2 Timothy 2 - at what point do we stop quarreling with posts?

[thecreationtutor]

14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for [e]it will lead to further ungodliness, 17 and their[f]talk will spread like [g]gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”
20 Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce [h]quarrels. 24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive [i]by him to do his will.

Wrangling with words
Refuse ignorant speculations
Avoid empty worldly and empty chatter

The passage names people doing it, and what they were teaching

Do not be quarrelsome yourself but kind, able to teach, patient when wronged

in gentleness - correcting those who are in opposition



How many of us in our posts and responses are doing this?

 

[John_S]

14 Remind them of these things, and solemnly charge them in the presence of God not to wrangle about words, which is useless and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. 16 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for [e]it will lead to further ungodliness, 17 and their[f]talk will spread like [g]gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18 men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.”
20 Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. 21 Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Now flee from youthful lusts and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart. 23 But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce [h]quarrels. 24 The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25 with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive [i]by him to do his will.

Wrangling with words
Refuse ignorant speculations
Avoid empty worldly and empty chatter

The passage names people doing it, and what they were teaching

Do not be quarrelsome yourself but kind, able to teach, patient when wronged

in gentleness - correcting those who are in opposition



How many of us in our posts and responses are doing this?

When someone is posting wrong, or, sometimes even antichristian, preachings, then it our duty to call them out on it. If that seems unkind to you, then I'm sorry.
Teaching the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is wrong.
Teaching the OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) doctrine is wrong.
Praying in public, since it is against the words of Jesus Christ, is antichristian.
Owning guns, since Jesus Christ never owned or used a weapon, is antichristian.

 

[thecreationtutor]

When someone is posting wrong, or, sometimes even antichristian, preachings, then it our duty to call them out on it. If that seems unkind to you, then I'm sorry.
Teaching the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is wrong.
Teaching the OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) doctrine is wrong.
Praying in public, since it is against the words of Jesus Christ, is antichristian.
Owning guns, since Jesus Christ never owned or used a weapon, is antichristian.

huh? all these topics seem to be wrangling with words actually

 

[John_S]

What do you think that we do on talk sites? We wrangle with words.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When someone is posting wrong, or, sometimes even antichristian, preachings, then it our duty to call them out on it. If that seems unkind to you, then I'm sorry.
Teaching the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is wrong.
Teaching the OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) doctrine is wrong.
Praying in public, since it is against the words of Jesus Christ, is antichristian.
Owning guns, since Jesus Christ never owned or used a weapon, is antichristian.

Voting for politicians who enable the slaughter of millions of innocent unborns is wrong. How will you answer to GOD for your hypocrisy of judging others, while ignoring the wickedness that you encourage and enable?

 

[thecreationtutor]

I think we need discernment - and honest skepticism about the issues we debate - is it becoming quarrelsome? is it necessary? how close is this person to my circle of influence? is this a major doctrine we have to agree on(Ephesians 4:1-6)

those things

 

[chubbena]

Owning guns, since Jesus Christ never owned or used a weapon, is antichristian.

or a computer, a cell phone...or speaking English for that matter.
Jokes aside.
To answer the OP - soon as it turns into quarreling?

 

[mystdancer50]

I agree with the OP. There are times when I get so caught up in the debate that I lose the love/point. I am not here to wrangle words, but to be challenged in knowing God's word. I am here to see if I have truly seen something in God's word and can back it Biblically or if it just something I heard preached somewhere one day and took it for truth.

Many Christians today don't know God's word for themselves and so believe every new doctrine that comes along, just because it 'sounds right'. I think CC challenges us to stop taking things for granted and to actually seek and find the truth for ourselves. Otherwise, our 'arguments' just go around and around and around in circles and do nothing but confuse the issue.

There are times when you can Biblically back your statements and still the person refuses to listen. Usually, that's when I bow out. I am not here to argue pointlessly...though sometimes I do. I have begun to ask myself this simple question: is this a gnat or a camel? I have spent too many years straining at gnats and ignoring camels. No longer.

Good thread...though many will come on here and quarrel just because they can. Sometimes, that makes the thread all the more fun...sometimes not.

 

[overcomer2]

I find nothing wrong with giving an account to any one who asks about the hope I have. I have noticed that there are really rude people that do come to these sights. Like, they have not been taught just descent behavior in the area of disagreement. One thing I have noticed, that usually it is the same people. I tend to not read anything they post because they're spirit is not meek nor quiet. They tend to be loud and noisy in their spirit. For those of us who can appreciate that we are all in different areas of our walk, thank you for making Christian Chat enlightening and encouraging for me.

 

[mystdancer50]

I am quite fond of the 'ignore' button. I was recently bullied on here by a handful of members and so I just used the ignore button. That was the most I've had to use it ever. But, now I can go into threads and, if I choose to read their posts, I can, but I don't have to because they're hidden.

 

[overcomer2]

Yes, I just discovered the ignore button a few minutes ago. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do that in real life with some of the people around us. Glad you found a way not to let the devil get the best of you.

 

[chubbena]

I am quite fond of the 'ignore' button. I was recently bullied on here by a handful of members and so I just used the ignore button. That was the most I've had to use it ever. But, now I can go into threads and, if I choose to read their posts, I can, but I don't have to because they're hidden.

Online so called fellowship is not for the faint of heart, not that I said you are. There were times I lost sleep over unkind responses. There were times I so wanted to reach through the monitor and punch the nose of that person. Then I have come to learn that they are there to sharpen. The iron gets hot and the sound irritates during sharpening but at the end out comes a beautiful sword.
Be courageous and don't hide. It's better than aerobic.

 

[notuptome]

When we "quarrel" do we quarrel against the post or against the word of God? Seems often to be case that opinion is more important that what the word through the Holy Spirit teaches. We would do well to stop quarreling when we find ourselves quarreling against the word of God. We cannot win in a contest against God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[mystdancer50]

Online so called fellowship is not for the faint of heart, not that I said you are. There were times I lost sleep over unkind responses. There were times I so wanted to reach through the monitor and punch the nose of that person. Then I have come to learn that they are there to sharpen. The iron gets hot and the sound irritates during sharpening but at the end out comes a beautiful sword.
Be courageous and don't hide. It's better than aerobic.

I hear you. This was bullying, though, not sharpening. They PM'd me and when I ignored them there, they had their friends come into the thread and attack me there. I think I ignored 4 people in a five minute span of time. It wasn't until the next day that I thought, "Wow. I was being bullied." This has actually given me pause about contributing to the young adults forum in the future. I will at least be very, very cautious. I don't need to be bullied by twenty-somethings that read my posts incorrectly and then attack me because they refuse to accept that they misunderstood the post in the first place. I am all for lively debate, but inconsiderate abusive things I won't tolerate.

 

[mystdancer50]

When we "quarrel" do we quarrel against the post or against the word of God? Seems often to be case that opinion is more important that what the word through the Holy Spirit teaches. We would do well to stop quarreling when we find ourselves quarreling against the word of God. We cannot win in a contest against God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I agree. I tend to say, "I think this is what this Scripture means," or "I believe this is what it means" or "I believe this or that", rather than, "This is the absolute truth and everyone else is wrong" which I've seen more times than I can count. The only things that I state as absolute truth are Scriptures that are blatantly obvious, such as Jesus is the only way to a right relationship with God. I never state absolutely that the rapture will happen pre, post or mid, because it's all up to the filters and interpretations of the person. I state what I believe and why and then move on.

I find that we must be careful to say something is absolute in God's word when it is just our opinion. There are things that we can defend as absolutes, but most of those don't need defending. It's the things that people fight about most and state their opinion as absolute truth that is a danger to that person.

Did I make sense at all? I felt like I was bouncing around like a pinball game on that one.

 

[chubbena]

I hear you. This was bullying, though, not sharpening. They PM'd me and when I ignored them there, they had their friends come into the thread and attack me there. I think I ignored 4 people in a five minute span of time. It wasn't until the next day that I thought, "Wow. I was being bullied." This has actually given me pause about contributing to the young adults forum in the future. I will at least be very, very cautious. I don't need to be bullied by twenty-somethings that read my posts incorrectly and then attack me because they refuse to accept that they misunderstood the post in the first place. I am all for lively debate, but inconsiderate abusive things I won't tolerate.

James said: Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds.
There are some who pretend to be Christians but are not - they are here and everywhere to test our faith.

 

[jordy1984]

When someone is posting wrong, or, sometimes even antichristian, preachings, then it our duty to call them out on it. If that seems unkind to you, then I'm sorry.
Teaching the Pre-Trib Rapture doctrine is wrong.
Teaching the OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) doctrine is wrong.
Praying in public, since it is against the words of Jesus Christ, is antichristian.
Owning guns, since Jesus Christ never owned or used a weapon, is antichristian.

Once saved always saved your standing on shaky ground there brother I think your limiting the work of Christ . Ephesians sealed with the Holy Spirit, I could go on.

 

[jordy1984]

Just out of curiosity at what point do we become unsavedis it the first or sixtieth lie or is it the first rude thought or when we have a smoke or drink whats the cut off point?

 

[jordy1984]

Sorry im quarreling apologies

 

[J-Kay-2]

RE: Bullying ~ Wow ~ I have been on Christian sites for at least 9
years. I have been on secular. I can expect secular people speak out
against our faith as Christians. I lost sleep many nights over hurt
feelings by things Christians could say because they misunderstood me.
I discovered through so many mistakes I have made, each person has
a different way of speaking. What may sound mean to us, might not
really be. I have lost my cool a time or two and really scared myself.
I would just leave the entire site. I do not like conflict. Still I have
found myself misunderstanding what the person is saying and make comment
and when I re-read the original post, oh, egg on my face. There is no
way to remove something we are ashamed of saying. Aren't we glad God
does erase our sin when we confess we did wrong ?
A couple of weeks ago I posted an article from another site and it was
deemed racist. Out of the blue came an attack like the mother of all attacks.
I never in all these years of being on Social or Christian sites had such
hateful, venomous words spoken to me. I found the button you did and
used it, but after I did, I realized it removed what the person was saying
and thought maybe I should allow it be seen by moderator ??? So I put it
back on, only to discover it had been reported, and needless to say, I was
lumped in pretty much like the bully. The odd part, I never responded to
the persons rants. I knew it would invite more. I never and I mean never
knew such hate existed. I found they had gone to my private message and
started all over on me. I felt like demons were sent out to attack me.
I had no choice but ask to be deactivated. I like it over here and decided
to come back in as same person I was, just had to add little to name.
So, I guess we all want to simply have peace and learn to love those who are
wanting to learn about Christ, and what will we do when we are not in agreement.
We must remember we are being read like the Bible. People are going to judge
God by the way we act and treat one another.
Blessings ~