Compassion and the Republican Party of the USA

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JimJimmers

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I am not a Tea-Partier, but in my opinion running up a huge budget deficit year after year after year shows a lack of compassion.
 
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As a social policy student, there is a huge difference between trying to understand someone's situation with compassion and making everyone else be affected by their situations....
 

maxwel

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Guys,


You don't find compassion in politics.

You find politics in politics.

You find compassion in Christ.

You're looking for things in the wrong places.
 

Angela53510

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As a Canadian, I always felt we were a much more compassionate country than the US. Everyone is covered for medical, in a plan that works, unlike what I am hearing about Obamacare.

However, the longer Harper is in office, the more I think we are being ruled by a dictator, elected in eastern Canada. But now that the truth on Rob Ford has come out (the Mayor of Toronto, our biggest city - also the subject of many jokes by late night American comedians), I begin to see the cracks in our system, too.

We do not have any process in place in Canada to get rid of a corrupt politician, and we have had our share over the centuries. How naive is that?

So perhaps trusting politicians is compassion gone wrong? Meanwhile, I have no problem with immigrant refugees and helping the poor and the needy.

However, I do agree with Maxwel, that politics is politics, and Christ is something completely removed from any mass movement, in any country.

I guess we just need to pray for Christ to be made known throughout our countries and the world, and vote as God reveals in prayer. I doubt that any political party is going to risk being known as a "Christian" party except in the loosest definition of the word. Because it might lose them an election, and the real goal of politicians is to be elected and stay elected. Not to worry about the problems of the country or the world!
 
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As a social policy student, there is a huge difference between trying to understand someone's situation with compassion and making everyone else be affected by their situations....
Understanding a person's situation with compassion is different than trying to help them.

I suspect there is a lot of fraud in the welfare system in this country. I don't like the idea of paying tax dollars to support people who are too lazy to work, but you have to be willing to support those unable to support themselves.

And maybe a word should be said about women who have lots of illegitimate children and then expect taxpayers to support them.
 
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Understanding a person's situation with compassion is different than trying to help them.

I suspect there is a lot of fraud in the welfare system in this country. I don't like the idea of paying tax dollars to support people who are too lazy to work, but you have to be willing to support those unable to support themselves.

And maybe a word should be said about women who have lots of illegitimate children and then expect taxpayers to support them.
That's actually not true at all. Yes, there are some people who take advantage of the system. I'll grant you that. But it's not as often as the standard Republican party proposes.

And concerning the issue about illegitimate children? Would you say the same thing if your daughters/granddaughters were stuck in this situations? Mistakes happen...but the children should not be allowed to suffer because of poor decisions about the mother. I just finished a project about a scenario of a teenage mother and the things she has to endure. I think it would be better if the church would stop being so critical about decisions made in the past. They already get enough criticism from their families. Yes, there are teens similar to what was seen on Jerry Springer before...but that's not the majority of what happens.
 
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Understanding a person's situation with compassion is different than trying to help them.

I suspect there is a lot of fraud in the welfare system in this country. I don't like the idea of paying tax dollars to support people who are too lazy to work, but you have to be willing to support those unable to support themselves.

And maybe a word should be said about women who have lots of illegitimate children and then expect taxpayers to support them.
It's called socialism. Obama is one and bent on destroying this country.
 
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That's actually not true at all. Yes, there are some people who take advantage of the system. I'll grant you that. But it's not as often as the standard Republican party proposes.

And concerning the issue about illegitimate children? Would you say the same thing if your daughters/granddaughters were stuck in this situations? Mistakes happen...but the children should not be allowed to suffer because of poor decisions about the mother. I just finished a project about a scenario of a teenage mother and the things she has to endure. I think it would be better if the church would stop being so critical about decisions made in the past. They already get enough criticism from their families. Yes, there are teens similar to what was seen on Jerry Springer before...but that's not the majority of what happens.
I'm thinking of women that have multiple illegitimate children. Didn't I hear one of seven people in the USA are on food stamps? Isn't that an awfully lot?
 
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I'm thinking of women that have multiple illegitimate children. Didn't I hear one of seven people in the USA are on food stamps? Isn't that an awfully lot?

It is actually 1/6th of the country according to what I have studied and seen on Washington Post. Yes, that is a lot...but the majority of the time, the people on Food stamps are people who cannot work due to disability or are living below poverty line because they have lost their jobs. The data is starting to change because of the effects the economy had on the system. In time, the process will correct itself again. Out of all the people I know in real life who are on food stamps, none of them are lazy people. They are just victims of the maliciousness of capitalism. A lot of the problem is also due to people who are on other government programs that lose their benefits over time. It causes a whole sort of other problems. Yes, there are even people who grew up on welfare and have no clue what to do outside of it. There is a book I recommend that talks about the history of the welfare system in America and I highly recommend it so you can see how the programs work.

http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9781118420973_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG That's an image of what the book looks like.
 
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It is actually 1/6th of the country according to what I have studied and seen on Washington Post. Yes, that is a lot...but the majority of the time, the people on Food stamps are people who cannot work due to disability or are living below poverty line because they have lost their jobs. The data is starting to change because of the effects the economy had on the system. In time, the process will correct itself again. Out of all the people I know in real life who are on food stamps, none of them are lazy people. They are just victims of the maliciousness of capitalism. A lot of the problem is also due to people who are on other government programs that lose their benefits over time. It causes a whole sort of other problems. Yes, there are even people who grew up on welfare and have no clue what to do outside of it. There is a book I recommend that talks about the history of the welfare system in America and I highly recommend it so you can see how the programs work.

http://img2.imagesbn.com/p/9781118420973_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG That's an image of what the book looks like.
I brought up a graph that says the current unemployment rate is 7.3%. Why is it, then, that we taxpayers are buying food stamps for 16.7% of the country? And you hit on something else - food stamps aren't the only thing we taxpayers are paying for to support the poor.
 
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I brought up a graph that says the current unemployment rate is 7.3%. Why is it, then, that we taxpayers are buying food stamps for 16.7% of the country? And you hit on something else - food stamps aren't the only thing we taxpayers are paying for to support the poor.
4/5 of households on foodstamps are working. those who have no one employed in the family and receive foodstamps, have provided a mountain of evidence that they are disabled. what you need to be asking is why taxpayers are not spending more in foodstamps.
 
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4/5 of households on foodstamps are working. those who have no one employed in the family and receive foodstamps, have provided a mountain of evidence that they are disabled. what you need to be asking is why taxpayers are not spending more in foodstamps.
It seems excessive to me that we taxpayers are buying food stamps for 16.7% of the population.
 
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The constitution does NOT guarantee separation of church and state. It guarentees the state from setting up its own religion. Since conservatives support a smaller less intrusive government and support the actual constitution, it cannot be the conservatives that would set up a perverted religious government but the government worshiping liberal ideology.

Lets get this straight...support for welfare is NOT compassionate. Its completely the opposite.

Conservatives have never been against the poor. The liberal ideology loves the poor...as its dupes and slaves.

Conservatives give more to charity than liberals do.

Liberals are great with charity...forcing others to be.

The Tea party does not have to be more compassionate.....liberals must exhibit the least tiny bit of compassion. Making yourself feel better by stealing others hard earned money and buying votes with it may make you feel like a compassionate person...

it just makes me wanna puke.
 

Oncefallen

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4/5 of households on foodstamps are working. those who have no one employed in the family and receive foodstamps, have provided a mountain of evidence that they are disabled. what you need to be asking is why taxpayers are not spending more in foodstamps.
What never ceases to amaze me is that only 50% of the US population actually pays income taxes (yes Romney was accurate in what he said). Soooo 50% of us are supporting the other 50%.

What irritates me is that most of those people I know that are on food stamps can afford big screen TV's, but need government assistance to buy food.
 

PennEd

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PennEd,
You seem like a nice guy, so I'm going to ask if you want to rephrase the above statement.
Maybe that isn't exactly what you meant, but you were in a hurry?

It is a bit of a logical leap to go from compassion ( a condition of the heart) to a political system.

Maxwell, it is not the political system of Capitalism restrained by the Constitution that is compassionate, but it IS this system that maximizes the POTENTIAL for the individual to be compassionate.While It is true that someone can be compassionate in ANY political system,the wealth created by Capitalism ALLOWS a vast number of individuals to help people in ways Socialism, Communism, Fascism, dictatorship, or any other system cannot.
 

maxwel

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Maxwell, it is not the political system of Capitalism restrained by the Constitution that is compassionate, but it IS this system that maximizes the POTENTIAL for the individual to be compassionate.While It is true that someone can be compassionate in ANY political system,the wealth created by Capitalism ALLOWS a vast number of individuals to help people in ways Socialism, Communism, Fascism, dictatorship, or any other system cannot.
That sounds like a good answer to me.
 
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Maybe our wonderful government should work on getting the 95 million americans out of work find a job...

not a welfare check.

The best bumper sticker I have seen...

I was a democrat until I got a job.

Says it all.
 
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The constitution does NOT guarantee separation of church and state. It guarentees the state from setting up its own religion. Since conservatives support a smaller less intrusive government and support the actual constitution, it cannot be the conservatives that would set up a perverted religious government but the government worshiping liberal ideology.

Lets get this straight...support for welfare is NOT compassionate. Its completely the opposite.

Conservatives have never been against the poor. The liberal ideology loves the poor...as its dupes and slaves.

Conservatives give more to charity than liberals do.

Liberals are great with charity...forcing others to be.

The Tea party does not have to be more compassionate.....liberals must exhibit the least tiny bit of compassion. Making yourself feel better by stealing others hard earned money and buying votes with it may make you feel like a compassionate person...

it just makes me wanna puke.
But there are other issues, involving compassion, than food stamps.