What Laws are still valid to christians

[JGIG]

Romas 8

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Correct. Those who are not in Christ are at enmity with God. Those who have died with Christ and made alive in Him (Gal. 2:19-21) are released from the Law (Rom. 7:4-6, Eph. 2:14-16).

To go back to the Law is to be carnal; it's an exercise in futility because the Law makes nothing perfect (Heb. 7:19), and righteousness does not come from the Law (Gal. 2:21, Rom. 3:21-26, Philippians 3:7-9).


-JGIG

 

[Isdaniel]

Atonement occurs one day of the year...

Lev 16:2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.

Lev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Lev 16:32 And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments:
Lev 16:33 And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation.
Lev 16:34 And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the LORD commanded Moses.

Notice that this is an everlasting statute? And also notice how it is tied into Hebrews...

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

[h=3]Leviticus 9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

9 And it came to pass on the eighth day, that Moses called Aaron and his sons, and the elders of Israel;
2 And he said unto Aaron, Take thee a young calf for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering, without blemish, and offer them before the Lord.
3 And unto the children of Israel thou shalt speak, saying, Take ye a kid of the goats for a sin offering; and a calf and a lamb, both of the first year, without blemish, for a burnt offering;
4 Also a bullock and a ram for peace offerings, to sacrifice before the Lord; and a meat offering mingled with oil: for to day the Lord will appear unto you.
5 And they brought that which Moses commanded before the tabernacle of the congregation: and all the congregation drew near and stood before the Lord.
6 And Moses said, This is the thing which the Lord commanded that ye should do: and the glory of the Lord shall appear unto you.
7 And Moses said unto Aaron, Go unto the altar, and offer thy sin offering, and thy burnt offering, and make an atonement for thyself, and for the people: and offer the offering of the people, and make an atonement for them; as the Lord commanded.
8 Aaron therefore went unto the altar, and slew the calf of the sin offering, which was for himself.

 

[Isdaniel]

Correct. Those who are not in Christ are at enmity with God. Those who have died with Christ and made alive in Him (Gal. 2:19-21) are released from the Law (Rom. 7:4-6, Eph. 2:14-16).

To go back to the Law is to be carnal; it's an exercise in futility because the Law makes nothing perfect (Heb. 7:19), and righteousness does not come from the Law (Gal. 2:21, Rom. 3:21-26, Philippians 3:7-9).


-JGIG

you really do not understand what roman 8 says it says the carnal man or worldly man is not subject to the LAW OF GOD

 

[Isdaniel]

He does not. He is the author, Christ paid the price, He bore our sins but He is not the orignator or author of sin.

OUR SINS WERE LAISD ON jESUS JUST LIKE THE SCAPE GOAT

2 Corinthians 5
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=2]What is the Ceremonial Law?[/h]When God led the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage, He delivered to them in fiery majesty the Ten Commandments. This Holy law was spoken by God, written by God, recorded on tables of stone, and is of eternal duration. At the same time the ceremonial law, of temporary usage, was also delivered to the children of Israel. This law dealt with the ceremonial rites of the Jewish sanctuary service, and concerned itself with a system of religion that passed away at the cross. Large sections of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy describe in detail this temporary law.

The ceremonial law can easily be identified in scripture. It talks about circumcision (a religious Jewish rite), sacrifices, offerings, purifications, holy days and other rites associated with the Hebrew sanctuary service.

 

[Isdaniel]

the law of God (the Ten Commandments, or Two tablets of the Testimony,) also known as the moral law and the Decalogue. The Law of Moses (the “Book of the Law,” or “Book of the Covenant”), also known as the Mosaic Law, the Ordinances and the Sacrificial / Ceremonial Law. Is there a relationship between these two laws? Absolutely.

If an Israelite sinned, he broke law number 1, the moral law being the Ten Commandments. He then had to bring his offering according to law number 2, the sacrificial law to receive forgiveness. This is the relationship between these two laws. Law number 1 defines sin, as sin is the transgression of the moral law, the Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4). Law number 2 defined sacrifices which was the remedy for sin.

Galatians 3

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

[Isdaniel]

While the word ceremonial is spoken frequently of in scripture the term ceremonial law is not. In the King James Bible, it is normally translated to ordinances which Strong’s dictionary translates to as being a law of the type ceremonial or ordinances. As it was a system of commandments given by God to Israel, there can be no doubt it was a law that involved ceremonies

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=2]The main Passages of confusion[/h]Many people believe that Colossians 2:16, Galatians 4:10 and Romans 14:5 are referring to the Seventh day Sabbathand even some believe they refer to the Ten Commandments and not the sacrificial law. So what is the real truth? Since there is so much confusion in this area, these passages will be our main focus.

 

[Isdaniel]

[h=2]The Ceremonial law and Colossians 2:16[/h]
Colossians 2:16 is one of the main areas of misunderstanding when it comes to understanding the ordinances of the ceremonial law, so we will cover this verse first followed by Galatians 4:9-10 and Romans 14:5, which are all related to the Mosaic law and what Paul is explaining in Colossians 2:16.In Colossians 2:16 it reads “Let no man therefore judge you in meat (offering), or in drink (offering), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” and so the argument is the fourth Commandment was deleted from stone. What was done away with here was called the ordinances (ceremonial law). This is clearly seen by noting what Paul said two verses earlier.

Colossians 2:14 states, “blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.”

Paul then goes on to say, so “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:“ Luke 1:6 KJV shows that the ordinances and the Ten Commandments are two totally different things. It states, “And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

 

[JGIG]

you really do not understand what roman 8 says it says the carnal man or worldly man is not subject to the LAW OF GOD

I do, actually. Carnal in Romans 8 simply means flesh (G4561). And the Law is all about the flesh. If you are led by the Spirit, bearing the Fruit that He produces through you, the flesh takes care of itself - love is produced in and through us, which fulfills the requirements of the Law.

And if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law (Galatians 5:18).

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

the law of God (the Ten Commandments, or Two tablets of the Testimony,) also known as the moral law and the Decalogue. The Law of Moses (the “Book of the Law,” or “Book of the Covenant”), also known as the Mosaic Law, the Ordinances and the Sacrificial / Ceremonial Law. Is there a relationship between these two laws? Absolutely.

If an Israelite sinned, he broke law number 1, the moral law being the Ten Commandments. He then had to bring his offering according to law number 2, the sacrificial law to receive forgiveness. This is the relationship between these two laws. Law number 1 defines sin, as sin is the transgression of the moral law, the Ten Commandments (1 John 3:4). Law number 2 defined sacrifices which was the remedy for sin.

Galatians 3

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Again, you are making distinctions and divisions in the Law that Scripture just does not make. If you violate one part of the Law, you violate it all (Gal. 3:10, James 2:10).

-JGIG

 

[Selihah]

I have to ask. When Jesus was tempted by ha satan, the adversary perverted the words of God in an attempted to catch Jesus off guard. Jesus in response said: “It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.’ Every word he said hmmmm. Did'nt Jesus also point you to do the will of the Father too? Didn't he also say; Get behind me, satan! For it is written, you shall worship Yehovah your God, and Him only you shall serve."

You say the law doesn't apply to you. Yet Jesus taught the law to his followers in Matthew 5 didn't he? What he taught is not a new revelation nobody heard before. Compare what he said there to Leviticus 19 you will find what he taught in Matthew 5 is nothing new, it is the law.

 

[JGIG]

The Ceremonial law and Colossians 2:16


Colossians 2:16 is one of the main areas of misunderstanding when it comes to understanding the ordinances of the ceremonial law, so we will cover this verse first followed by Galatians 4:9-10 and Romans 14:5, which are all related to the Mosaic law and what Paul is explaining in Colossians 2:16.In Colossians 2:16 it reads “Let no man therefore judge you in meat (offering), or in drink (offering), or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” and so the argument is the fourth Commandment was deleted from stone. What was done away with here was called the ordinances (ceremonial law). This is clearly seen by noting what Paul said two verses earlier.

Colossians 2:14 states, “blotting out the handwriting (has to be Moses handwriting) of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross.”

Paul then goes on to say, so “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:“ Luke 1:6 KJV shows that the ordinances and the Ten Commandments are two totally different things. It states, “And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Again, you are dividing the Law into sections; the Scriptures never do that, but refer to the Law as a unified whole.

Regarding Colossians 2:14, where you assert that the handwriting 'has to be Moses' handwriting' - that is your assertion. You are forcing a meaning into the text that the text itself, in context with the rest of the chapter, letter, New Covenant Scriptures, and finally the whole of the Word of God does not support.

Again, I understand your position while disagreeing with it based on the Scriptural evidence.

-JGIG

 

[Welshman]

Aha the usual suspects are still here ? Would be funny by now if not so serious ? The lAWKEEPERs are still saying same thing 220 pages now so 20 pages since last comment some I noticed after reading last 20 pages are still calling faith believers twisted and worse thank god for my time away

 

[Isdaniel]

Aha the usual suspects are still here ? Would be funny by now if not so serious ? The lAWKEEPERs are still saying same thing 220 pages now so 20 pages since last comment some I noticed after reading last 20 pages are still calling faith believers twisted and worse thank god for my time away

Welcome hmmm Is faith is in only found in the new or was it in the old

 

[Isdaniel]

Again, you are dividing the Law into sections; the Scriptures never do that, but refer to the Law as a unified whole.

Regarding Colossians 2:14, where you assert that the handwriting 'has to be Moses' handwriting' - that is your assertion. You are forcing a meaning into the text that the text itself, in context with the rest of the chapter, letter, New Covenant Scriptures, and finally the whole of the Word of God does not support.

Again, I understand your position while disagreeing with it based on the Scriptural evidence.

-JGIG

Could you explain this Why ten commandments God wrote And not over 600

Why did God write it again ? and not Moses These Ten ?


[h=3]Exodus 34[/h]King James Version (KJV)

3 And the Lord said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

 

[Isdaniel]

I do, actually. Carnal in Romans 8 simply means flesh (G4561). And the Law is all about the flesh. If you are led by the Spirit, bearing the Fruit that He produces through you, the flesh takes care of itself - love is produced in and through us, which fulfills the requirements of the Law.

And if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law (Galatians 5:18).

-JGIG

Where in the ten commandments required circucision ?

Why can you tell me what sin is from the bible in the new testement ?

 

[JGIG]

Where in the ten commandments required circucision ?

Are you saying that the 600+ laws in the Old Covenant are not from God, not part of the Law? Correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you seem to have been hinting at . . .

Why can you tell me what sin is from the bible in the new testement ?

Everything that does not come from faith is sin (Rom. 14:23).

-JGIG

 

[Hoffco]

To JGIG. you are still in "KINDERGARDEN" in the word of God, You make no sense; you can not "rightly divid the word". "The law of God" has several meanings, you must contextualize the word in its context to see what is the meaning of the word is, in each context. Love to to all, Hoffco

 

[Isdaniel]

Are you saying that the 600+ laws in the Old Covenant are not from God, not part of the Law? Correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you seem to have been hinting at . . .



Everything that does not come from faith is sin (Rom. 14:23).

-JGIG

i cannot correct you but only the word of God

Where on the tables of stone did God write 600 laws ?