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Atheist mega-"churches"
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Bryancampbell
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Technically everyone is religious. There is actually only two religions, one is true, the other is deception. One believes in the One true God. The other believes in themselves. One worships and follows the Lord, while the other serves his own heart. The latter is a form of idolatry.
Paul puts it in this way to the letter to the Philippians (3:19):
1. Whose end is destruction
2. Their god is their appetite
3. Their glory is their shame
4. Their minds are set on earthly things
A Christian:
1. Has victory over death and condemnation through Christ our Lord
2. Whose God is the One and Only true God
3. Their glory is in Christ
5. Their minds on spiritual things
Paul puts it in this way to the letter to the Philippians (3:19):
1. Whose end is destruction
2. Their god is their appetite
3. Their glory is their shame
4. Their minds are set on earthly things
A Christian:
1. Has victory over death and condemnation through Christ our Lord
2. Whose God is the One and Only true God
3. Their glory is in Christ
5. Their minds on spiritual things
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Desciple4life
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http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/78167-atheist-mega-churches.html
I posted mine in the news section!
I posted mine in the news section!
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Hoffco
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If we would keep in mind that words have many meanings and we are right to use any meaning we want: religion, the 4th def. webster dict. is: "a cause , principle, or belief held to with faith and ardor" Therefore, Atheism is a religion for some. so lets move on to some itellegent reasoning together, maybe we could reach the heart of the athiest and a&gnostic, and bring them to the TRUE RELIGION of God. James 1:27"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orpans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." Love to all, Hoffco
it's the word of God thats all the evidence you need because God would not let his word be corrupted if he new a man would corrupt it he would have went to another and theres more scientific evidence for God's existence than there is for His none existence
Precisely, which is why it's not really a church. As someone else said, it's more like a convention or political rally.
Cycel said:
I've heard this expectation before. My great-grandmother also expected this during her lifetime and apparently believed the event was immanent. At least this is what her granddaughter, my aunt, reported to me; but my great-grandmother died back in 1966 just before 102nd birthday. Saint Paul put off marrying because he believed the end was immanent. All I am saying is, don't make his mistake. The rapture, if it is coming, may be generations away.
That's a lie, about Saint Paul. Maybe you didn't do it on purpose though, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
JimJimmers. You. I like you. A lot. <3 <---see?In all seriousness, I actually was persuaded to stick to that verse alone.
I like you guys too!
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jimmydiggs
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megaman125
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Photos can be faked or mistakenly thought of as photos of my house under construction. Videos also aren't reliable. Want proof they aren't reliable? Just look at Hollywood.
And I can't watch in person someone building my house, it's already built. Sure, I could watch them build someone else's house, but that doesn't mean my house has a builder. Ok, that's the logic Ancient Aliens uses to say that aliens built the pyramids, so I'm going to stop beating around the bush. Note to self: don't beat around the bush with atheists, there's too much that goes over their heads.
Time to get straight to the point. The best evidence that my house has a builder is the house itself. Would you agree or disagree with that statement?
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jimmydiggs
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jimmydiggs
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Thank you for giving me the benefit of the doubt. What I expressed was an opinion, not a lie. Paul said it was better not to marry. I always had the impression he thought this because he believed the end was so near that one was better to work on the salvation of one's soul. You disagree with this? Do you recognize he believed the end was immanent? He did say it was better not to marry; did he not?
I agree he was all about the salvation of the soul. As far as the end being near, It's debatable. A popular verse quoted is:
"So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:" (KJV)
Now before I go any further, let me just say I'm not a Greek scholar. But bear with me. Another translation: "so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,"
This suggests they wanted to hear more about Jesus, and were eagerly awaiting the news. It makes sense that he didn't want them to miss out on any important details, until he could get there in person. Hence the letter to see they do not fall behind in anything key to their faith.
As far as saying it was better not to marry, he did indeed say that. "So then he who marries his betrothed does well, and he who refrains from marriage will do even better."
Paul says, "This I say for your own benefit; not to put a restraint upon you, but to promote what is appropriate and to secure undistracted devotion to the Lord."
I can't find anything that suggests he didn't marry because he thought the rapture was eminent.
Let me say though, I do agree with you that many generations have said the rapture would happen "any time now", at least as far back as WW2. And who knows, I may have thought the same thing at the time, what with Hitler et al.
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CRC
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Whether they have observed the hypocrisy of religion or not, many atheists simply cannot reconcile belief in God with the suffering in the world. Simone de Beauvoir once said: “It was easier for me to think of a world without a creator than of a creator loaded with all the contradictions of the world.”
Do the world’s injustices—including those instigated by hypocritical religionists—prove that there is no God? Consider: If a knife is used to threaten, injure, or even murder an innocent person, does this prove that the knife had no designer? Does it not rather show that the object was put to a wrong use? Likewise, much of human grief gives evidence that humans are misusing their God-given abilities as well as the earth itself.
Some, however, feel that it is illogical to believe in God, since we cannot see him. But what about air, sound waves, and odors? We cannot see any of these things, yet we know they exist. Our lungs, ears, and noses tell us so. Surely, we believe in what cannot be seen if we have evidence.
After contemplating the physical evidence—including electrons, protons, atoms, amino acids, and the complex brain—natural scientist Irving William Knobloch was moved to say: “I believe in God because to me His Divine existence is the only logical explanation for things as they are.” (Compare Psalm 104:24.) Similarly, physiologist Marlin Books Kreider states: “Both as an ordinary human being, and also as a man devoting his life to scientific study and research, I have no doubt at all about the existence of God.”
These men are not alone. According to physics professor Henry Margenau, “if you take the top-notch scientists, you find very few atheists among them.” Neither the advances of science nor the failure of religion need force us to abandon belief in a Creator
Do the world’s injustices—including those instigated by hypocritical religionists—prove that there is no God? Consider: If a knife is used to threaten, injure, or even murder an innocent person, does this prove that the knife had no designer? Does it not rather show that the object was put to a wrong use? Likewise, much of human grief gives evidence that humans are misusing their God-given abilities as well as the earth itself.
Some, however, feel that it is illogical to believe in God, since we cannot see him. But what about air, sound waves, and odors? We cannot see any of these things, yet we know they exist. Our lungs, ears, and noses tell us so. Surely, we believe in what cannot be seen if we have evidence.
After contemplating the physical evidence—including electrons, protons, atoms, amino acids, and the complex brain—natural scientist Irving William Knobloch was moved to say: “I believe in God because to me His Divine existence is the only logical explanation for things as they are.” (Compare Psalm 104:24.) Similarly, physiologist Marlin Books Kreider states: “Both as an ordinary human being, and also as a man devoting his life to scientific study and research, I have no doubt at all about the existence of God.”
These men are not alone. According to physics professor Henry Margenau, “if you take the top-notch scientists, you find very few atheists among them.” Neither the advances of science nor the failure of religion need force us to abandon belief in a Creator
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tdrew777
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There exists worthless religion. There exists pure and undefiled religion.
James 1:26,27 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
James 1:26,27 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
Id say that's a fair statement yeah.
And what have you said that's gone over my head?
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megaman125
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Well, from the get go I was trying to get you to say that the building is evidence of a builder. Probably shouldn't have done that, seeing how sidetracked that became.
Ok, so you'd agree that the best evidence that the building has a builder is the building itself. So then, would you also agree that creation is the best evidence of a creator?