Perfection, Holyness, Purity.

[Cobus]

Like I say, I am only Saint, this process has to be completed still , Eph 4:11 t o13...

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

I am a saint still needed to be perfectd, but I am taken from sin and sin is taken away from me... Praise God of Holinss that still do save sinners to be HIS HOLY PERFECT CHILDREN HERE IN THIS PRESENT WORLD...

For me there is ONE STEP left... the PERFECTING OF SAINT COBUS.... And because GOD IS FAITHFUL He shall do it.

Now I truly am worried.... Tdrew you think I will go to hell for making spelling mistakes, if that is so, I will stop typing. Fortunately when God does fill me with His Spirit, HE WILL SPELL CORRECT will he not? I TRUST HIM, with ALL things, even my bad spelling.

ONe thing there is NO mistake, is my love for God and my love for the people, ALL PEOPLE... Even my enemies....

My enemies are the ones that consider me as enemy, I consider no one as enemy, not even Satan. He is God's enemy not mine! I pity Satan, because he has NO chance, not even ONE! Not on me,and not on my Lord....

Have a blessed day my friend, and thank yo for your understanding, I can SEE God's Truth in you. It is HIM that showed you the Truth not me. I can share Truth and type truth messages, and quote Scripture, and copy and paste the KJV, but ONLY God CAN REVEAL Scripture to any person....This is how I know how CLOSE a person is to GOD... by the LIVING WATERS given to that person.

Tdrew, I judge a person to Scripture... I take the person, put him to the test with Scripture, and I know EXACTLY where that person is in the Bible....

The FIRST thing God show ALL people, is how big a sinner they are.... When God calls a sinner, God CALLS A SINNER... And if the sinner starts to HEAR AND SEE GOD, that sinner starts to confess his sin,and start to ADRESS that sin. And the adress is....TO THE CROSS OF JESUS!!!! THat sinner takes the sin to the cross of Jesus.... TO DIE THERE!!!! not decorate the cross, TO DIE THERE....

Then I know the sinner is REPENTING.... And I know exactly where he stands with God.... Same with saints, and same with the COMPLETED HOLY MAN OF GOD.... There is only three stages in the process.... Repenting sinner, Saint and perfect man of God. So that is the three levels of GODLY PROCESS TO ALL SAVED MEN....

 

[tdrew777]

Cobus, we have Christ in common. We can rejoice in that!

 

[Cobus]

Tdrew, I enjoy EVERY peron. I see a sinner that does not know God as a potentioal brother in Christ. I see all sinners, as the OLD COBUS. And he was as lost as they were... And NOW? The Cobus God so loved that HE SEPERATED FROM THE OLD MAN, TO THE PRESENCE OF GOD HIMSELF... How can that sanctified Cobus not hope that GOD WILL DO THE SAME FOR AT LEAST SOME OF THE PEOPLE COBUS MEETS? nd because I have always been an optimist, EVERY stranger is a potential brother in Chrsit. And if he did not turn out to be one, MY SLATE IS STILL SPOTLESS...


God says I should be kind to strangers, for I might not know when I house an angel of God. And I do not want to not treat an angel of God with bad attitude, so my attitude to ALL people, is.... This might be a man of GOD. Respect him until he shows otherwise, then do as God taught you to do....


My friend God's Truth is setting us BOTH free from all evil, I can recognise the Truth in you. IF it is in the Word of God, it is TRUTH (John 17:17) if it is not, it is not of God, and not part of my doctrine and faith. As easy as that.


This Cross Gospel that we shoud believe in the cross, is a DEAD Gospel.... Jesus rose from the DEAD, AFTER the cross... if we do not get to that RISEN LIFE AFTER THE CROSS, we DIED ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CROSS, AND WE LIKE ALL SINNERS WILL GO TO OUR FATHER THE DEVIL//// NOT To the Father in heaven....


ALL SINNERS ARE GOING TO HELL.... There will be NO excuses thatwill fool God.... He paid for the sin you REPENT FROM, not for sin you DIE IN. Jesus came not to call righteous men, but SINNERS TO REPENT!! No repent, no saving... As easy as that.


And he will not PASS one single sin... HE will reproof you of ALL SIN, not some ALL.... And if you repent, yu NAIL IT TO THE CROSS TO DIE.... And if ALL sin died, HE WILL RESURRECT HIS SON IN YU TO LIVE A HOLY PERFECT AND GODPLEASING LIFE ON EARTH.... HE IN YOU, YOU IN HIM...And there is NO SIN in that llife, NONE!


God bless the readers to understand Your salvation is indeed a GLORIOUS SALVATION FROM GOD IN HEAVEN. AMEN!

 

[Cobus]

Cobus, we have Christ in common. We can rejoice in that!

Jesus is the Truth, and the Truth will make us free... As the Truth grows in us, so the lies dies.... And when all lies died, we are made free in Truth, then only THEN can God give us HIS HOLY LIFE AND PERFECT LOVE. He seals us in His Truth to live as HE WOULD IN FLESH.... And HE DOES IT, SO THE GLORY OF GOD CAN LIVE ON EARTH... WOW!!!!

May God come take my place, so HE CAN GLORIFY HIS NAME ONCE AGAIN IN THE SALVATION UNTO A GODLY MAN, AMEN!

 

[my_adonai_]

You need to learn from the bible not Cobus

We can never stop sin in thoughts

Was not david a man after Gods own heart hmmmmm just a thought

[h=3]2 Corinthians 10:3-5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5[/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[h=3]Ephesians 4:23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;


[h=3]Matthew 22:37-46[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


DAVID did choose to sin.!!..

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Isdaniel, herosefromthedead, mydear friends, you are VERY close to become Saints as well. IF God unlocks this Scripture for you today, you will lay down the LIE and the DECIET you believed for so long....
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LORD PLEASE REVEAL YOUR TRUTH TO KERRY, ISDANIEL AND HEROSE, AMEN!

I already am a holy one. The holy spirit sanctifies those in whom it dwells.

LORD PLEASE REVEAL COBUS' SIN to HIM, AMEN!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This Cross Gospel that we shoud believe in the cross, is a DEAD Gospel.... Jesus rose from the DEAD, AFTER the cross... if we do not get to that RISEN LIFE AFTER THE CROSS, we DIED ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CROSS, AND WE LIKE ALL SINNERS WILL GO TO OUR FATHER THE DEVIL//// NOT To the Father in heaven....


ALL SINNERS ARE GOING TO HELL.... There will be NO excuses thatwill fool God.... He paid for the sin you REPENT FROM, not for sin you DIE IN. Jesus came not to call righteous men, but SINNERS TO REPENT!! No repent, no saving... As easy as that.


And he will not PASS one single sin... HE will reproof you of ALL SIN, not some ALL.... And if you repent, yu NAIL IT TO THE CROSS TO DIE.... And if ALL sin died, HE WILL RESURRECT HIS SON IN YU TO LIVE A HOLY PERFECT AND GODPLEASING LIFE ON EARTH.... HE IN YOU, YOU IN HIM...And there is NO SIN in that llife, NONE!

This belief is Finneyist (and ultimately Pelagian) in nature. He believed and taught that only fully sanctified persons were justified, and they are only holy to the extent that they keep the law. In other words, only those who are completely obedient to the law (no sin) are sanctified, and only those who are fully sanctified will be justified. Finney's Pelagianism later devolved into sinless perfectionism, which we are witnessing manifest itself here.

Finney had it completely backwards. We are first justified by Christ's death, then sanctified by his indwelling spirit that seals us unto the day of redemption (perfection).

 

[Cobus]

I am no Finny something. I NEVER said to keep the Law not EVER so again your judgment is unfounded and lies my dear friend.
You say you have the Holy Spirit in you? And you admit you sin, so where is the Holy Spirit when you sin? PLEASE teach me from the Word of God where is the Holy Spirit in you when you do sin?

Let us say you go to a strip show and your tongue is hanging out your mouth druling for the woman naked dacning in front of you, where is that Holy Spirit in you when you were in church on Sunday?

Man it makes NO sence, that God's Spirit is in a man that lies naked on his neighbours wife....It makes NO sence! And then on Sunday that man and woman is FILLED with the HOLY SPIRIT... WOW!

Please tell me where is God's Spirit the moment you enjoy sin... OK, teach where and how does the Holy Spirit of God becomes part of a sinner.

I know no FInny, I care about no Finny, so stop playing Finny... I have NEVER even herd of Finny...Is Finny in the Bible? NOPE then leave Finny in peace where-ever or whoever he may be. I care not what Finny says or does... I know what I know from the Word of God, and ONLY the Word of God, it is you dragging all kinds of filthy rags into our HOLY conversation... So share with me where is the Holy Spirit of God when you sin?

 

[Cobus]

Isdaniel and Herose... is this true or not...
2 Cor 5:17...Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Do you believe ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW?

Let me ask you this... what of ALL THINGS do you not understand...
Let me name you what is made new in this GLORIOUS CREATURE OF GOD.....
1. The flesh is made new.
2. The Mind is mae new.
3. The soul is made new.
4. The life in the flesh is made new.
5. The Spirit is made new.
6. The heart is made new.
7. The Words is made new.
8. The works /actions is made new.
9. The glory of God is made new.
10. The whole being is made NEW!

And not a sngle thing of the OLD is still there. NOTHING... As long as there is one little grain of the old still there, the NEW HAS NOT COME.... Get it... ALL NEW or NOTHING NEW...

 

[Cobus]

I do not care what David did, he is not my God or my saviour or my example.... JESUS IS ALL FOR ME! ALL! I care what Jesus did and said and does... And do you even know what Jesus said? He said.... Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Nothing you or I can say, will EVER change this... Jesus said it and He meant it. Either you believe it or you do not! Me? I believe it. 100% I believe it.

I know Jesus would NEVER have said it, if He does not DO IT... So I trust Him and believe Him... His will will be done in me...

 

[Enow]

You are dead to the law. Your flesh is obviously still alive, and is not the EXACT image of Jesus. Only your spirit is. Your flesh is the image of Adam.

Salvation and discipleship are two different things, but the hope is still placed on Him which needs to be applied with His help & by His grace:

Our salvation rests on Him.

Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Our discipleship rests on Him. May He enables us to hear Him & follow Him as we trust Him as our Good Shepherd as well as being the Author & Finisher of our faith since we are the works of His hands.

John 8:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free in indeed.
Romans 8:[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

1 John 3:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure....[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Romans 6:[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

2 Timothy 4:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am no Finny something. I NEVER said to keep the Law not EVER so again your judgment is unfounded and lies my dear friend.
You say you have the Holy Spirit in you? And you admit you sin, so where is the Holy Spirit when you sin? PLEASE teach me from the Word of God where is the Holy Spirit in you when you do sin?
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I know no FInny, I care about no Finny, so stop playing Finny... I have NEVER even herd of Finny...Is Finny in the Bible? NOPE then leave Finny in peace where-ever or whoever he may be. I care not what Finny says or does... I know what I know from the Word of God, and ONLY the Word of God, it is you dragging all kinds of filthy rags into our HOLY conversation... So share with me where is the Holy Spirit of God when you sin?

Hardly anyone knows much about Finney, but his ideas infect the beliefs of many people. Your beliefs didn't come from Finney (directly), but his ideas have infected Christianity to a large degree, and they came directly from satan. I use him as a benchmark so that people can hopefully see the error of their ways and repent.

Finney said that only those who fully keep the law are fully sanctified. You say essentially the same thing, that only those who are sinless are fully sanctified. Finney meant GOD's moral law, not the law of Moses. GOD's moral law is a man-made conflation of the law of Moses and the holy spirit. It is an ambiguous idea with an indistinct threshold of obedience that men can manipulate to serve their agendas. Finney manipulated the term to define sin as being selfishness.

Regarding where the spirit is when I sin: it is still within me, but grieved; it doesn't leave me. That seed of GOD within me witnesses against my sin and leads me to confront my sin and repent, so I am not able to continue sinning.

 

[Enow]

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Galatians 5:[SUP]13 [/SUP]For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. [SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 2:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, [SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; [SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Isdaniel and Herose... is this true or not...
2 Cor 5:17...Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Do you believe ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW?

No I do not. The flesh does not become new. It remains the same old man that must be crucified, daily.

You are working with a bad translation IMO. Most bibles do not say all things have become new. > Compare bible translations of 2 Corinthians 5:17

The reason for this is because 'the whole phrase, the all, is omitted by all modern editors and texts and by the three most ancient manuscripts. The Revisers do not even give it a note in their margin'. From > A Reply to "Universalism Refuted" - Part Three

So the verse should probably be translated thus:

Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come. 2 Corinthians 5:17​

 

[tdrew777]

Thanks, HRFTD, for th insight into II Cor 5:17.

 

[Cobus]

Herose, go tell God he made mistakes in the Bible, then maybe He can give us one that does not say the old has PASSED. Passed for me is GONE..DEAD... so even if the flesh is not dead, it is still PASSED, and the NEW CANNOT SIN... 1 John 3:9. they do not sin and they cannot sin.... The SEED will not allow it...

No matter how you twist God's Word the Truth shall stand...

Herose what about this... how will you twist this verse.... But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Do you think the Spirit shall make this mortal body alive to sin again? AFTER IT HAS PASSED? Man you know not the God of HOLINESS...

And I cannot help you see otherwise, go to God with HIS Word... Herose I went into isolation with the Word and God for 15 years.... NO MAN INFLUEANCE so disgard me from all your beliefs, I am different than any person you know or read of.

I am only influenced by the Word of God NO MAN! God and His Word and His SPirit.

 

[tdrew777]

Notice the spelling mistake above, an indication that I am not yet perfect as my heavenly Father is perfect. Yet I have the sure hope of becoming so. And God calls me "saint" (holy one) right now because of Christ in me.

 

[Cobus]

HRFTD Good name.... HRFTD, what of the OLD of you has not PASSED... SIN! Then the NEW HAS NOT COME...As plain as that. Take it as a child and go to God for salvation.....Stop your blasphemy. God saves sinners to be HOLY MEN OF GOD, nothing less..

 

[Isdaniel]

Herose, go tell God he made mistakes in the Bible, then maybe He can give us one that does not say the old has PASSED. Passed for me is GONE..DEAD... so even if the flesh is not dead, it is still PASSED, and the NEW CANNOT SIN... 1 John 3:9. they do not sin and they cannot sin.... The SEED will not allow it...

No matter how you twist God's Word the Truth shall stand...

Herose what about this... how will you twist this verse.... But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Do you think the Spirit shall make this mortal body alive to sin again? AFTER IT HAS PASSED? Man you know not the God of HOLINESS...

And I cannot help you see otherwise, go to God with HIS Word... Herose I went into isolation with the Word and God for 15 years.... NO MAN INFLUEANCE so disgard me from all your beliefs, I am different than any person you know or read of.

I am only influenced by the Word of God NO MAN! God and His Word and His SPirit.

true what you said that you are not influence by man hmmmm most likely by something else and difinitely not by the word of God i will stop there

 

[Isdaniel]

Herose, go tell God he made mistakes in the Bible, then maybe He can give us one that does not say the old has PASSED. Passed for me is GONE..DEAD... so even if the flesh is not dead, it is still PASSED, and the NEW CANNOT SIN... 1 John 3:9. they do not sin and they cannot sin.... The SEED will not allow it...

No matter how you twist God's Word the Truth shall stand...

Herose what about this... how will you twist this verse.... But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Do you think the Spirit shall make this mortal body alive to sin again? AFTER IT HAS PASSED? Man you know not the God of HOLINESS...

And I cannot help you see otherwise, go to God with HIS Word... Herose I went into isolation with the Word and God for 15 years.... NO MAN INFLUEANCE so disgard me from all your beliefs, I am different than any person you know or read of.

I am only influenced by the Word of God NO MAN! God and His Word and His SPirit.

Were you playing John ?