Perfection, Holyness, Purity.

[zone]

That resurrection and judgment are of unbelievers.

Rev 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God;
and the books were opened:
and another book was opened, which is the book of life:
and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

why is that little literary device AND so hard to understand?

 

[Cobus]

That resurrection and judgment are of unbelievers.

WELL DONE! They are the sinners. ALL SINNERS THAT WORKED INIQUITY.... WELL DONE HEROSE....
OR wait? You believe the sinners that believed Jesus died for their Iniquity will not be with those that did EXACTLY the same iniquity... Oh God has to be UNFAIR now to accomodate the "Holy Sinners"...

I hope you know, God does not know ANY ONE WHO WORK INIQUITY... IRRESPECTFUL OF HIS BELIEFS.... God is NOT aca accepter of the person, but the HOLY SPIRIT....
And every one that has the Holy Spirit CANNOT work iniquity, that is why they are NOT JUDGED, and they ARE NOT DEAD...


All the DEAD died in their SIN... All the alive in Christ repented from their sin and Christ HIMSELF REMOVED it from them and REPLACED IT WITH HIS WORKS.... They were ...That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

WOW!!!! IS God not great? There is NO SIN in ALL GOOD WORKS....

 

[zone]

still looking for a quick fix, eh Cobus?

repent of your sinfulness and unbelief.

have an actual literal total radical change of mind about it and do the hard hard work of stopping it.

...

let me know when you no longer need absolution (confession to the Lord, and cleansing).
according to your ideas, at that point you will BE (a) Jesus.
perhaps i will have to come to you and bend the knee.

 

[Isdaniel]

WELL DONE! They are the sinners. ALL SINNERS THAT WORKED INIQUITY.... WELL DONE HEROSE....
OR wait? You believe the sinners that believed Jesus died for their Iniquity will not be with those that did EXACTLY the same iniquity... Oh God has to be UNFAIR now to accomodate the "Holy Sinners"...

I hope you know, God does not know ANY ONE WHO WORK INIQUITY... IRRESPECTFUL OF HIS BELIEFS.... God is NOT aca accepter of the person, but the HOLY SPIRIT....
And every one that has the Holy Spirit CANNOT work iniquity, that is why they are NOT JUDGED, and they ARE NOT DEAD...


All the DEAD died in their SIN... All the alive in Christ repented from their sin and Christ HIMSELF REMOVED it from them and REPLACED IT WITH HIS WORKS.... They were ...That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

WOW!!!! IS God not great? There is NO SIN in ALL GOOD WORKS....

[h=3]2 Corinthians 5
[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]7 [/SUP](For we walk by faith, not by sight
[SUP]8 [/SUP]We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[Isdaniel]

Now we are gettting somewhere.... Just remember if God called a sinner to repent God will not STOP DRAWING the sinner until the sinner ARRIVES where God did CALL the sinner too...

Look people the Bible teaches this.... He that sanctify and they that ARE BEING SANCTIFY are ALL OUT OF ONE...
How ca nthat be? God knows eve nbefore the eart was made who the ones are that will be COMPLETED.... A person that is NEVER going to be FULLY sanctified is not ONE WITH GOD, and will NEVER BE ONE WITH GOD...

Now here is the thing you HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.... Even before the EARTH WAS MADE GOD WROTE the names of the ones that HE WILL SAVE IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.... God new every sinner he was going to make a holy man of God even before the sinner was a sinner....

God will not stop the JOB on a sinner, before God worked the whole salvation in the sinner... And God does not call, draw, lead, sanctify, glorify a person to be a sinner..... God takes a sinner and make him a HOLY MAN OF GOD,,, BORN OF GOD.

When is God FINISHED with a sinner? When the sinner is trnasformed into a person that God can place IN GOD. NO sinner can ENTER INTO GOD.... NOT ONE... God has to call/sanctify/justify/and glorify a sinner, to be IN HIM. Even if a person has only ONE SIN, that sin will be REPROVED to the person, that person will have to confess and repent of that sin, and God has to justify the person's sin with the work on the cross, and God has to forgive the sin, take it away, and seperate the person from the sin. NOw the sin is dealt with, and the man is as PURE as God, but the man is not YET GLORIFIED... He is just a Saint.... To complete the Saint God makes that saint ONE WITH HIM... HOW? By giveng the saint the HOLY SPIRIT.... Only now is GOD IN THE MAN, AND THE MAN IN GOD.

Look at Samaria, the city in Acts 8.... Only whne the Apostles laid hands on them, did they receive the Holy Ghost.

When God puts His Spirit in a man, God lives in the man, and the man lives in GOD. ONLY THEN.... And that happens AFTER SAINTSHIP... AFTER ALL SIN IS TAKEN AWAY... God CANNOT put HIs Spirit in a sinner, what will he do with the sinning spirit? Nope God has to WASH clean a spirit and soul before he can allow that spirit and soul into HIM. IN HIM IS NO SIN, and he will not allow ONE SIN INTO HIM.... NEVER....

[h=3]Psalm 51[/h]King James Version (KJV)

51 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

 

[Isdaniel]

Peace be with you, why? And this is the LORD's reminder and the stir up of our memories who walk in ignorance:
1. "Lukewarm (cunning), neither hot or cold. I will spit you out."
2. "Those who were choked with the thorn bushes are those who live to the necessity and pleasure of this earth and their fruit never ripens."
3. "The road (the narrow path) that leads to Heaven is 'very difficult to follow' and only a few will make it."
4. "Many are called but only a few are chosen."
5. "Making provision for the flesh to gratify it's desires."
6. "GOD do not use evil to temp us. We are tempted by our selfish feelings and desires. And when sin is done with us, it leaves for dead."

All of this for now is enough for all of us to ponder and understand where do we stand in all our efforts. Have we been obedient to the Words of GOD of our Covenant?
Then have we sown in the right places in our hearts and in others?

Know the LORD is coming soon and are we ready to give an account?

Please make peace with HIM before HE comes back and start living right all of you, including many Christians today, who have become an abomination, due to the lack of knowing first and then 'aiding' to grow according to the words of the Living MESSIAH of the New Covenant.

i am in trouble too because these things were highlighted to me first and then as i see the same with the LORD in others, i freely freely give for the awakening from ignorance may be due to others who are misleading and not acknowledging the Truth Teacher of the Holy Scriptures, the HOLY SPIRIT the anointing placed in us.

Romans 7

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

WELL DONE! They are the sinners. ALL SINNERS THAT WORKED INIQUITY.... WELL DONE HEROSE....
OR wait? You believe the sinners that believed Jesus died for their Iniquity will not be with those that did EXACTLY the same iniquity... Oh God has to be UNFAIR now to accomodate the "Holy Sinners"...

I hope you know, God does not know ANY ONE WHO WORK INIQUITY... IRRESPECTFUL OF HIS BELIEFS.... God is NOT aca accepter of the person, but the HOLY SPIRIT....
And every one that has the Holy Spirit CANNOT work iniquity, that is why they are NOT JUDGED, and they ARE NOT DEAD...


All the DEAD died in their SIN... All the alive in Christ repented from their sin and Christ HIMSELF REMOVED it from them and REPLACED IT WITH HIS WORKS.... They were ...That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

WOW!!!! IS God not great? There is NO SIN in ALL GOOD WORKS....

Cobus, I know you mean well, but IMO, you simply have no idea what the path of righteousness is and your words and teachings make you an enemy of the cross of Christ.

 

[tdrew777]

WELL DONE!
And every one that has the Holy Spirit CANNOT work iniquity, that is why they are NOT JUDGED, and they ARE NOT DEAD...

Mat 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

Cobus, how does the Christian perfection that YOU are talking about differ from the perfection that THIS verse is talking about?

 

[my_adonai_]

If we say that we can not live without sinning then why ask the Lord to forgive us if we still believe in our hearts that we WILL sin?

 

[my_adonai_]

And everyone saint , non saint are going to be judged.
God is no respecter of person.

1Co_3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co_3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


2Ti_4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Why would God spare saints? How does HE give us our crowns if HE does not judge us?

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=1]2 Corinthians 5 [SUP]


10 [/SUP]For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
[/h] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[my_adonai_]

Thank you brother Daniel for those verses

 

[Isdaniel]

Mat 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

Cobus, how does the Christian perfection that YOU are talking about differ from the perfection that THIS verse is talking about?

HEBREWS 12

[SUP]22 [/SUP]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[Isdaniel]

[SUP]
MATTHEW 25

31 [/SUP]When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

[SUP]32 [/SUP]And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

 

[Isdaniel]

WELL DONE! They are the sinners. ALL SINNERS THAT WORKED INIQUITY.... WELL DONE HEROSE....
OR wait? You believe the sinners that believed Jesus died for their Iniquity will not be with those that did EXACTLY the same iniquity... Oh God has to be UNFAIR now to accomodate the "Holy Sinners"...

I hope you know, God does not know ANY ONE WHO WORK INIQUITY... IRRESPECTFUL OF HIS BELIEFS.... God is NOT aca accepter of the person, but the HOLY SPIRIT....
And every one that has the Holy Spirit CANNOT work iniquity, that is why they are NOT JUDGED, and they ARE NOT DEAD...


All the DEAD died in their SIN... All the alive in Christ repented from their sin and Christ HIMSELF REMOVED it from them and REPLACED IT WITH HIS WORKS.... They were ...That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

WOW!!!! IS God not great? There is NO SIN in ALL GOOD WORKS....

[h=3]Zechariah 3
[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of the Lord stood by.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If we say that we can not live without sinning then why ask the Lord to forgive us if we still believe in our hearts that we WILL sin?

WILL sin, or CAN sin? Big difference in attitude.

 

[chubbena]

Didn't John say His commands are not grievous? It's the modern day Pharisees who added much to and taken much from His commands that confused the matter.

 

[konroh]

The one question I would have for Cobus and any others who believe in perfection in this life is this: Do you understand where those who don't believe in perfection are coming from? Why they would say this? I'm not asking you to agree with the idea of non-perfection, or whether you think it's biblical or not, do you even understand the position? If so explain why a person would believe in non-perfection--not that you have to agree with it, but just show you understand it.

 

[konroh]

Ignoble bump.

 

[Cobus]

Mat 5:48 "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect"

Cobus, how does the Christian perfection that YOU are talking about differ from the perfection that THIS verse is talking about?

It does not differ AT ALL... There si only ONE PERFECTION.. PERFECT AS FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT.... RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.
We ask God a LOT of things, in the prayer.... We ask ...Father let Thy will be done on earth as in heaven. How is HIS will done in heaven? PERFECT!
We ask FATHER lead us not into temptaion but DELIVER US FROM EVIL... Is SIN ELVIL? if GOD delievers me (take me out of evil) can I still do IT? Oh if that is true, why ASK God t odo it if HE CANNOT DO IT...

You people MOCK God's ability to save and deliver.... God does so PERFECTLY... He delivers you from evil so well that you CANNOT SIN....

MY_Adonai.... Jesus said to Father... Father I do not want you to take them out of this wicket, sinning world, but that you shall KEEP THEM FROM EVIL.... WOW! If God keeps me from evil, HOW CAN I SIN? If I do sin when God is supposed to keep me from evil God does not do a very good job does HE? Nope many of these people make a mockery of the POWER of the Holy Spirit.... God can, and does KEEP ALL HIS CHILDREN IN PERFECTION.... There is NO EVIL in them, and they are NOT ONE GRAIN EVIL WITH SIN.... NOT ANY!

Thank the LORD HE IS THE ONE THT EVEN SAVES ME FROM THIS WRECHED BODY.... RIGHT HERE ON EARTH.... God CAN KEEP ME FROM EVIL ....100%

Noe SAINTS were judged in the spirit when they were princes of this world, they are now BROTHERS OF CHRIST and they have BOLDNESS is the day,,, READY TO RECIEVE THEIR GOOD REWARDS... a GLORIOUS EVERLASTING BODY.... No "bad judgement, but GOOD REWARD. The GOOD reward will be given from the SAME JUDGMENT THROWN/SEAT, but it would be TWO GROUPS... First the SAINTS, and then the sinners.... The SAINTS will be CLOTHED with their TERRESTRIAL bodies, and the sinners will be JUDGED...

There is NO JUDGEMENT for SAINTS, although they will APPEAR before the lord in the judgement room, but NOT for judgement, it will be for REWARD.... GREAT IS THE REWARD that awaits the righteous men of God. AND BAD is the reward of the UNRIGHTEOUS... See two rewards, one of GREATNESS, and one of BAD... One is a reward of Jesus that HE says is good, and the other is of Jesus that says it is BAD. One is a reward where the receivers have boldness, and the other is a reward where the recevers are JUDGED FOR BAD THINGS...

And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward
is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.