What Laws are still valid to christians

[JGIG]

Really? Ceremonial, Old Covenant Law is what stood against us in God's sight and needed to be nailed to the Cross? The Ceremonial Laws are what condemned us?

The Big Ten don't condemn if violated?

Read it again:

Colossians 2:13-15
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.​

-JGIG

Is the ten commadments ordinances or not ?

You're breaking the Law down into categories that the Scriptures never do.

Your question is flawed.

The question isn't whether or not the Big Ten are 'ordinances', as you define them, but whether the Big Ten stood against us and condemned us.

I think that you would agree that if sin is transgression of the Law, then to violate the Big Ten or any of the other 603 (+/-) is sin, yes?

Here's the thing: If you break one of God's Laws, you break them all (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10). The whole of the Law stood against us, not just what you define as ceremonial portions of the Law.

That is not Good News. The Good News is that we who are in Christ have died to the Law - all of it. We are led by Grace and the Spirit (Gal. 5:18, Tit. 2:11-14), which teach us to say no to ungodliness and enable us to bear Fruit unto God, the Fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:23-24, Rom. 7:4-6) \o/.

-JGIG

 

[john832]

Wow, you're so close to getting this

-JGIG

NO, I got it about 43 years ago. You are not even in the same universe as the knowledge of the truth.

 

[JGIG]

do you sin ?

What is Sin ?

Addressed here and here.

-JGIG

 

[john832]

I'll bet she doesn't think she does and I'll bet she doesn't know what sin is.

Addressed here and here.

-JGIG

Just as I suspected.

 

[JGIG]

NO, I got it about 43 years ago. You are not even in the same universe as the knowledge of the truth.

So at the age of 20 you had it all figured out and have never learned anything since then, having achieved entry into the 'universe of the knowledge of the truth'. Good for you.

Your fruit is just lovely, by the way.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

I'll bet she doesn't think she does and I'll bet she doesn't know what sin is.

Addressed here and here.

-JGIG

Just as I suspected.

In the first post I said that those in Christ still sin while in the flesh (that includes me) and that sin is the transgression of the Law.

What exactly did you 'suspect'? That I don't think I sin and that I don't know what sin is? Oh - that is what you 'suspected', as written in your post above.

So my posts support your suspicions how, exactly?

Another universe, indeed.

-JGIG

 

[Hoffco]

The whole point of the New Covenant is to get rid of the parts of the Old Cov which are not essential to the estabishing our Christian life in a righteous way with God, a mature way with out the non essential trapings ,gramors of the O.T.. which are not essential to the "grown up" lift of an adult. A child is not allowed to have the freedoms and joys of an adult. The New t. does a clean cut from the Old way of life for us now, as grown ups in the Faith, the Doctines of the new Cov. life. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Isdaniel]

The Law still matters; it shows the unsaved their sin and their need for Christ - the 'schoolmaster', 'tutor', 'guardian' brings us to Christ and then, according to Scripture,

Galatians 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


What you said above is not referring to the ten commandments but the ceremonial law which was addaed becuse of trangressions

 

[Isdaniel]

[video=youtube;GOpjthItxcg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GOpjthItxcg[/video]

 

[Hoffco]

This "clean cut" from the Old C. way of life is so clear that Paul say, If we go back to the Old C. way of life to be justified before God ,We fall from grace. Christ has not been truely formed in us if we go back to the old ordiances which Christ fulfiilled and did away with. Jesus did not do away with the Moral laws of the OLd C. but make them clear and in fuller force by clearly showing the intent of the 10 com. as spiritual in nature as well as physical in nature. The moral law must still be preached to bring conviction of sin and show the need of Jesus blood for forgiveness, because we can not keep the moral laws perfect; But we are still obligated to obey the moral laws of God and to keep the holy principles of the New Cov. of liberty, with respect for our brothers ,not to use our liberties open before a "weak" brother who is immature. The clarification between the kinds of laws in the OLD cov. is very very important. NOW, God says,"all things are lawful,but all are not edififing" in every situation. Love to all Hoffco

 

[JGIG]

The Law still matters; it shows the unsaved their sin and their need for Christ - the 'schoolmaster', 'tutor', 'guardian' brings us to Christ and then, according to Scripture,

Galatians 3:23-25
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.


What you said above is not referring to the ten commandments but the ceremonial law which was addaed becuse of trangressions

Galatians 3:23-25 refers to "the Law" - a unified whole. It does not break out portions or categories of the Law.

And to break one law, ceremonial or otherwise, is to break them all - the Law is a unified whole (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

Believe what you like and go in peace, but your assertions do not hold up under Scriptural scrutiny.

-JGIG

 

[Isdaniel]

Galatians 3:23-25 refers to "the Law" - a unified whole. It does not break out portions or categories of the Law.

And to break one law, ceremonial or otherwise, is to break them all - the Law is a unified whole (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

Believe what you like and go in peace, but your assertions do not hold up under Scriptural scrutiny.

-JGIG

So why then serveth the Law ? Do you steal make idols etc

What is righteouness ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Galatians 3:23-25 refers to "the Law" - a unified whole. It does not break out portions or categories of the Law.

And to break one law, ceremonial or otherwise, is to break them all - the Law is a unified whole (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

Believe what you like and go in peace, but your assertions do not hold up under Scriptural scrutiny.

-JGIG

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.​

The ceremonies of the law were a shadow that pointed to the coming of Jesus Christ. As a shadow, they have great value. But now that the body (Christ Himself) has come, we are not required to continue practicing the shadow (see also Hebrews 10:1
). We are "are not to kill animals etc for sin

 

[JGIG]

Galatians 3:23-25 refers to "the Law" - a unified whole. It does not break out portions or categories of the Law.

And to break one law, ceremonial or otherwise, is to break them all - the Law is a unified whole (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

Believe what you like and go in peace, but your assertions do not hold up under Scriptural scrutiny.

-JGIG

So why then serveth the Law ? Do you steal make idols etc

What is righteouness ?

It's a valid question.

The answer is in the Torah of God after the Cross.

A commenter once asked me this excellent question out of frustration:

She wrote,

“But I can’t love because it is a command – Because I am under grace [and not under law]. Do see how you guys make absolutely NO SENSE?!”​

Andrea was referring to the quoting of this passage:

1 John 3:21-24
21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.​

It’s a great question! If we’re not under Law, but after the Cross God commands us to love – sometimes referred to as the Law of Christ - what’s up with that?!

Here’s the really cool thing:

Love is a Fruit of the Spirit as well as a command. (Galatians 5:22-23)

Though love is a command, it’s also a fruit. (Galatians 5:22-23)​

Do fruit-producing plants strive to produce fruit? No . . . the branches bear fruit because they are attached to the vine/tree/plant which nourishes them.

Fruit is the by-product of LIFE, and it takes time for fruit to be produced. If you are in Christ and are led by His Spirit, love will be a fruit produced in you. If you are alive in Christ, abiding in Him, allowing His Holy Spirit to live through you, love is an unavoidable by-product of that relationship, fulfilling God’s command to love!

Commanding the one in Christ to love is like commanding a person who has life in them to breathe because it’s a law. If a person has life in them, they automatically breathe – it’s something that we just DO.If we are in Christ, loving others is something that we just DO.

To command those in Christ to love is a ridiculously-unfair-in-our-favor-win-win-deal!

Here’s the other really cool thing:

We love because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19)
​

By resting in the love of Christ and letting Him live His Life through us, bearing His Fruits, God’s command to love is obeyed (John 15:12, 1 John 3:23) and the Law is fulfilled (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).

That is Grace.​

And the answer to your question above is that because of Grace and being led by the Spirit, when we love, we are not murdering, stealing, committing adultery, worshipping other gods, bearing false witness . . . do you see where this is going?

Can you begin to see how Jesus is our Sabbath Rest?

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.​

The ceremonies of the law were a shadow that pointed to the coming of Jesus Christ. As a shadow, they have great value. But now that the body (Christ Himself) has come, we are not required to continue practicing the shadow (see also Hebrews 10:1
). We are "are not to kill animals etc for sin

Isdaniel, I do understand where you're coming from; I just disagree. You are breaking the Law down and separating it into categories. The Scriptures do not do that.

-JGIG

 

[Isdaniel]

It's a valid question.

The answer is in the Torah of God after the Cross.

A commenter once asked me this excellent question out of frustration:

She wrote,

“But I can’t love because it is a command – Because I am under grace [and not under law]. Do see how you guys make absolutely NO SENSE?!”​

Andrea was referring to the quoting of this passage:

1 John 3:21-24
21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.​

It’s a great question! If we’re not under Law, but after the Cross God commands us to love – sometimes referred to as the Law of Christ - what’s up with that?!

Here’s the really cool thing:

Love is a Fruit of the Spirit as well as a command. (Galatians 5:22-23)

Though love is a command, it’s also a fruit. (Galatians 5:22-23)​

Do fruit-producing plants strive to produce fruit? No . . . the branches bear fruit because they are attached to the vine/tree/plant which nourishes them.

Fruit is the by-product of LIFE, and it takes time for fruit to be produced. If you are in Christ and are led by His Spirit, love will be a fruit produced in you. If you are alive in Christ, abiding in Him, allowing His Holy Spirit to live through you, love is an unavoidable by-product of that relationship, fulfilling God’s command to love!

Commanding the one in Christ to love is like commanding a person who has life in them to breathe because it’s a law. If a person has life in them, they automatically breathe – it’s something that we just DO.If we are in Christ, loving others is something that we just DO.

To command those in Christ to love is a ridiculously-unfair-in-our-favor-win-win-deal!

Here’s the other really cool thing:

We love because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19)
​

By resting in the love of Christ and letting Him live His Life through us, bearing His Fruits, God’s command to love is obeyed (John 15:12, 1 John 3:23) and the Law is fulfilled (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).

That is Grace.​

And the answer to your question above is that because of Grace and being led by the Spirit, when we love, we are not murdering, stealing, committing adultery, worshipping other gods, bearing false witness . . . do you see where this is going?

Can you begin to see how Jesus is our Sabbath Rest?

-JGIG

What kind of love is that ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Isdaniel, I do understand where you're coming from; I just disagree. You are breaking the Law down and separating it into categories. The Scriptures do not do that.

-JGIG

what is the ark of the convenant ?

What was placed inside the ark ? why

what is sin ?

 

[Isdaniel]

Romas 8

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[JGIG]

It's a valid question.

The answer is in the Torah of God after the Cross.

A commenter once asked me this excellent question out of frustration:

She wrote,

“But I can’t love because it is a command – Because I am under grace [and not under law]. Do see how you guys make absolutely NO SENSE?!”​

Andrea was referring to the quoting of this passage:

1 John 3:21-24
21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.​

It’s a great question! If we’re not under Law, but after the Cross God commands us to love – sometimes referred to as the Law of Christ - what’s up with that?!

Here’s the really cool thing:

Love is a Fruit of the Spirit as well as a command. (Galatians 5:22-23)

Though love is a command, it’s also a fruit. (Galatians 5:22-23)​

Do fruit-producing plants strive to produce fruit? No . . . the branches bear fruit because they are attached to the vine/tree/plant which nourishes them.

Fruit is the by-product of LIFE, and it takes time for fruit to be produced. If you are in Christ and are led by His Spirit, love will be a fruit produced in you. If you are alive in Christ, abiding in Him, allowing His Holy Spirit to live through you, love is an unavoidable by-product of that relationship, fulfilling God’s command to love!

Commanding the one in Christ to love is like commanding a person who has life in them to breathe because it’s a law. If a person has life in them, they automatically breathe – it’s something that we just DO.If we are in Christ, loving others is something that we just DO.

To command those in Christ to love is a ridiculously-unfair-in-our-favor-win-win-deal!

Here’s the other really cool thing:

We love because He first loved us. (1 John 4:19)
​

By resting in the love of Christ and letting Him live His Life through us, bearing His Fruits, God’s command to love is obeyed (John 15:12, 1 John 3:23) and the Law is fulfilled (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14).

That is Grace.​

And the answer to your question above is that because of Grace and being led by the Spirit, when we love, we are not murdering, stealing, committing adultery, worshipping other gods, bearing false witness . . . do you see where this is going?

Can you begin to see how Jesus is our Sabbath Rest?

-JGIG

What kind of love is that ?

It's the Fruit of the Spirit.

And if you are led by the Spirit, bearing His Fruit, you are not under the Law.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

what is the ark of the convenant ?

What was placed inside the ark ? why

Shadows.

what is sin ?

Asked and answered. See earlier in the thread.

-JGIG