What Laws are still valid to christians

[4enlightment]

AND THAT WOULD BE AND IS THE SPIRIT OF THE law, NOT THE LETTER, YES OR NO?

John was going by the Letter of the Laws because he was practicing the ritual for purification by water, but he said that there's going to be One who will come and purify the soul by the use of the Holy spirit (His method) instead of water. Jesus was following the spiritual meaning of the Laws.

Today the chief use of the mikveh is for women, prior to marriage, following niddut, and following the birth of a child, since the laws of ritual impurity no longer apply after the destruction of the Temple. Mikveh immersion is also obligatory for converts, as part of the ceremony of conversion. In addition immersion in the mikveh is still practiced by various groups as an aid to spirituality, particularly on the eve of the Shabbat and festivals, especially Yom Kippur, and the custom still obtains, in accordance with Numbers 31: 22–23 to immerse new vessels and utensils purchased from non-Jews. At the beginning of the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century, mikveh immersion also frequently constituted a symbolic expression of a new spiritual beginning for both women and men, in all branches of Jewish practice. In addition to conversion toJudaism, rituals have developed incorporating mikveh immersion as part of bar mitzvah and bat mitzvah; prior to marriage for men as well as women; in cases of miscarriage, infertility, and illness; and following divorce, sexual assault, or other life-altering events. An indication of the probable long-term impact of this trend is the increased construction of mikva'ot by non-Orthodox Jewish communities in North America. Mikveh | Jewish Virtual Library

Isaiah 4:4The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.

John 6:63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

 

[Welshman]

It makes no odds how many sects of Jews or any Judaism rituals or any other thing these brothers comment on I can never see the love of Jesus in thier words il never understand the gulf but il never swap Christ for any other doctrine or way to get closer to god? Futile, never mind mediator administrator , Jesus is king? This comes with many offices and roles some he keeps some he delagates too bt its always his instruction il not argue and put Christ into parts or roles to argue a point of law? Christ himself is the law? The writer the holder the executor of everything its Jesus? He is so much more than most appreciate Jesus literally is what we call the be all and end all? Amen?

 

[Elin]

To Kelly. As I tell sinners every day, only God CAN give the GIFT of GRACE and only you can ASK for it.So Humble your seek and seek God to save you by His GRACE. In faith we Seek and in Grace God gives. But this eternal cov. of GRACE is a very humbling truth. With men salvation is impossible, only by Grace, power and mercy of God . can a sinner be transformed into a saint and be forgiven of sin. But, Once God has saved us, the sky is the limit; then our works are holy and acceptable to God , therefore , Noah found grace, and Mary , being a good, holy, women found grace to be the virgin to have God's son. Moses by grace found grace to be chosen to lead God's people. etc. etc.. Love to all, Hoffco

Many, many receive this gift without asking for it, or even looking for it, starting with Paul.

 

[Elin]

Some people can be very pigheaded.They think they know more than Christ and the N.T.. Just read and believe it. Jesus is God almighty He can do what ever He and the Father want to do. As Jesus He always obeys his eternal Father. As the eternal WORD,SON, He also obeys His eternal Father. Love to all ,Hoffco

Would it be good to address their pigheadedness with Scriptures which show their error?

 

[Elin]

Grace is not obtained by us or what we do? Its invisible its given unto us its free we cnt earn it never ever? Its workin in us tho this is an incredible thing? You believe in electricity dnt you bt you cnt see it? Like the wind you cnt see it but its there?

Is there a reason you use question marks (?) instead of periods (.) to end all your sentences?

 

[Elin]

This does:

Hebrews 8:1-4

Living Bible (TLB)

8 What we are saying is this: Christ, whose priesthood we have just described, is our High Priest and is in heaven at the place of greatest honor next to God himself. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He ministers in the temple in heaven, the true place of worship built by the Lord and not by human hands.

You do know that is referring to Christ, and not to God, right?

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And since every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices, Christ must make an offering too.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]

The sacrifice he offers is far better than those offered by the earthly priests. (But even so, if he were here on earth he wouldn’t even be permitted to be a priest because down here the priests still follow the old Jewish system of sacrifices.)

The point under discussion here was the dwelling place of God.

 

[Hizikyah]

If you didn't have your head so buried in that cult's bible translation, you'd know that even Jesus called it the law of Moses.

[Jesus] said to [the disciples], “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything that is written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and psalms must be fulfilled.” Luke 24:44

[Jesus said,] If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses would not be broken, are you angry with me because I made a whole man well on the Sabbath? John 7:23​

Thing is I get the feeling that you portray the Law of Yahweh as being created by Mosheh is=n your disregard for it. I could be wrong but that is the feeling I get. It is easier for people to discard it if they call it a man's law...

 

[Welshman]

No reason at all for question marks just way I type friend

 

[Elin]

Are you saying the NT states that Christ administered the New Covenant?

If so, could you give a reference?

Yes that through his death those that BELEIVE ARE MADE LY, IN GOD GIVING THEM NEW LIFE ONCE THEY SEE THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE for sins at all, not for anymore forgiveness from God
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So by Christ is it done or not?,

The point under discussion was did Christ "administer" the New Covenant, or "mediate" the New Covenant.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Thing is I get the feeling that you portray the Law of Yahweh as being created by Mosheh is=n your disregard for it. I could be wrong but that is the feeling I get. It is easier for people to discard it if they call it a man's law...

I don't have to pay attention to it because the spirit who gave that law, and is the righteousness demanded by that law, lives inside me instructing me as I go. The law says conduct yourself like GOD; the holy spirit inside me shows me how. This doesn't mean that I don't respect and honor the law, because I do. I just know how to use it lawfully.

 

[Welshman]

Wow now we are clutching at straws your analysing my typing to such depth? Clinical analysis maybe noble perhaps?, bt pointless, it displays the characteristics of oneself being so analytical, hence the emphasis on law and following it? I consider myself Jewish in my heart Israel and her history and politics is forever in my heart, bt as to be being Jewish outwardly and recitation of the holy scriptures with fervour and rigour? No I could never be such? I see such hypocrisy in it, and futility in the whole thing? Jesus my friend/brother/lord/master,? Simple to me

 

[Hizikyah]

I don't have to pay attention to it because the spirit who gave that law, and is the righteousness demanded by that law, lives inside me instructing me as I go. The law says conduct yourself like GOD; the holy spirit inside me shows me how. This doesn't mean that I don't respect and honor the law, because I do. I just know how to use it lawfully.

and this is a beautiful thing. I ask why do you debate me so much when I say we should subject ourselves to Yahweh's Law, I never say it is our justification? Just that it is His Instructions for who we are supposed to be, and the Spirit of Yahweh grants the proper view of what the letters say.

example Yahshua had Yahweh's Spirit on Him and He PERFECTLY understood its true purpose, the pharisees had a different spirit on them and they twisted it.

 

[Elin]

Not trying to go off subject, but man was not made alive in the Spirit of God prior to the eating of that tree of evil
Elin, nowhere before the fall of Adam and Eve is it ever stated that Adam and Eve were ever born of the Spirit of God.

Adam and Eve lost eternal life (no eternal life = spiritual death) when they rebelled against God,
which was evidenced in their eventual loss of physical life, "Dying (i.e., eternally), you shall die
(i.e., physically)." (Ge 2:17)

Therefore, all mankind is born dead in the sin of Adam and condemned (Ro 5:17; Col 2:13),
objects of God's wrath by their very nature (Eph 2:3), which is corrupted, sinful.

They must now be reborn into that eternal life (Jn 3:5) through faith,
to escape the condemnation (Jn 3:18) and wrath of God (Jn 3:36) into which they are born (Eph 2:3).

 

[Hizikyah]

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Revelation 14:9, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh."

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes = MARK OF YAHWEH (Ex13:9)

in his forehead or upon his hand = MARK OF BEAST (Rev 14:9)

Do you see how they are both competing for the same "hand" and "head"

upon your hand = your actions/works.

memorial between your eyes = your belief/faith.

 

[Kerry]

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Revelation 14:9, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh."

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes = MARK OF YAHWEH (Ex13:9)

in his forehead or upon his hand = MARK OF BEAST (Rev 14:9)

Do you see how they are both competing for the same "hand" and "head"

upon your hand = your actions/works.

memorial between your eyes = your belief/faith.

why do you need Jesus? law is sufficient for you evidently. Guess He just died for those who can't keep it, while those who can have no need of the cross.

 

[Kerry]

You are being hostile to the Gospel and trying to make the cross of Christ of no effect. The old covenant is gone, sorry but thats the truth.

 

[Elin]

AND THAT WOULD BE AND IS THE SPIRIT OF THE law, NOT THE LETTER, YES OR NO?

Actually, there is no "spirit of the law" and "letter of the law" in Scripture.

The phrase "letter of the law" is incorrectly used to mean the external, literal sense in Scripture, or obedience to the external, literal sense of Scripture, as being deadly (kills) or unprofitable;
while the "spirit of the law" is incorrectly used to mean the inner spiritual sense of Scripture, or our inner attitude, as being life giving.

However, in 2Co 3:6-9, "the letter" is simply "the law written," an external standard before which all people stand guilty and condemned to death (the letter kills).

The Spirit that gives life is the Spirit of the living God (v.3), not our inner attitude, or some "spiritual" sense of the words.

It is the Holy Spirit who writes that same law (the letter) inwardly "on tablets of human hearts," in fulfillment of the promise of the New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34), and the law is now an internal standard.
And the Holy Spirit likewise gives the believer love of God's law, as well as power to keep it, neither of which he had previously possessed.

So "the letter of the law" and "the spirit of the law" are unBiblical phrases used in opposition to one another, or as distinct and different from one another, in an incorrect understanding of the law and the Spirit.

 

[Elin]

Wow now we are clutching at straws your analysing my typing to such depth? Clinical analysis maybe noble perhaps?, bt pointless, it displays the characteristics of oneself being so analytical, hence the emphasis on law and following it? I consider myself Jewish in my heart Israel and her history and politics is forever in my heart, bt as to be being Jewish outwardly and recitation of the holy scriptures with fervour and rigour? No I could never be such? I see such hypocrisy in it, and futility in the whole thing? Jesus my friend/brother/lord/master,? Simple to me

An addendum to this?

No reason at all for question marks just way I type friend

 

[Welshman]

All mankind is born dead? What bull is this? Born dead? How are we alive then ? Ah spiritual life I hear you say? More bull? We only have a portion of spirit here and now if we were spiritually dead how come we hear Christ in the spirit today? Jesus had yahwehs spirit on him? No he never? Jesus is his own personage in spirit all things unseen were made by him? He dnt need the fathers spirit on him he and the father are one ( family) but two persons? You seem to suggest Jesus is not all he claims he is? That's upto you bt its defo not for me Jesus is more than man can fathom

 

[4enlightment]

All mankind is born dead? What bull is this? Born dead? How are we alive then ? Ah spiritual life I hear you say? More bull? We only have a portion of spirit here and now if we were spiritually dead how come we hear Christ in the spirit today? Jesus had yahwehs spirit on him? No he never? Jesus is his own personage in spirit all things unseen were made by him? He dnt need the fathers spirit on him he and the father are one ( family) but two persons? You seem to suggest Jesus is not all he claims he is? That's upto you bt its defo not for me Jesus is more than man can fathom

Spiritually dead is not able to grasp the concept to the moral of a story or unable to perceive the Heavenly Realm.

Matthew 13:13This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Matthew 16:11How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

Mark 14:41Returning the third time, he said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is delivered into the hands of sinners.

Luke 22:38The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.