You're a child of the Devil.

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The basic premise of op is correct, but you mentioned in your OP that the verse you're basing your assertion that I am of the devil on is John 4:44. But I think you probably meant John 8:44;

8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees who rejected Jesus and, therefore, were of their father, the devil. But, of course, it doesn't apply to those who received Jesus. But I can see where you're coming from. Everybody is born in sin, as the following verses tell us:

3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


14:2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

14:3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.


We're all sinners and fall short of the glory of God, and that's why, as you said, we need Jesus. So I agree with you that we all are children of the devil until such a time as we decide to believe in Jesus.

But we become Children of God by receiving Jesus.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

You're right, we're all walking dead people because of our sins.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

So Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the forbidden tree and they immediately died. And all men have been born dead ever since.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. (Romans 5)

We're all made sinners and are dead because of Adam and eve's transgression in the Garden of Eden. But once we receive Jesus we are automatically translated from death unto Life, because Jesus is the Life.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (john 5)

So once we receive Jesus we are no longer children of the devil, and we are no longer dead because of sin. Now we are children of God and we have eternal life. We will never die.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What else happens when we receive Jesus? Our whole body becomes full of light without a single tiny speck of darkness in it. Jesus is the light of the world.

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8)


5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. (IJohn 1)

22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! (Mathew 6)

Your eye is single and you are 100% full of light, because you have Jesus. What you do or how you wish to live your life is irrelevant. The only thing that makes your eye single and your whole body full fo light is the fact that you have revived Jesus. And all those who don't have Jesus are 100% walking in darkness.

So what else happens when we get saved. We immediately change from being a liar into an honest person.

2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;

Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

You are of the Truth, not because you tell the truth, but because you believe in Jesus. No other reason. All men are liars just like all men are sinners. but when you become born again you cannot sin any more and you are no longer a liar, but an honest person. These are the things that automatically happen to you when you receive Jesus. Your flesh and the things you do or say every day have nothing to do with it. It is immediate, automatic, and forever.

The reason we can't sin is because we are born of God, and, therefore, Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness and all our sins. We've washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:

3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(You have done righteousness by receiving Jesus. Therefore you are righteous just like He is)

3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness(Does not believe in Jesus) is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.(IJohn)

 
I am talking about Spirit Life given from God to us here and now in the dead Spirit that we were born with from the womb of Mom. This transfer from death to life is in the cross of Christ, Born dead in Spirit originally and alive in flesh to die in the flesh with Christ in the flesh at Christ's death to be made alive in the resurrected Christ in the spirit from Father
Yes. We're dead to our flesh. But are you a zombie? No. You still carry your flesh with you. Acknowledging the fact that your flesh still sins, but your spirit is made alive is what God wants. Peter followed Jesus and knew who He was, and yet He could claim that he didn't. Peter knew Jesus so well, yet He sinned. A great apostle like that claims to have sinned, but you don't?
 
No. He was sinless, but He had sin on Him. He became our sin bearer. Fine line between the two.
Ummmm NO!

On the cross he took the cup of God's wrath upon him...

[video=youtube;sixVjAX7xKM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixVjAX7xKM#t=16[/video]
 
Cain brought His works before God. (His fruits and crops). Abel brought Jesus before God (the lamb). God favoured Abel, because Abel acknowledged the fact that His works can't save him.

Not exactly. Able brought the firstfruits and able didn't.

Jonah represents us. This was all about Jonahs disobedience to what God had called him to do. God wanted Jonah to go to people he didn't like so that God could change their harts. Jonah did'nt want their hearts to be changed.

New people to God need to start somewhere to understand. Can't start at the cross until it is understood what this is.
People trying to get from one side of the lake to the other until they first know how to swim.

Blessings
 
Why is the "peace that transcends understanding" often missing? Why do so many run to do evil yet proclaim they "sin no more" in their flesh? Why is it so plain to understand what this OP is saying, (and what does her age have to do with anything?) and some of the more "learned" words gobbledygook? The OP is saying plainly, she is not deliberately trying to break God's Law, she is saying what Paul said, even though we fail, if we believe Christ bought us, then we are saved by Him and Him alone. Not by any work of our hands, but by the blood of Jesus. It is dangerous to teach anyone that unless they are "perfect" in their body as well, they will not inherit God's promise.
 
I'm saying we only have 1 father. Before, if was the Devil. To those born again, it is God.

I feel absolutely outraged by what you wrote, to say the least ! Do you realize what you're saying ?
I don't think so.

Think well about what do you mean by your words.
For even non saved righteous human beings have the law written in their heart.
Yes, Ma'am. Every true human is made at the image of God, like it or not !
So to say all non-believers are demons is really gross !
Do you know who Jesus called a demon ? Judas Iscariot ! Will Judas Iscariot be saved ? No, because a demon cannot be saved ! So what you're saying is both extremely insulting to all of us believers and unbelievers, and it's also totally wrong, because demons cannot be saved, there's nothing human in them ! Jesus has nothing in demons, do you understand ?

You could said to human unbelievers, you are lost sheep, and Jesus your Shepherd is looking for you and miss you very much! You could say to the prodigal son, you are a lost son, and your father is looking for you and miss you very much !
But you couldn't be further from the truth by saying both to human unbelievers and believers you are/were demons !
You could as well spit right on their face it would be the absolute same thing, trust me !

I take it as that's because you're still very young so you made that great mistake of insulting all unbelievers and believers who are both made at the image of God.

Satan is the father of demons only. Understand that even if true human beings are unbelievers, they are not certainly not demons, for Jesus created them at His image and His universal moral law is written in their heart :

It's written : " For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; "
Romans 2:14-15 ( KJV )


 
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I feel absolutely outraged by what you wrote, to say the least ! Do you realize what you're saying ?
I don't think so.

Think well about what do you mean by your words.
For even non saved righteous human beings have the law written in their heart.
Yes, Ma'am. Every true human is made at the image of God, like it or not !
So to say all non-believers are demons is really gross !
Do you know who Jesus called a demon ? Judas Iscariot ! Will Judas Iscariot be saved ? No, because a demon cannot be saved ! So what you're saying is both extremely insulting to all of us believers and unbelievers, and it's also totally wrong, because demons cannot be saved, there's nothing human in them ! Jesus has nothing in demons, do you understand ?

You could said to human unbelievers, you are lost sheep, and Jesus your Shepherd is looking for you and miss you very much! You could say to the prodigal son, you are a lost son, and your father is looking for you and miss you very much.
But you couldn't be further from the truth by saying both to human unbelievers and believers you are/were demons !
You could as well spit right on their face it would be the absolute same thing, trust me !

I take it as that's because you're still very young so you made that great mistake of insulting all unbelievers and believers who are both made at the image of God.

Satan is the father of demons only. Understand that even if true human beings are unbelievers, they are not certainly not demons, for Jesus created them at His image and His universal moral law is written in their heart :

It's written : " For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; "
Romans 2:14-15 ( KJV )


We were all non believers at one time, weren't we? Satan is the father of lies. We used to lie. Still do, but in the flesh. So didn't that make us His children? I'm plainly quoting the Word of God. Don't be outraged, or angry. I didn't write the Word. Men of God did. Please stop using my age against me. It has nothing to do with anything. I'm just a human like you, regardless of my age or nationality.
And yes, we were created in the likeness of God. But isn't God a spirit? Don't get me wrong. Our flesh is our flesh. Our spirit is our spirit. Mixing up the two is a mess you don't want to get into. I've been there, and I've done that. I'm simply telling you of a father you use to have. Because when Adam and Eve sinned, they lost all connection with God. So, how could God possibly be their father? That's just what I'm saying. But, if you are born again, then why are you getting mad? It's those that are offended that really need to check out their faith.
I was just like that. But praise be to God, He has changed me. And I am now His child.
 
I feel absolutely outraged by what you wrote, to say the least ! Do you realize what you're saying ?
I don't think so.

Think well about what do you mean by your words.
For even non saved righteous human beings have the law written in their heart.
Yes, Ma'am. Every true human is made at the image of God, like it or not !
So to say all non-believers are demons is really gross !
Do you know who Jesus called a demon ? Judas Iscariot ! Will Judas Iscariot be saved ? No, because a demon cannot be saved ! So what you're saying is both extremely insulting to all of us believers and unbelievers, and it's also totally wrong, because demons cannot be saved, there's nothing human in them ! Jesus has nothing in demons, do you understand ?

You could said to human unbelievers, you are lost sheep, and Jesus your Shepherd is looking for you and miss you very much! You could say to the prodigal son, you are a lost son, and your father is looking for you and miss you very much !
But you couldn't be further from the truth by saying both to human unbelievers and believers you are/were demons !
You could as well spit right on their face it would be the absolute same thing, trust me !

I take it as that's because you're still very young so you made that great mistake of insulting all unbelievers and believers who are both made at the image of God.

Satan is the father of demons only. Understand that even if true human beings are unbelievers, they are not certainly not demons, for Jesus created them at His image and His universal moral law is written in their heart :

It's written : " For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; "
Romans 2:14-15 ( KJV )


WHOA!! This has already been taken care of. Mistakes have been made, apologies given & accepted! This is no longer an issue.
 
I can see ugly's point... She does carry a 'I am holier than you" tone in her posts... I am not saying her post's are incorrect... But they could be articulated a lot better... I know you are going to say but that is itching someones ear or what not... And if that thought comes across, I implore you to read proverbs... I think it will be of better help then the new testament too Elizabeth...


I dont agree with you. Its the way you read her posts. To be completely honest it says more about you than here. I mean no offence. I read her post too, and to me she sounds very humble and she just puts God at number 1
 
I have said my piece and met a Holy Ghost filled young lady to be my friend. I have nothing more to add so, i'm out.
 
WHOA!! This has already been taken care of. Mistakes have been made, apologies given & accepted! This is no longer an issue.

most folks don't read the whole thread before posting. you kind of expect those type of responses for a while until they get around to reading the rest of the post. some never get around to reading the whole thread.

that's kind of why there are so many misunderstandings on this forum....
 
Arguing is of no use. There is nothing we can gain from it. And I myself, am out. I appreciate all those who have listened. And anyone who has questions, feel free to ask me via private message. Thank you, God bless, and good night.
In the end, all glory and honour goes to God and God alone.
 
Arguing is of no use. There is nothing we can gain from it. And I myself, am out. I appreciate all those who have listened. And anyone who has questions, feel free to ask me via private message. Thank you, God bless, and good night.
In the end, all glory and honour goes to God and God alone.
See ya, sis!:)
 
Matthew 23:15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.

John 19:39
He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds.

Mark 3:6
Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.

John 9:41
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Matthew 23:13
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

Proverbs 6:A troublemaker and a villain,

who goes about with a corrupt mouth,
13 who winks maliciously with his eye,
signals with his feet
and motions with his fingers,
14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart—
he always stirs up conflict.
15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant;
he will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy.




Romans 16:18
For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.

Mark 13:5
Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you.

Matt. 27:3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”

“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.”
 
ElizabethPeter, May I make a suggestion. You can see that Christians are at all different levels of their walk, why don't you change the title of the thread to more accurately describe what you were trying to say. Now, I get what you were trying to say however, you need to think of the body.

Simply ask the admins to adjust it for you. Someone who is more knowledgable in this area ought to be able to help in that matter.
 
ElizabethPeter, May I make a suggestion. You can see that Christians are at all different levels of their walk, why don't you change the title of the thread to more accurately describe what you were trying to say. Now, I get what you were trying to say however, you need to think of the body.

Simply ask the admins to adjust it for you. Someone who is more knowledgable in this area ought to be able to help in that matter.
Sir/Ma'am, adjusting it would be of no use. The contents would still be the same. Yes, the title is misleading. But it's the contents that matter. The Bible is the Bible. But it's the contents of it that you read. Not its title. God bless.
 
I feel absolutely outraged by what you wrote, to say the least ! Do you realize what you're saying ?
I don't think so.

Think well about what do you mean by your words.
For even non saved righteous human beings have the law written in their heart.
Yes, Ma'am. Every true human is made at the image of God, like it or not !
So to say all non-believers are demons is really gross !
Do you know who Jesus called a demon ? Judas Iscariot ! Will Judas Iscariot be saved ? No, because a demon cannot be saved ! So what you're saying is both extremely insulting to all of us believers and unbelievers, and it's also totally wrong, because demons cannot be saved, there's nothing human in them ! Jesus has nothing in demons, do you understand ?

You could said to human unbelievers, you are lost sheep, and Jesus your Shepherd is looking for you and miss you very much! You could say to the prodigal son, you are a lost son, and your father is looking for you and miss you very much !
But you couldn't be further from the truth by saying both to human unbelievers and believers you are/were demons !
You could as well spit right on their face it would be the absolute same thing, trust me !

I take it as that's because you're still very young so you made that great mistake of insulting all unbelievers and believers who are both made at the image of God.

Satan is the father of demons only. Understand that even if true human beings are unbelievers, they are not certainly not demons, for Jesus created them at His image and His universal moral law is written in their heart :

It's written : " For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; "
Romans 2:14-15 ( KJV )



Think well about what do you mean by your words.
For even non saved righteous human beings have the law written in their heart. quote


Yes the law is written in the heart, but, the heart is but an organ. An unsaved righteous human beings soul can't understand what the spirit is saying in what is written.
 
Don't bring up the law. The Law was made so that you could realize you're a sinner. Read Romans 3:20. It's all there. God is not a liar. But Christ did something we could never; He fulfilled the Law.
 
I dont agree with you. Its the way you read her posts. To be completely honest it says more about you than here. I mean no offence. I read her post too, and to me she sounds very humble and she just puts God at number 1
I agree, if she didn't have 30 of them all directed at people like she is holy and we are pee ons... I can agree with you if you take this post into 1 account... But I think you glanced over ugly's post... Where he mentioned this is not her first like this...
 
Elizabeth, I think its a miracle of God that you understand what you do at your age. I know for myself God was far from my mind at 15 and took another 9 years to encounter Him. Now in.not saying your wrong in anything you but I will say this through experience. What we understand and how we perceive things change over time. Not saying truth changes, truth is always truth just that God 'refines' what our understanding on issues/things as we grow in Him. I hope I explained what in thinking directly, in not so good at that a lot of the time. Keep seeking the Lord, never forget Him and remember all that He has done. Grace and peace to you sister :)