I Believe in Evolution and have no problem with Gay Marriage

[RedTent]

It is true, what is of God has no sin. In our morning prayer we are forgiven by God. We turn from sin, but the person who does that and is given grace has been even born in sin, it is in our DNA. We need Christ daily and He is sufficient.

That doesn't mean, like you are saying, that "I'm doomed, I'm a sinner, there is no hope, I'm never going to have a good life like God is talking about". That means we are going to cleanse ourselves from sin through Christ, learn about God's ways, turn from sin each day like it says in he Lord's Prayer, and live with Him.

When we go on about how we must deny how God instructs us to live, God didn't mean it when he gave us instruction and the HS God gave for our help is all we need, we don't need to make any effort in ourselves, or we are to0 holy and dainty to have the definition of sin given us to turn from is not from God, that is just poppycock.

It is worse than untruth! It is telling those who come to our churches to join in God's family that God never disciplines, God just accepts you so much you don't need the cross, God never judges. So when divorces happen, or they need brothers and sisters in God's family and no one hears, or girls have babies with no real fathers they say there is something wrong with the church and there is. They were told lies about God.

 

[john832]

Does that make me less of a Christian in some eyes?

Im tired of the old fashioned perspective on topics like these...Its like we are still living in the times of the Old Testament, things have changed and God knew these things would change, We learn more about the world now then we ever did and im still able to perfectly fit the Bible into my life, because The Bible is a book that points to God, it teaches you how to be a good person, it has never been a history book so why do we treat it as such? In the bigger scheme of things does it matter if there was a flood? Does it matter if Jonah was swallowed by a whale? Does it matter if the Earth was created in 7 days?

No.

These stories point us to God and teach us who he is and what he wants us to become. If you go back to the story of creation, I ask if it matters if the Earth was created in 6 days, I dont think it does, The 6 days show an ordered process that does follow the steps of evolution, it goes from plants to birds then land animals followed by people...the creation story is meant to tell us that we did not come about from chaos but that it was an ordered purposeful creation. Why spend time arguing about something so inconsequential when there are bigger issues about.

There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Good ol' Leviticus, this is a book that goes over everything that you would need to do to be Perfect...it is impossible for us to do alone, every single person reading this post has broken the Law set in Leviticus, lets name a few (if you want me to source these let me know but you will find them all there) Letting your hair become unkempt, tearing your clothes, stealing, lying, defrauding your neighbor, bearing a grudge, any tattoos, not standing in the presence of the elderly. These are all in Leviticus, what makes your sin better than theirs? Plus hating the Gay community and not allowing them to hold posts in churches is completely ridiculous and completely goes against Jesus....do you wanna know the 1 law that matters over anything named in Leviticus? Love thy neighbor, your neighbor isnt only the person sitting next to you or across the street, it is everyone in this world and Jesus wants you to love everyone unequivocally. Being Gay is not any worse of a sin than any of ours, I would say it might even be better than us as we spend our days holding grudges and lying to our neighbors, they in that sin are loving....

Love is never wrong

Uh, Leviticus what?

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Nothing wrong with being gay?

Love is never wrong?

1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1Jn 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The Love of God is never wrong. Love can be very wrong. Loving a way that is of the world or Satan is absolutely wrong.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Does that make me less of a Christian in some eyes?

Im tired of the old fashioned perspective on topics like these...Its like we are still living in the times of the Old Testament, things have changed and God knew these things would change, We learn more about the world now then we ever did and im still able to perfectly fit the Bible into my life, because The Bible is a book that points to God, it teaches you how to be a good person, it has never been a history book so why do we treat it as such? In the bigger scheme of things does it matter if there was a flood? Does it matter if Jonah was swallowed by a whale? Does it matter if the Earth was created in 7 days?

No.

These stories point us to God and teach us who he is and what he wants us to become. If you go back to the story of creation, I ask if it matters if the Earth was created in 6 days, I dont think it does, The 6 days show an ordered process that does follow the steps of evolution, it goes from plants to birds then land animals followed by people...the creation story is meant to tell us that we did not come about from chaos but that it was an ordered purposeful creation. Why spend time arguing about something so inconsequential when there are bigger issues about.

There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"


Good ol' Leviticus, this is a book that goes over everything that you would need to do to be Perfect...it is impossible for us to do alone, every single person reading this post has broken the Law set in Leviticus, lets name a few (if you want me to source these let me know but you will find them all there) Letting your hair become unkempt, tearing your clothes, stealing, lying, defrauding your neighbor, bearing a grudge, any tattoos, not standing in the presence of the elderly. These are all in Leviticus, what makes your sin better than theirs? Plus hating the Gay community and not allowing them to hold posts in churches is completely ridiculous and completely goes against Jesus....do you wanna know the 1 law that matters over anything named in Leviticus? Love thy neighbor, your neighbor isnt only the person sitting next to you or across the street, it is everyone in this world and Jesus wants you to love everyone unequivocally. Being Gay is not any worse of a sin than any of ours, I would say it might even be better than us as we spend our days holding grudges and lying to our neighbors, they in that sin are loving....

Love is never wrong

you must not know what love is for one, and two not know much about Jesus, or the word. Three - tolerance is for people, not truth.


1)Love is a choice, not a feeling, primarily
2)Sin is defined by God, and ultimately destroys, therefore to not hate sin, is not loving and shows that you ultimately don't care about that person, but how they make you feel in the moment
3)Adam and Jesus Christ are the two most important men in History, If Genesis is not literal historical like it is written then all the promises of God are null and void, and there really is no hope.
4)Marriage is defined as one man, one woman, for life in covenant with God - so important is this is that the bible says that it's a picture of Christ and His Church
5) All sin is equal in that it separates us from God, there are different sins that have worse impacts on our lives; seared consciences, militant desire to suppress the knowledge of God.
6)read your bible and do it

 

[know1]

There is NOTHING wrong with being Gay.


Lets all get the planks out of our eyes and realize that not one of us are good people, who are we to judge anyone? By thinking that we are better or more right than any other person in itself makes us sinners and not right to judge. I get it your arguments

Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them"

Why do you say that there is nothing wrong with being gay then show in the bible that it is a detestable/abominable act?
And why do you say it's not right to for a Christian to judge? Where does it say that? The bible says we are not to be hypocrites.
It also says that we are to use the bible for reproof and correction, and if we use the bible for this, then it is not us judging, but God.
Another thing, if the truth is not in you, then neither is Jesus. If you reject the truth, you reject Jesus, for He is the Truth.
One more thing, stop trying to justify your own sin for being gay.

 

[thecreationtutor]

I have itching ears, and have no problem with lies that destroy people - should rename thread

 

[SpiritofFire]

I have itching ears, and have no problem with lies that destroy people - should rename thread

Many more people actually believe the way you do, and that many are deceived.

 

[iamsoandso]

It is true, what is of God has no sin. In our morning prayer we are forgiven by God. We turn from sin, but the person who does that and is given grace has been even born in sin, it is in our DNA. We need Christ daily and He is sufficient.

That doesn't mean, like you are saying, that "I'm doomed, I'm a sinner, there is no hope, I'm never going to have a good life like God is talking about". That means we are going to cleanse ourselves from sin through Christ, learn about God's ways, turn from sin each day like it says in he Lord's Prayer, and live with Him.

When we go on about how we must deny how God instructs us to live, God didn't mean it when he gave us instruction and the HS God gave for our help is all we need, we don't need to make any effort in ourselves, or we are to0 holy and dainty to have the definition of sin given us to turn from is not from God, that is just poppycock.

It is worse than untruth! It is telling those who come to our churches to join in God's family that God never disciplines, God just accepts you so much you don't need the cross, God never judges. So when divorces happen, or they need brothers and sisters in God's family and no one hears, or girls have babies with no real fathers they say there is something wrong with the church and there is. They were told lies about God.

well said,,,,from the beginning of the thread i had no intention of responding,but watched the responses. in the title it's self it gives the intent. ,,,,,,"i believe in evolution and have no problem with gay marriage",,,,,,it says,,"i don't agree with the way the scriptures say the earth was created",,,,and "i have no intention of repenting of something the scriptures say is an abomination to god",,,,so with full intent the author has decided to reject the words of god.

then after a few comments the author turns the issue from what they state as their belief to,,,,,,"Christians sin also",,,that is they believe if they can prove the christian is also weak and commits sin they have created a safe zone for their own committed sin.,,,,,,,it seems as though the deception was partly successful in that many were compelled to agree.

it as i think you see,should be pointed out to the author of the o.p. that there is a huge difference between the two,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the christian does not deny the fact that they at times are weak and stumble into sin. they do not attempt to prove the things they stumble with in life are "not sin when they are",,,they instead acknowledge it as sin,repent of it,ask forgiveness of it and try their best to not fall there again",,,,

where in the thread title and the o.p the author states many scriptures of biblical teaching,history ect. and then states "does it matter how it happened?,,no",,,,so the author has made a conscious decision that their own explanation of creation super-cedes gods in wisdom and "by stating they believe in evolution" have made the choice to follow it.

homosexuality as with any sin is a sin as explained in the scriptures,yet the author states "i have no problem with gay marriage",,,so the author has made the decision that although they have read in the scriptures that murder,adultery,Coventry ect. are considered as sin they have the ability to narrow down to one of them and avoid the necessity to repent of it and still remain in the grace of god.

so one cannot say "i think it is acceptable to murder,so i can do it and i need not repent",or the same with any sin,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"dear author,as with all sin's the christian path is to repent of it and ask forgiveness,then make a willful attempt to turn from it,even homosexuality",,,,,,,,red tent i know you understood this from the things you stated in your post,i see you trying to direct things back to the correct path,,,,,godspeed,,,

 

[thecreationtutor]

Many more people actually believe the way you do, and that many are deceived.

believe what you want and welcome the consequences as yours,

truth and time go hand in hand

-a man convinced of his will is of the same opinion still

 

[Bookends]

Greenie name the sin my wife commit please. My wife is one of these people.....1 john 3:9.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And one of these... 1 John 5:18... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

And God did perfect HIS LOVE IN HER.... She is also one of these people.... But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Greenie, LT, all the sinners, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO..... Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Please stop spreading the Gospel of NO HOPE! Satan's Gospel about Jesus covering you with His Blood? Show me the verse I beg you show me the verse, that says JEsus calls sinner to be sinners.... And God does not complete a sinner to a HOLY GODLY MAN IN CHRIST....

Do you have a hope on Jesus, and a hope to be a Child of God... then PURIFY YOURSELVES AS HE IS PURE.....And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

How can an selfproclaimed IMPURE person teach other impure persons about the Gospel that make pure and perfect? Silly, that is what I think, SILLY to think God's salvation is not PERFECT!!!

It is NOT your job to be perfect, it is GOD'S job to make you perfect. But how can He do it if you do not BELIEVE HIM? He is the one that CAUSE you to be perfect... HE is the ONE...

How do you know your wife or anyone is sinless. Only God knows the heart.

 

[Bookends]

By your definition, are you not continuing to "wilfully sin" until death?

We know all these things go to the grave. Why continue to then build upon what God has already destroyed?

1) Not perfectly I'm sure. Selfishness is the biggest willful sin.

2)Because Sin has negative consequences here on earth an in the afterlife (in degree of punishment and rewards).

 

[Bookends]

I agree, if I am sinner in the thief department how can I tell sinner in the Adultery department to repent and stop adultery... It is a JOKE man.... What a hypocrate is a sinner that wants to ell another sinner to REPENT... ALL SIN LEADS TO DEATH.... ALL!!!! Only the ones you repent from will be DESTROYED.... Actually as Spiritoffire, says they are ALREADY DESTROYED....

Bookends I know you NEVER understood me YET, so I will try once more to show you something...

Let us say you only committed one sin... you steal from some person everyday... So you are a thief... Me, I steal, and I commit adultery and I kill every year one person... I have THREE sins to repent from and you have one. Now I stop stealing, and I repent from stealing and God makes me free from stealing. Am I repented now? Can I tell you to stop stealing? NO!!!! I still have TWO logs in my eye... But now I repent frrom murder, and then from adultery, and Jesus take it AWAY from me... And you still steal... Now I am CLEAN, there is NO MORE SIN IN ME... I am SAINT now... Do you think there is still even a splint in my eye if JESUS takes it away from me? NOPE, Jesus says he came to TAKE AWAY my sin and HE DID... How?

First he showed me the sin, then he gave me a heart that repent, and a will to stop... and that happened with ALL sin in my life.. I am now: No more sinning and: Jesus helped me and set me free...AND: I am now a Cleansed person. I am WASHED IN THE BLOOD... And as pure as God is pure... now God has to do something to ensure I do NOT STUMBLE AGAIN... That is why He implants HIS SPIRIT IN ME (God's SEED)... that SPIRIT (SEED) GOD uses to RECREATE my flesh to be a VESSEL FOR HIS SPIRIT... THAT SPIRIT CANNOT SIN.... Where is my spirit? IN CHRIST JESUS... IN THE HOLY FATHER.... AND HIS SPIRIT IS IN ME... The washed person can already share the DO NOT SIN, but the Holy Spirit that comes into the cleansed person is CHRIST HIMSELF.. why can't HE SAY.... BE PERFECT EVEN AS YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT... Can He and MAY He command you this? Rememer the SAME Spirit that was in Jesus is not FULLY IN ME.... Why can't that Spirit be perfect even in my flesh?

That is why a RIGHTEOUS HOLY MAN OF GOD, has EXACT same authority than Jesus had... Such a man may...These things command and teach.

I've come to the conclusion we will never understand each other. If I am a thief and I go to you who is also a thief and say "hey, we both know stealing is wrong and against God's will, it is a sin, and I am guilty of stealing but I know I shouldn't do it. I've repented and now try to live a life pleasing to God. Therefore You should repeat and shouldn't steal as well. I know I"m a sinner in other things too, I'm not perfect, but the Lord and deliver you." I have just removed the log in my eye, to help you remove the speck in yours. A righteous judgment has really nothing to do with how clean we are, we are just calling what is wrong wrong, that sin is sin, it is wrong to steal or sin and me saying so is a righteous judgment.

 

[Bookends]

The key word being righteous. We are only to judge that if one man died for all, then all were dead. Simple.

Was the apostle Paul any different the you or I? But yet he judged the sinful actions of others. The two most prominent in my mind right now is when Paul confronted Peter to his face regarding circumcision ( in Galatians) and Paul state he as already judged the man whom was boasting about having sex with his mother in 1 Corinthians 5.

We don't have to be sinless to call sin sin. A righteous judgment is one which calls sin, wrong doing, what it really is. We are just not to do hypocritically (meaning that we shouldn't tell some to stop their problem, whatever it is, and we ourselves continue to do what we are pointing out to them. For example, I shouldn't tell my kids not to swear or take the Lord's name in vain, if I continue to do so myself. I shouldn't tell my wife she needs to read the bible, if I don't do it myself. etc. etc.

I'd hate to live in a world where there was no righteous judgment, the world would all hell then, Our God is a God of mercy and justice.

 

[Bookends]

I've come to the conclusion we will never understand each other. If I am a thief and I go to you who is also a thief and say "hey, we both know stealing is wrong and against God's will, it is a sin, and I am guilty of stealing but I know I shouldn't do it. I've repented and now try to live a life pleasing to God. Therefore You should repent and shouldn't steal as well. I know I"m a sinner in other things too, I'm not perfect, but the Lord and deliver you." I have just removed the log in my eye, to help you remove the speck in yours. A righteous judgment has really nothing to do with how clean we are, we are just calling what is wrong wrong, that sin is sin, it is wrong to steal or sin and me saying so is a righteous judgment.

correction....

 

[Wanderers]

Without quoting the oft quoted gag, 'God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve'...(ooops) the most obvious opposition to gay relationships is that if we were all gay then it is doubtful the earth would ever have been populated.

And then one day, a friend came round to my house for supper and during discourses over the meal he informed me that the reason why he has resisted the charms of a rather attractive lady was because he was gay. 'And another thing', he proclaimed, 'is I fancy you' (or words to that affect). Stunned, shocked and shocked some more was I.

Now here's the odd thing: I did not react in the way I always imagined I would. I kind of felt sorry for him. We went out for a beer soon after and the relief in his demeanour was palpable. He looked happy and 'free' that he had told someone. And, even more oddly, I did not feel the charge to condemn. Instead, I was 'content' to disagree with his choice but still maintain his friendship. As long as he didn't put his hand on my knee!!

And I wonder: how often does Jesus disagree with our choices but still loves us. After all, we are all ultimately accountable for our own actions and the only thing that can change and convict is the presence of the living God.

As for evolution, I sit on the fence with this one but I do know that it takes more of a leap of faith to believe in it (evolution from nothing) than it does to believe in a creator. It is for a reason it is still the 'theory' of evolution after all.

 

[Elizabeth619]

how often does Jesus disagree with our choices but still loves us

That's why he died.

 

[jeno]

Just my opinion....If you believe in evolution...you must not believe the bible...If you believe some of the Bible then you must believe ALL of it...you cant take away from or add to it!

 

[Wanderers]

That's why he died.

..and arose from the dead .

But I fear this simple fact is often missed by us Christians. Some chap from the 16th century wrote that a Christian believes judgement and hell applies to everyone (including other proclaiming Christians) but himself. However, when it comes to himself, this Christian excuses his own action because he believes God understands his heart and reasons for sinning.

 

[danschance]

The bible is very clear that homosexuality is a sin both in the Old Testament and the New Testament. So if a person claims homosexuality is OK, then they are at odds with scripture. They are declaring the bible is wrong and they are right.

The bible also declares that God created life. The bible says God created plants, animals and humans. So again, if you believe evolution then you are also declaring that you know better than the bible. In essence, you are declaring the bible is not the word of God but is in error.

 

[4enlightment]

Greenie name the sin my wife commit please. My wife is one of these people.....1 john 3:9.... Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And one of these... 1 John 5:18... We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

And God did perfect HIS LOVE IN HER.... She is also one of these people.... But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Greenie, LT, all the sinners, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO..... Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Please stop spreading the Gospel of NO HOPE! Satan's Gospel about Jesus covering you with His Blood? Show me the verse I beg you show me the verse, that says JEsus calls sinner to be sinners.... And God does not complete a sinner to a HOLY GODLY MAN IN CHRIST....

Do you have a hope on Jesus, and a hope to be a Child of God... then PURIFY YOURSELVES AS HE IS PURE.....And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

How can an selfproclaimed IMPURE person teach other impure persons about the Gospel that make pure and perfect? Silly, that is what I think, SILLY to think God's salvation is not PERFECT!!!

It is NOT your job to be perfect, it is GOD'S job to make you perfect. But how can He do it if you do not BELIEVE HIM? He is the one that CAUSE you to be perfect... HE is the ONE...

Roman 7:14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am nonspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!

Matthew 26:41
“Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

Mark 10:18“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

Thank God for Mercy...., Because I couldn't do what John and Elijah had done by living in the wilderness and cutting away cold turkey from worldly things, can you?

 

[Cobus]

How do you know your wife or anyone is sinless. Only God knows the heart.

I know because God said His Spirit will witness with the Children of God that they are the children of God.... The love and peace and soft manner, hard working, unselfishness, and absolute devotion to serve, is evident in the woman who show Godliness...


I asked God and studied His Word what a Godly woman looks like.... My wife fits the description PERFECTLY....All who knows my wife knows they met something special.... They all would say... she is a good person is she not. I would always reply, ... you have no idea....

Bookie God sais we can see it in the eyes... the eyes are the lamo to the soul and spirit.... Boy does she shine.... I know she is a holy person, with so many Scripture to back up what she lives out.... that is how I know... I can see even when I used to start thinking bad about some person she would always see it coming, like she can read my mind, and say... Do not harden your heart my husband, you are bigger than that... She would always know how to HELP me with the softest of words. Every day she is my HELP. Exactly like God designed women....

She is by far the best wife and mother, I ever saw. Everybody also agrees. Let me assure you bookie, if you meet her within three minutes you would agree... you cannot meet a better person... What is better than perfect?

I am so blessed to have such a wife, God must have known only an ANGEL will be good enough to be my help....