a living Soul. You see they had a choice to eat from any tree except the tree of flesh, known as the knowledge of good and evil
When they did eat from that tree of evil, that masquerades to this very day as good, when it is not
Adam and Eve were born of flesh, seeing they were naked and every person produced after them also born of flesh.
If they were alive in the Spirit, prior to eating of that tree of evil they would have never eaten from that tree that brought death to flesh, being aware of flesh
Now had they eaten from the tree of life (Christ) prior, they would have known and could not have been tricked into eating from the tree of selfishness
Please show me any scripture that says they were alive in the Spirit of God before the eating of that tree that brought death to the Soul, needing life in the Spirit to restore the Soul to life in eternity?
Elin, nowhere before the fall of Adam and Eve is it ever stated that Adam and Eve were ever born of the Spirit of God. They were alive in the Soul, God breathed into Adam and man became a living Soul. You see they had a choice to eat from any tree except the tree of flesh, known as the knowledge of good and evil
When they did eat from that tree of evil, that masquerades to this very day as good, when it is not
Adam and Eve were born of flesh, seeing they were naked and every person produced after them also born of flesh.
If they were alive in the Spirit, prior to eating of that tree of evil they would have never eaten from that tree that brought death to flesh, being aware of flesh
Now had they eaten from the tree of life (Christ) prior, they would have known and could not have been tricked into eating from the tree of selfishness
Please show me any scripture that says they were alive in the Spirit of God before the eating of that tree that brought death to the Soul, needing life in the Spirit to restore the Soul to life in eternity?
It is through me personally trying to uphold the Mosaic Laws, that I found out no way possible for me to ever be perfect this way, and when found Christ, (who is never really hidden), I also found out not to use him as an excuse for any and or all sins I might or might not commit, rather I found to only reside on Christ alone in trust to do in me what I found out through the Law I can't in self, seeing that by his death he has past tense made me Holy in his Father's sight, and then that is where I received the new life in Father by Father's Spirit, that came to live in me and through me, keeping me hidden in him, safe and secure, considering me the old self dead, co-crucified with my Lord and Savior, brought back to the resurrected life in the Spirit, where no sin there will ever occur. So I die daily, since I can't predict future, living one day at a time, trusting Father to do the work Father needs through me. Me being Father's vessel, just as Christ was while here on earth
Time to relax and rest from our works as he did from the foundation of this world
Time to relax and rest from our works as he did from the foundation of this world
No, one cannot sin if they walk in the Holy Spirit for all sin has been condemned to flesh. therefore if I sin after God has sealed me with the Holy Spirit of fire, it would be of this unredeemed flesh that I forgot I believe is dead at the cross with Christ, that tricks a man and many a people into not reckoning (believing) themselves as dead to sin
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[h=3]Romans 8:1[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[h=3]Romans 8:1[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Just was not knowingly alive in them as they had not eaten from the tree of life yet.
And then God when putting them out of the Garden, blocked the way to the garden to keep, anyone from eating off the tree of life, for now being evil if they had, they would have obtained eternal life as being evil, which God prevented from happening until Christ came to earth to redeem us from the evil flesh by giving us life in the Spirit were no sin can ever occur
God today can only be worshipped how? Flesh or Spirit?
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Only one way to worship God, Spirit not flesh. So one has to be alive in Spirit ot truly worship God right? And is there any sin in the Spirit of God or God or Christ?
And then God when putting them out of the Garden, blocked the way to the garden to keep, anyone from eating off the tree of life, for now being evil if they had, they would have obtained eternal life as being evil, which God prevented from happening until Christ came to earth to redeem us from the evil flesh by giving us life in the Spirit were no sin can ever occur
God today can only be worshipped how? Flesh or Spirit?
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Only one way to worship God, Spirit not flesh. So one has to be alive in Spirit ot truly worship God right? And is there any sin in the Spirit of God or God or Christ?
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Me n homeward bound dnt agree 100# on all things, but I tell you now this man talks sense he knows the minutiae and the detail if needed, bt he talks common sense as well and yet still the diversives cnt accept truth when staring them at the face? There are many here who are under a yoke and think the grace believers are wrapped up in sins whenever they choose? Realise this all those under a yoke? The grace believer in simple terms is taking The Lord at his word? He who began a good work in you shall also bring its completion? Its that simple we are trusting Jesus daily til we die to get us to the standard he has set? This is the end of it? You might say no way is it so easy to recieve eternal life and be with god and not put forth effort? Well I'm afraid to say its true? That's why god chose faith? Its nothing to do with us? He has saved us he has dne the work he has paid the full price? And he wants us to simply believe this truth? Unto babes are such things revealed? You scholars? You want confine Jesus to less than he isz? By words and yokes? Il have none of that placed on me brothers Jew gentile or Greek?