Atheist mega-"churches"

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Dude653

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what is the point of an atheist church? is it like...''their's no God'' ''I agree'' ''ok see ya next week''
 
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We'll let me ask you this Megaman. Do you believe your house magically appeared? Or was it built by builders.
 
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If I can just reword your post Megaman..

Ok, but how do I know that Genesis is the exact account of creation. How do I know it's exact and not corrupted or edited when it translated to the final product? As for approval of this being included in the bible where did all this come from? Who did this? The world I live in was here long before I ever even saw it, let alone lived in it. So how would you propose I find who wrote this account and gave approval for it to be included in the bible and how can that source be trusted?

Surely you have better evidence that the world I live in has a creator than this.
 
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It' so sad to see people trade away their salvation. I don't pretend to know which drove each person in that direction at-least not directly but that's one of the signs of the times described in Timothy
 

wanderer6059

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E=MC2
Here's the E=MC2 math
Step One: Add all of the matter on Earth and contained in the rest of God's creation, 100 billion galaxies, each with about 100 billion stars,
Step Two: Multiply that amount of Matter by the speed of light,
Step Three: Square that number ...
and then understand that every gram of that incalculable amount of matter has the energy of a Hiroshima nuclear bomb.
A 100 pound human, for example, contains the force of approximately 45,000 Hiroshimas. 6.5 billion humans, with an average of 100 pounds of mass, contain over 292 trillion times the force of an atomic bomb. Add other animals, mountains, oceans and the mass of the Earth itself and we have approximately 13 septillion pounds or approximately 6 octillion atomic bombs worth of force contained in just the Earth itself. Understanding that Earth is a small part of one solar system which is a tiny part of one galaxy which is a tiny part of a Universe estimated to have 100 Billion galaxies, each with 100 Billion such solar systems ... one can quickly begin to comprehend that the quantity of Force/Energy/Power/"God" determined by Einstein's tiny formula, E=MC2, is beyond all human comprehension.
And atheist say there isn’t a God that controlled that force and keeps it all in check plus if you look at the big bang logically if the big bang happened like the atheist say everything from star systems to the planets would spin in the same direction.
 
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megaman125

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We'll let me ask you this Megaman. Do you believe your house magically appeared? Or was it built by builders.
I believe it was built by builders, and I'm willing to bet you do to. Hence where I'm going with all this.

If I can just reword your post Megaman..

Ok, but how do I know that Genesis is the exact account of creation. How do I know it's exact and not corrupted or edited when it translated to the final product? As for approval of this being included in the bible where did all this come from? Who did this? The world I live in was here long before I ever even saw it, let alone lived in it. So how would you propose I find who wrote this account and gave approval for it to be included in the bible and how can that source be trusted?

Surely you have better evidence that the world I live in has a creator than this.
I was predicting you to do something like that, the only thing I didn't predict is that you'd play into my hand that well.

As for a response to you, I'd say that I wouldn't use the book of Genesis to try and prove God's existence. So let's go back to my building question, I'd like you to try again. Where is the evidence that the house I live in has a builder?
 

JimJimmers

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Religions, by definition, worship a god or gods. Atheism, by definition, does not. A gathering that resembles a church meeting is not a church meeting if it doesn't have the required attributes (such as worship)... it is merely "a gathering that resembles a church meeting".

It's funny that atheists even have to "refute" this. The implication of calling atheists religious is based on religion being a "bad" thing. Of course we atheists can see it that way, but I don't understand how Christians can accept that premise. If you didn't see religion as a negative thing, then why would you try to fit your opponents into one?

A little unfair to just use the definition you like, when you know full well there are other definitions of religion. But I'll go with your definition for the sake of discussion. What is Buddhism by your definition?
 

JimJimmers

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Well, since this in in the Bible forum maybe you should take a look at Timothy 2:12?
Funny an atheist would choose a verse like that, but okay. We'll look at it.

"If we endure, we shall also reign with him: if we shall deny him, he also will deny us."

Why does such a verse interest you so much, as an atheist?
 
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Goes a long way in helping to refute, the usual denial of atheists, that atheism is a religion!:)
If you read the article that is a concern raised by some atheists. They don't like the idea, that to the Christian opposition this will look like atheism is a religion, despite the oft repeated denial of many atheists. It's a social get-together for sure, but there are none of the trappings that one associates with religious belief. There is an absence of prayer and nothing that looks like worship. The organizers were hoping to provide that one element for atheists that church attendance has in abundance: social networking and camaraderie, and perhaps even a place to meet like minded people or even members of the opposite sex. That's not religion, but that too is life.
 
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I believe it was built by builders, and I'm willing to bet you do to. Hence where I'm going with all this.



I was predicting you to do something like that, the only thing I didn't predict is that you'd play into my hand that well.

As for a response to you, I'd say that I wouldn't use the book of Genesis to try and prove God's existence. So let's go back to my building question, I'd like you to try again. Where is the evidence that the house I live in has a builder?

There are numerous ways we can get the conclusion that it was man made. The points I mentioned previously about planning and blueprints etc. Could be something as unrelated as a photo taken of a lady while your house happens to be built in the background.

Plus the fact that a house being built by a man is something very demonstrable. You can watch videos of people doing it, you can watch it in person, you can even try doing it yourself!

None of the above can be applied to the creation of the earth. The standards of proof from wether a house is created by a designer or a world is created by a designer are very very different and is an absurd comparison.
 
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Funny an atheist would choose a verse like that, but okay. We'll look at it.

"If we endure, we shall also reign with him: if we shall deny him, he also will deny us."

Why does such a verse interest you so much, as an atheist?
JimJimmers. You. I like you. A lot. <3 <---see? :p In all seriousness, I actually was persuaded to stick to that verse alone. :D
 
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Just more proof of the apostasy which is taking place in these last days prior to the Lord Jesus Christ's glorious coming and Advent.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus. Amen.
I would bet you anything that you will not see this event during your lifetime. Remember my words. :)
 
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Good point Pete. Atheism is definitely a Religion. Beyond a shadow of any doubt.
I have a question. What does a social gathering require in order that it be classed as a religious event?
 

ChosenbyHim

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I would bet you anything that you will not see this event during your lifetime. Remember my words. :)

I am very confident that by the grace of God, I Will live to partake in the Rapture of the body of Christ. Jesus is coming quickly. His return is very close.
 
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I am very confident that by the grace of God, I Will live to partake in the Rapture of the body of Christ. Jesus is coming quickly. His return is very close.
How close do you think? Have you got
A rough time in your head? I'm
Not asking you to share this information. Just asking if you have an idea