Christian Women Please Dress More Modestly

[Praus]

Christian Women Please Dress More Modestly

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[Exoaria]

The only idea of what a "harlot" looks like is based on our social norm that we've created today. Don't you understand that Adam and Eve were naked? There was never meant to be this sense of shame that we all have, but this is a perfect example of Christians feeling as if the more "righteous" thing to do is to cover up their skin; or do you not know that your righteous acts are like filthy pieces of cloth?

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

The woman in this video is approaching Christianity from a moral performance, saying that if you dress more modestly it's going to please God and it's going to express yourself in the light that you are a more righteous and respectful person; or do you not know that to the corrupt mind nothing is pure?

Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

Do you not know that the only thing you have on your side is faith?

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I see these videos and it just screams a moral agenda. You do not need to convince a woman who is dressing provocatively to not dress the way that she is dressing, as all your are doing is imposing your "righteous" understanding onto them and giving them a law mentality that if they do something they will have a better standing in their "Christian walk" and I think it is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't care how another girl dresses because I am not going to look at her in that way. Christ has purified me, because of him I can see girls for their real beauty and not be absolutely caught up in thinking of them in some fallen reality. The woman in this video is coming from the corrupted mindset, assuming that men are going to defile their purity based on a dress sense that society has created as socially acceptable. I can tell you that to the corrupted, nothing is pure. Not even your most modest clothes, even those are corrupt to the impure. Your "righteous clothes" and "modest apparel" in order to please God are like filthy rags. You're stuck in a paradox because you're assessing things from a fallen reality.

Stop focusing on all the do's and don'ts and start focusing on Jesus. Let God put His laws in your mind and your heart, then see how you want to dress. Don't listen to some woman preaching her own "good, sound and holy" opinions on what is and isn't acceptable. That's not spiritual, because we're unspiritual beings. It's only by the Spirit that we live by faith.

 

[JoyofLord]

I agree with Exoaria when you focus on Jesus you will respect yourself more and you will know who you are in Christ and how much he loves you so we will naturally want to dress respectful because we will respect ourselves for the amazing creation that we are in God, we won't have to try it will come naturally.

 

[Ugly]

The only idea of what a "harlot" looks like is based on our social norm that we've created today. Don't you understand that Adam and Eve were naked? There was never meant to be this sense of shame that we all have, but this is a perfect example of Christians feeling as if the more "righteous" thing to do is to cover up their skin; or do you not know that your righteous acts are like filthy pieces of cloth?

Yes, they were, until they ate of the fruit. Then shame and lust were possibilities. And they felt the need to cover themselves. God did not correct this desire, but instead recognized it. And the very condition that started this, is passed down to every one of us. So regardless of God's original intentions, once sin entered the world, things changed. And are still in this altered state. Even to the point that God encourages modest dress, especially among women.
And to insult someone for trying to live to the standards the NT says we should is just wrong. Not to mention judgmental. People are trying to honor God, and you misapply scripture to put down this attempt. Righteous acts done to earn Gods favor, by your own power are meaningless to God. Righteous acts done with an intent to honor and glorify God are not so meaningless. So you're judging a persons heart and intent, and misapplying scripture to your judgment to support it.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Strangest rationalization I've seen: "Sensuality is good! I'm sensual because I believe in Jesus."

 

[Exoaria]

Yes, they were, until they ate of the fruit. Then shame and lust were possibilities. And they felt the need to cover themselves. God did not correct this desire, but instead recognized it. And the very condition that started this, is passed down to every one of us. So regardless of God's original intentions, once sin entered the world, things changed. And are still in this altered state. Even to the point that God encourages modest dress, especially among women.
And to insult someone for trying to live to the standards the NT says we should is just wrong. Not to mention judgmental. People are trying to honor God, and you misapply scripture to put down this attempt. Righteous acts done to earn Gods favor, by your own power are meaningless to God. Righteous acts done with an intent to honor and glorify God are not so meaningless. So you're judging a persons heart and intent, and misapplying scripture to your judgment to support it.

Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

If she were simply dressing in clothes that fit the standard for a modest woman in order to... glorify God, or whatever she's doing, that's fine. I don't understand the logic behind it, and that's fine too. However— she's not. She's making a YouTube video about it, and trying to say that if people don't glorify God, as you put it, in her way that they are somehow doing it wrong. If someone looks at a woman in an impure way, that's entirely to do with the person lusting looking at the woman not out of love but out of a fallen assessment of who she is.

It's not me that works to do of God's good pleasure, neither is it this woman on YouTube. It's God in us, manifesting us. We had something that told us what the standards we should live by are, it's called the Law, or as Paul puts it "the ministry of sin and death" — I have no doubt that your intentions are good. You're just trying to live the Christian life, that's okay. I am in direct opposition to this, though. I'm sorry. I take everything that Paul said to act like as a prophetic insight as to how we are going to behave as we have been born of God's seed (1 John 3:9). You're more than welcome to keep... living your righteous life to the New Testament standard to please God (and don't tell me that it's not to please Him because if you didn't think it was, you wouldn't be doing it and criticizing me for judging someone else for doing it). I'm not going to beat you for that, but I certainly am not going to encourage it.

It's Jesus + nothing = perfect living.
A sanctification process of faith and manifestation of the living God. Send an inbox to Cobus sometime, I disagree with 60% of what he says but in my opinion he's hit some beautiful revelation on "sanctification". I don't have it right, and you sure as hell don't either, but from where I was to where I am now I could never preach another gospel. This is a faith trip, not a works trip. I will not dress up the Law as "intentionally striving to live a good and Holy life as the Christian should because they have been redeemed by Jesus".

 

[ServantStrike]

Strangest rationalization I've seen: "Sensuality is good! I'm sensual because I believe in Jesus."

Lets go on sinning so that grace may increase!!

 

[shrimp]

The only idea of what a "harlot" looks like is based on our social norm that we've created today. Don't you understand that Adam and Eve were naked? There was never meant to be this sense of shame that we all have, but this is a perfect example of Christians feeling as if the more "righteous" thing to do is to cover up their skin; or do you not know that your righteous acts are like filthy pieces of cloth?

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

The woman in this video is approaching Christianity from a moral performance, saying that if you dress more modestly it's going to please God and it's going to express yourself in the light that you are a more righteous and respectful person; or do you not know that to the corrupt mind nothing is pure?

Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

Do you not know that the only thing you have on your side is faith?

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

I see these videos and it just screams a moral agenda. You do not need to convince a woman who is dressing provocatively to not dress the way that she is dressing, as all your are doing is imposing your "righteous" understanding onto them and giving them a law mentality that if they do something they will have a better standing in their "Christian walk" and I think it is absolutely ridiculous.

I don't care how another girl dresses because I am not going to look at her in that way. Christ has purified me, because of him I can see girls for their real beauty and not be absolutely caught up in thinking of them in some fallen reality. The woman in this video is coming from the corrupted mindset, assuming that men are going to defile their purity based on a dress sense that society has created as socially acceptable. I can tell you that to the corrupted, nothing is pure. Not even your most modest clothes, even those are corrupt to the impure. Your "righteous clothes" and "modest apparel" in order to please God are like filthy rags. You're stuck in a paradox because you're assessing things from a fallen reality.

Stop focusing on all the do's and don'ts and start focusing on Jesus. Let God put His laws in your mind and your heart, then see how you want to dress. Don't listen to some woman preaching her own "good, sound and holy" opinions on what is and isn't acceptable. That's not spiritual, because we're unspiritual beings. It's only by the Spirit that we live by faith.

Don't you know that nakedness was and is reserved for married couples, Husband and Wife? People do need to keep their eyes on Jesus and part of that is representing Him. Christians NEED to be moral, if not then how can we be a peculiar people?

 

[KeeganGentle]

I'm begining to realise why so many people complain when they see a modesty thread... There are so many, and no one will ever agree on the subject.

Anyway my two cents are their are limits, that have to be abided by both sides. Most people are on one of two extremes, no limit or absolute limit. I think that woman should dress appropriately but also be allowed fashion and comfort in their clothes, and men especially need to learn self-control so that we don't put all the pressure on the woman.

 

[ServantStrike]

I'm begining to realise why so many people complain when they see a modesty thread... There are so many, and no one will ever agree on the subject.

Anyway my two cents are their are limits, that have to be abided by both sides. Most people are on one of two extremes, no limit or absolute limit. I think that woman should dress appropriately but also be allowed fashion and comfort in their clothes, and men especially need to learn self-control so that we don't put all the pressure on the woman.

I don't see men demanding burkas. Just don't have your lady parts hanging out, and perhaps don't wear clothing so incredibly form fitting that you can see every line and detail unless you're wearing it for a performance of some sort (like gymnastics). And.. the guys have known that for decades, it's called a dance belt, so that certain things don't poke through the tights.

Otherwise, yes it's our job not to lust over women to the point where they can't go out in a cocktail dress without us falling into temptation. Why do you think I have the stuff in my sig I do? There are a lot of men who actively strive to keep a pure mind. It's why some of us get so irritated when we mention hey, don't dress like you're on a street corner, and then others say - no it's my right to dress however I want, deal with it.

Maybe you've never been to a church sponsored event where women are wearing tube tops and string bikinis, but I promise you it exists.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

What about men? is it OK for them to dress with "their parts haning out"? (not my words)

 

[Praus]

What about men? is it OK for them to dress with "their parts haning out"? (not my words)

The Spirit should lead Christian men to think, act and dress appropriately.

Matt 10:16 ¶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

 

[ServantStrike]

The Spirit should lead Christian men to think, act and dress appropriately.

Matt 10:16 ¶ Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

This

What about men? is it OK for them to dress with "their parts haning out"? (not my words)

I hope those men get a bad case of zipper snag and learn not to do that again. If your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out, if your arm causes you to sin cut it off...

No, it's not okay at all.

 

[shrimp]

What about men? is it OK for them to dress with "their parts haning out"? (not my words)

NO (more characters because I have to -_-)

 

[Exoaria]

I'm begining to realise why so many people complain when they see a modesty thread... There are so many, and no one will ever agree on the subject.

Anyway my two cents are their are limits, that have to be abided by both sides. Most people are on one of two extremes, no limit or absolute limit. I think that woman should dress appropriately but also be allowed fashion and comfort in their clothes, and men especially need to learn self-control so that we don't put all the pressure on the woman.

My problem is that I can't create an entire theology around why it's so ridiculous to be arguing about these things and then the flaws in my argument get pointed out and I don't know how to answer without it just becoming this absolutely unnecessary argument. I guess my first answer is all that needs to be said.

It doesn't matter what I write. People will ALWAYS find a way to make what I write about "do's and don'ts" because of the law based mentality.

I completely agree with you though.

 

[BowTied]

As a guy, going back to high school (Catholic high school where the guys had to wear ties, so I made mine bow ties from day one of freshman year), I've made it my "signature look" to be fully suited, buttoned-up, and bow tied daily. Kind of helps that my job kind of necessitates that I be at least in a suit and tie. For church as well, suits and bow ties. When I see women in church, it much more catches my eye if they're modestly attired, such as a nice dress, or - even better - a skirted suit. Showing respect for God and for themselves.

 

[mystdancer50]

Modesty is a huge issue, mainly because it isn't an issue. Does that make sense? Most churches refuse, absolutely refuse, to touch on the subject of modesty and purity. To each his/her own has become the norm. So, people shrug their shoulders and think it's okay, so long as the person isn't naked. Even then, sometimes they can justify that as well.

Yes, be modest. Yes, be covered. Yes, be fashionable. You don't have to dress like a nun, but keep yourself covered. I surely don't want to see cleavage and leg on ladies in church (or in the world, for that matter, but I focus on those professing to be godly and holy and pure, not the lost, when it comes to this topic). I think Rebecca St. James is an awesome example of modesty and why we should be modest as women. She dresses so modestly and beautifully and is fashionable. Nicely done.

These were some photos I took of clothing ads in Teen Vogue, showing that one can be fashionable and be covered. I posted this on my Instagram account.

 

[Liamson]

Next time someone asks me what a Straw man is, I'm going to point them here.

My perspective falls in line with Exoaria.

 

[Exoaria]

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[breno785au]

I think a mature person who has the love of Christ in their heart, male nor female would recognise if their dress could possibly cause a brother or sister to stumble. Sometimes we get it wrong too. Sexual perversion is something ive submitted myself to since a young child and since being born again its taken years for my mind to untangle that mess and its a journey ive gone through God. So because a brother may look at another sister in lust because of her does not necessarily mean that hes perverted, it may be an area that he is weak in and still getting through it. There's a difference between someone working through it and another flat out perverting without conscience.,. One may say 'i have the right to wear what i want, if you look at me in lust its your own perverted mind.' Where's the love for one another in that? We are to deny ourselves our own pleasure if it causes another to stumble.