What is the COVENANT of Daniel 9:27?
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How do you understand the statement of Daniel 9:26
"and unto the end of the war desolations are determined"
when is this war? and
When is the desolation?
The last week has been discussed in page 10 beginning #185 of this thread: read my response to zone.
40 years is nothing compare to 2000 years...(but that is not really the issue)
the first 69 weeks was the rebuilding of Jerusalem up to the cutting off the Messiah...and you agreed with this.
the last week was its destruction.
and to those who accept Jesus was the Messiah...
a further revelation was given to them regarding the timing of the destruction of the temple in Matthew 24. Mark 13 and luke 21 as the abomination of desolation spoken of Daniel.
I am no Amil...
I believe on a future reign of Christ here on earth.
I did not say that their tribulation is just three years:
The bible said that when they see the abomination...there will be great tribulation....It is just the beginning of their tribulation.
the 3.5 years after was the END OF WAR with the Roman....Ending at mount MASADA. then the desolation...
As I said..If that will happen I mis understand Daniel 9:27...If it happen tomorrow much better...But it does not make your interpretation 100 % right.
Just have to read first.
Isa 53:8 He was takenfrom prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he wascut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people washe stricken.
If Jesus did not do that...Who will?
They were just partially blinded.
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I think it is prety self explanitory
1. When did the desolation occure? When the people of the prince who is to come destroy the city and tmeple and leave it desolate.
2. When di this happen? AD 70
3. How long? Until a time determined.
My question to you is, who determines the time? Rome? Another gentile kingdom? The Jews? America? Or God?
well, You already installed a gap betwen the 69th and 70th week. Thus we must determine when the abomination takes place. Which STARTS the tribulation, which is a short time which will be ended by the return of Christ.
And where do you come up with this? jesus said he would return immediately following the tribulation. Because this tribulation would be so great, if he did not return, no life would survive on earth.
Thus either Christ returned after the destruction. Or the tribulation has not occured yet (I stick to the second. What happened in ad 70 was not the worse tribulation this earth has ever seen. Not even close.)
lol. no, but it would make it more believable. And yours less believable.
It has nothing to do with forgiving their transgression. It is the fact their transgressions stop. In other words, they repent, And no longer (as the prophets say) commit the transgressions. This did not occure in ad 70, or since. They are still as a nation transgressing against God.
It is good to understand that There was DESOLATION in AD70...because those who consider that the Abomination that maketh Desolate is still future will have problem as to when will be the NEXT DESOLATION:
Daniel 9:27 "...andfor the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate"
Where in the Last week is the DESOLATION?
As I understand it...Those who hold the same view as yours, understand that after the War with the Anti-Christ...Christ will established his kingdom...THE OPPOSITE OF DESOLATION:
As to who determined the period: God did:
Luk 21:24 And theyshall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into allnations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the timesof the Gentiles be fulfilled.
The first event was from the command to restore Jerusalem: 7+62 = 69 weeks
The second event: "The people of the prince to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" that is your reference for the second event.
and Daniel 9:27 gave you the detail of that second event:
When the abomination takes place:
From luke:
Luk 21:20 And when yeshall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereofis nigh.
Did you asked yourself, What DESOLATION was he talking about???apparently NOT, coz you will then understand that he was talking about the desolation Daniel spoke off.
Great Tribulation Period Began at the abomination that maketh Desolate...You agree with this and not at the beginning of the week?
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abominationof desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor evershall be.
Look What's in it:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs,and false prophets, and shall shewgreat signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceivethe very elect.
Another question for you: IF your antichrist is the abomination...Which false Christ and prophet in vs. 24?
Mat 24:29 Immediatelyafter the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moonshall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powersof the heavens shall be shaken:
YOU SEE...IT BEGAN In GREAT TRIBULATION...it ends in tribulation:
Yes, He will return after tribulation:
The Passage:
start: with the destruction of the temple
The question:
When these things be and your coming
It began in Great tribulation it ends in tribulation
Jesus will return Immediately after tribulation not Great Tribulation.
What happened in 70 AD is not the worst? what the nuclear war or Zech 14:12?
Did I not admit that IF THAT TIME COMES...my understanding of Daniel 9:27 is WRONG...It is unbelievable not "LESS" totally WRONG:
AND IF THAT TIME COMES: YOUR VIEW IS STILL UNRELIABLE...Because you would still need to have the DESOLATION.
Heb 9:26 For thenmust he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once inthe end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice ofhimself.
He put away sin....to those who can see this:
Did Christ end your sin or you have to wait for another one?
yep. they are going to rebuild a temple, and leave the veil out
yes it could have, The question is, Was it? I can see the priests being so scared not to even touch it. But that is just speculation. which is why I said would be a might be argument which can not be proven.
yes it could have, The question is, Was it? I can see the priests being so scared not to even touch it. But that is just speculation. which is why I said would be a might be argument which can not be proven.
Act 18:21 But badethem farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh inJerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed fromEphesus.
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Key word. A desolation. The temple being destroyed and the city was made desolate
The word desolation means to make uninhabitable. Which occured in 70 AD. Jerusalem was destroyed.
This is a far cry from an abomination which makes desolate. An abomination is an unclean thing. It makes a clean place desolate by making it unclean.
Two completely different things.
Again, if a temple is destroyed, There is no need of an abomination which makes desolate.
If you can learn what the two different things are. You would see there is not going to be another desolation from an abominable object which makes something unclean. The first one has not occured yet
lol. The desolation is in the middle of the last week.
lol. Again, You do not understand, A desolation by destruction is not the same as a desolation by abomination. Two completely different things.
A desolation by destruction occured in 70 AD.
A desolation by an abominable object standing in the holy place occures in the middle of the last week. rendering the temple unclean.
Of course this does not matter, it is a sign for ALL in judea to flee. Those who remain would be killed. so there would be no more sacrifice. For all we know. the world leader makes the temple his own, Until Christ destroys him.
What a better place than for satan to have the anti-christ. than to have it in the temple of Jerusalem?
Yep he did, So who are we to tell God how long he determins the city and temple to remain in desolation?
Yep. Like romans 11. Then what happens after? All Israel is saved.
Amen Praise God. And to all the gentiles who are saved with them. A great day in Gods planb is fulfilled.
Negative, Daniel 27 tells us what follos that event. And what will bring in the end of the age. And the return of Christ.
He was talking about the complete destruction of the city and temple. making the city desolate.
Again, This is not an abomination. An abomination is an idle or unclean thing, NOT AN ARMY
Great Tribulation Period Began at the abomination that maketh Desolate...You agree with this and not at the beginning of the week?
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abominationof desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor evershall be.
Look What's in it:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs,and false prophets, and shall shewgreat signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceivethe very elect.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abominationof desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation,such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor evershall be.
Look What's in it:
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs,and false prophets, and shall shewgreat signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceivethe very elect.
Read paul. These antichrists have been in the world since the begining of the church. Your not making any sense here.
Again, Your not making any sense here, I have no idea what your asking
Read revelation. You will see the great tribulation in true form. So severe the kings of the earth will try to hide under rocks and scream at God. Who can hide from Gods wrath. Even they in their unbelief understand what Gods wrath in tribulation will look like. Why can;t you?
Yep. And 3 1/2 years after the jews restore sacrifice. When a ruler from rome enters the holy of holies. and the whole world sees him desolate the holy place with an unclean thing (the abomination) you will then finally realise what the abomination which makes desolate is. You will also see many jews fleeing from judea into the mountains. And you better pray your faith is secure. Because you will be hunted down because of your faith in Christ.
That is why it is important to know these things are comming, so we can be ready. To say they are past is dangerous. And will leave people unprepaired.
Forgiveness of sin (putting and end to the penalty of sin), and making and end of transgressions (putting a stop to them) are two different things!
L
Only the High Priest went into the "Holy of Holies"...once a year. If there was no veil and no Holy of Holies, then Acts 18:21 isn't speaking of the Holy of Holies or the High Priest. Where in Scriptures does it say that the priests (not the High Priest) put up another veil...since it was God who "rent the veil" from top to bottom.
Do you have a definition for the combination? ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION
SCRIPTURALLY Can you prove the difference....
By the Way:
MAtthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21:
Refer to the destruction of the temple:
The discples ask for signs
WHAT SIGN/S DID JESUS GAVE IN MATTHEW,MARK AND LUKE AS TO WHEN THE TEMPLE (referring to the second temple) WILL BE DESTROYED?
By your own definition its abomination not desolation. TWO DIFFERENT THING
scripturally speaking can you prove the difference?
You are so funny...you know that.
That is what you learned in 30 years????
from Zech 14:2andthe residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city
So what will bring the end of the age?
What prophecy?
Remember They were talking About the destruction of temple...NOT DESOLATION of the CITY.
I have shown you an example about strangers in the sanctuary to pollute it (MAKING IT UNCLEAN): Did it not fit your definition?
Eze_44:7 In that yehave brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, anduncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house,when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenantbecause of all your abominations.
are you not referring to john?
Anyway....Your anti-Christ will be revealed at your abomination right......
read it...it seems that false Christs and Prophets arise after your abomination...don't you think its odd...False Christ after AntiChrist...
Let me put it this way:
Did it say...After the great tribulation????
Again...What a waste of 30 years...
the great tribulation is about the JEWS: (Wrath of God vs his people)
Luk21:23 But woe unto them that are withchild, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be greatdistress in the land, and wrath upon this people
The Wrath of God...particularly in Revelation 11:18 is against the nations;
Rev 11:18 And thenations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that theyshould be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants theprophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; andshouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Daniel 9 was fulfilled, but it does mean you are un prepared:
Jesus will come...and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
so even if they hunt me down to kill me...behead me... I shall rise again...
And that what Jesus Did...
Rom_4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where nolaw is, there is no transgression
Are you going to tell a Jew that he has to wait for Jesus to end his transgression?
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It is found in the defenition of the word abomination.
8251 שִׁקּוּץ [shiqquwts, shiqquts /shik·koots/] n m. From 8262; TWOT 2459b; GK 9199; 28 occurrences; AV translates as “abomination” 20 times, “detestable things” five times, “detestable” once, “abominable filth” once, and “abominable idols” once. 1 detestable thing or idol, abominable thing, abomination, idol, detested thing.
Strong, J. (2001). Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon. Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software.
9199 שִׁקּוּץ (šiq·qûṣ): n.masc.; ≡ Str 8251; TWOT 2459b—1. LN 53.33–53.40 vileness, i.e., a state of detestable uncleanness (Hos 9:10+); 2. LN 53.33–53.40 vile idol, i.e., an idol, and the pagan god which it represents, with a special focus of being an abominable, repulsive thing which causes covenantal uncleanness (Dt 29:16[EB 17]; 1Ki 11:5, 7; 2Ki 23:13,24; 2Ch 15:8; Isa 66:3; Jer 4:1; 7:30; 13:27; 16:18; 32:34; Eze 5:11; 7:20; 11:18, 21; 20:7, 8, 30; 37:23+), see also domain LN 6.96–6.101; 3. LN 53.33–53.40 filth, i.e., a vile object which can be thrown, and contact brings abhorrence and uncleanness (Na 3:6+); 4. LN 53.33–53.40 forbidden food, i.e., any of the food which cause uncleanness (Zec 9:7+), see also domain LN 5.1–5.22; 5. LN 53.33–53.40 unit: שִׁקּוּץ שָׁמֵם (šiq·qûṣ šā·mēm)1 abomination that causes desolation, a horrible thing which defiles, i.e., an object or event causing the vacating of a holy site (Da 9:27; 11:31; 12:11+)
Swanson, J. (1997). Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains : Hebrew (Old Testament). Oak Harbor: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Example. Antiochus epiphenies commited an abomination of desolation by sacrifing a pig (unclean animal) in the holy of holies, And yet aqgain, Yet historical precidence interpret scripture. The abomination of Dan 11 was this abomination. The abomination of daniels 9 and 12 should be the same
Just did, By using the example of Dan 11 with historical proof of the prince of cyrus who did it. Ithe little horn of Dan 11) and using the origional language to show the true interpretation.
It is not an army destroying something, The literal interpretation would be "detestable thing" which causes desolation
It also concerns the end of the age, and the return of Christ. AD 70 was not the end of the age. If you want to keep ignoring this. Then there is no need to continue. we will get no where.
Even Jesus said after all the things he said ,"the end (of the age) is not yet. The abomination marks the begining sign of the end of the age. Which is followed by his return. The abomination follows the birth pangs, It does not preced it.
He did not give a sign for that, He sust said it would happen. Then he said all these things would happen, Which are just the begining of sorrows (birth pangs) But when you see the abomination. Know the end is near.
Again your not making any sense!
Already did!
At least I learned? How long have you studied and you still can;t tell the difference?
lol. You have to ask? How many times do I have to tell you.
this is getting redundant
The return of the Lord. What else?
What? So only the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?
By refering to daniel. they would have understood the destruction of the city from vs 26. They were not stupid, they knew the OT. God did not have to explain it to them.
Did they destroy the temple?
Read the Whole NT. The man of sin is revealed when he sets himself up as God. Where do you think he does this?
Did what say? You need to be more specific. You seem to be talking in circles.
Your wrong. the great tribulation is worldwide.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
There were no jews in the begining of the world. No flesh, is no flesh on earth. The elect is us, Which is all over the world.
lol. Dan 9 can't be fulfilled.
The Coming Messiah
Verse 23: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sin, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy."
Notice that seventy weeks were determined upon the Jewish people and upon the Holy City Jerusalem to bring about six important conditions as mentioned in this verse.
When prophecies are given in relation to days, it has been definitely proven by passing events, that we must take each day for a year in their correct application. The prophet Ezekiel gives us this instruction chapter 4, verses 5 and 6.
We have also learned from chapter 7 how wonderfully the 1,260-day period applies to Rome and the work of the little horn power, the papacy.
This seventy-week period, reduced to days therefore equals 490 years, as there are 490 days in 70 weeks. At the end of this 490-year period, reconciliation was to be made for iniquity, and a means provided to forgive sins, or to make an end of sins; also to anoint the Most Holy.
Verse 25: The angel gave Daniel assurance that his prayers were going to be answered and a commandment would go forth sometime in the future to restore and to build Jerusalem. This gave him great hope and joy for the future of the city and people he loved. From the going forth of this commandment until the coming of the Messiah there was to be 69 weeks. After the "three score and two weeks" (one score being 20), the Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself. It was for others that he was to be cut off.
Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation.
Verse 23: "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sin, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and the prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy."
Notice that seventy weeks were determined upon the Jewish people and upon the Holy City Jerusalem to bring about six important conditions as mentioned in this verse.
When prophecies are given in relation to days, it has been definitely proven by passing events, that we must take each day for a year in their correct application. The prophet Ezekiel gives us this instruction chapter 4, verses 5 and 6.
We have also learned from chapter 7 how wonderfully the 1,260-day period applies to Rome and the work of the little horn power, the papacy.
This seventy-week period, reduced to days therefore equals 490 years, as there are 490 days in 70 weeks. At the end of this 490-year period, reconciliation was to be made for iniquity, and a means provided to forgive sins, or to make an end of sins; also to anoint the Most Holy.
Verse 25: The angel gave Daniel assurance that his prayers were going to be answered and a commandment would go forth sometime in the future to restore and to build Jerusalem. This gave him great hope and joy for the future of the city and people he loved. From the going forth of this commandment until the coming of the Messiah there was to be 69 weeks. After the "three score and two weeks" (one score being 20), the Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself. It was for others that he was to be cut off.
Notice verse 26 carefully, that after He is cut off there is to be a destruction of Jerusalem and a period of desolation.
The Starting Point
This line of prophecy would be meaningless if it were not for the definite starting place given. - "From the time the commandment goes forth to build Jerusalem" unto the Messiah the prince. - Verse 25.
Did such a commandment go forth and under what circumstances and when?
The Commandment Goes Forth
Daniel did not live to see the promise of Gabriel fulfilled, but we have a record of the decree, and a copy of the letter written by King Artaxerxes to Ezra the priest. This is in your Bible in the 7th chapter of the book of Ezra, verses 11 and 21.
While other decrees had been made concerning the rebuilding of the Temple and also that the Jews had before that began returning to Jerusalem, they were poverty stricken and powerless to rebuild the city and the temple without money. This, therefore, marks the time for the real decree and the basis for the starting of this prophecy of 70 weeks or 490 years.
Ezra 7:11, 12, 16: "Now this is a copy of the letter that the King Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest. . . .Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest... I make a decree that all the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites which are minded to go up to Jerusalem go with thee... And all the silver and gold in all the provinces of Babylon that thou canst find with all the freewill offerings of the priests for the house of God at Jerusalem." This whole chapter should be read.
The Jews were a hated people at this time and it required something tremendously shocking to bring these hated captives into favor throughout the nation,and cause such a decree as this to go forth in all the provinces of Babylon.
This line of prophecy would be meaningless if it were not for the definite starting place given. - "From the time the commandment goes forth to build Jerusalem" unto the Messiah the prince. - Verse 25.
Did such a commandment go forth and under what circumstances and when?
The Commandment Goes Forth
Daniel did not live to see the promise of Gabriel fulfilled, but we have a record of the decree, and a copy of the letter written by King Artaxerxes to Ezra the priest. This is in your Bible in the 7th chapter of the book of Ezra, verses 11 and 21.
While other decrees had been made concerning the rebuilding of the Temple and also that the Jews had before that began returning to Jerusalem, they were poverty stricken and powerless to rebuild the city and the temple without money. This, therefore, marks the time for the real decree and the basis for the starting of this prophecy of 70 weeks or 490 years.
Ezra 7:11, 12, 16: "Now this is a copy of the letter that the King Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest. . . .Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest... I make a decree that all the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites which are minded to go up to Jerusalem go with thee... And all the silver and gold in all the provinces of Babylon that thou canst find with all the freewill offerings of the priests for the house of God at Jerusalem." This whole chapter should be read.
The Jews were a hated people at this time and it required something tremendously shocking to bring these hated captives into favor throughout the nation,and cause such a decree as this to go forth in all the provinces of Babylon.
Gabriel had given the prophecy to Daniel that such a condition must come about in order for the decree to go forth upon which the prophecy of the coming Messiah was based, and He was able to bring this about. It was 17 years previous that the miraculous events recorded in the book of Esther took place, and this was what paved the way, bringing the Jews into favor among all the people. "Many in every province became Jews" (Esther 8:17).
There was a deep-seated meaning, and a far-reaching purpose in the events recorded in the book of Esther. Their real purpose should be made known every year in celebrating Purim.
At the top of the page on my Bible it gives the date 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth to build Jerusalem. This date agrees with all histories concerning the time when Artaxerxes was king and when Ezra was priest. Most English Bibles with concordances have the date at the top of the page when he recorded events occurred. We add 33 A.D. the year He was cut off and it makes exactly the 490 years.
Note that Gabriel said there was to be 70 weeks or 490 years after this commandment went forth until the Messiah came. Also that he was to be cut off and reconciliation would be made for iniquity, that is a means of forgiving sins, etc.
Now we go over to the New Testament and read in the ending chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where these events happened and find the date given at the top of the page 33 A.D. It was 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.
There was a deep-seated meaning, and a far-reaching purpose in the events recorded in the book of Esther. Their real purpose should be made known every year in celebrating Purim.
At the top of the page on my Bible it gives the date 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth to build Jerusalem. This date agrees with all histories concerning the time when Artaxerxes was king and when Ezra was priest. Most English Bibles with concordances have the date at the top of the page when he recorded events occurred. We add 33 A.D. the year He was cut off and it makes exactly the 490 years.
Note that Gabriel said there was to be 70 weeks or 490 years after this commandment went forth until the Messiah came. Also that he was to be cut off and reconciliation would be made for iniquity, that is a means of forgiving sins, etc.
Now we go over to the New Testament and read in the ending chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where these events happened and find the date given at the top of the page 33 A.D. It was 457 B.C. when the commandment went forth and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.
Note, however, that his 70 weeks was determined upon "THY PEOPLE," the Jews. -Verse 24. Notice also that there is another week not yet accounted for. - Verse 27. In the midst of this week, the Messiah was to cause the sacrifice to cease. Then following there was to be an overspreading of abomination and the land was to be desolate "UNTIL THE CONSUMATION." The consummation began with World War No. 1.
The Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself - Verse 26. Now in verse 27, we find that in the midst of this last week, HE WOULD CAUSE the sacrifice to cease. When he made his soul an offering for sin (Isaiah 53:8, 9, 10), the old system of sacrifices ended. The blood of the lamb offered twice daily was finished. This cutting off the Messiah (Isa. 53:8; also Daniel 9:27), happened in the midst of this seventieth week. Then there were three and a half years left to fulfill the 70 weeks exactly. The 70 weeks were determined upon Daniel's people.
During the following one half of this last week, or three and a half years, they refused to hear the message. The Messiah also said just before He was cut off, speaking of the Jews: "They shall fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:24).
During this three and a half years,they turned against their own race, put them in prison, and stoned them to death. Notice Acts 7:54 to 58, also chapter 8:1 to 3, and chapter 5:18 to 20 etc.
Just as there was a definite turning away from the gospel during this period, now at this end of Gentiles times, there is a positive change coming over Israel. "Blindness in part was to happen to Israel UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles had come in" (Romans 11:25). Now the Holy Spirit is coming upon Israel (Ezek. 36:24-27).
The Messiah was to be cut off, but not for Himself - Verse 26. Now in verse 27, we find that in the midst of this last week, HE WOULD CAUSE the sacrifice to cease. When he made his soul an offering for sin (Isaiah 53:8, 9, 10), the old system of sacrifices ended. The blood of the lamb offered twice daily was finished. This cutting off the Messiah (Isa. 53:8; also Daniel 9:27), happened in the midst of this seventieth week. Then there were three and a half years left to fulfill the 70 weeks exactly. The 70 weeks were determined upon Daniel's people.
During the following one half of this last week, or three and a half years, they refused to hear the message. The Messiah also said just before He was cut off, speaking of the Jews: "They shall fall by the edge of the sword and be led away captive into all nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:24).
During this three and a half years,they turned against their own race, put them in prison, and stoned them to death. Notice Acts 7:54 to 58, also chapter 8:1 to 3, and chapter 5:18 to 20 etc.
Just as there was a definite turning away from the gospel during this period, now at this end of Gentiles times, there is a positive change coming over Israel. "Blindness in part was to happen to Israel UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles had come in" (Romans 11:25). Now the Holy Spirit is coming upon Israel (Ezek. 36:24-27).
EG:
This is the point that the discussion with you has to end:
I asked: WHAT SIGN/S DID JESUS GAVE IN MATTHEW,MARK AND LUKE AS TO WHEN THE TEMPLE (referring to the second temple) WILL BE DESTROYED?
you reply: He did not give a sign for that, He sust said it would happen. Then he said all these things would happen, Which are just the begining of sorrows (birth pangs) But when you see the abomination. Know the end is near.
You want to defend your belief and yet you would not want to accept the truth:
Clearly the passage written by the three (matthew, mark and Luke) was about the destruction of the temple and the disciples asked for signs:
I do not deny that the Lord also gave signs about the coming of the Son of Man...but EG...
to deny the signs Jesus gave is just......immature:
Mat 24:2 And Jesussaid unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone uponanother, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto himprivately, saying, Tell us, when shallthese things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the endof the world?
Mar 13:1 And as hewent out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see whatmanner of stones and what buildings are here!
Mar 13:2 And Jesusanswering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not bethrown down. v3 And as he sat uponthe mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John andAndrew asked him privately, v4 Tell us, when shall these things be? andwhat shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adornedwith goodly stones and gifts, he said, v6 As for these things which yebehold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stoneupon another, that shall not be thrown down. v7 And they asked him, saying,Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when thesethings shall come to pass?
This is the point that the discussion with you has to end:
I asked: WHAT SIGN/S DID JESUS GAVE IN MATTHEW,MARK AND LUKE AS TO WHEN THE TEMPLE (referring to the second temple) WILL BE DESTROYED?
you reply: He did not give a sign for that, He sust said it would happen. Then he said all these things would happen, Which are just the begining of sorrows (birth pangs) But when you see the abomination. Know the end is near.
You want to defend your belief and yet you would not want to accept the truth:
Clearly the passage written by the three (matthew, mark and Luke) was about the destruction of the temple and the disciples asked for signs:
I do not deny that the Lord also gave signs about the coming of the Son of Man...but EG...
to deny the signs Jesus gave is just......immature:
Mat 24:2 And Jesussaid unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone uponanother, that shall not be thrown down. 3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto himprivately, saying, Tell us, when shallthese things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the endof the world?
Mar 13:1 And as hewent out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see whatmanner of stones and what buildings are here!
Mar 13:2 And Jesusanswering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not bethrown down. v3 And as he sat uponthe mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John andAndrew asked him privately, v4 Tell us, when shall these things be? andwhat shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adornedwith goodly stones and gifts, he said, v6 As for these things which yebehold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stoneupon another, that shall not be thrown down. v7 And they asked him, saying,Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when thesethings shall come to pass?
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