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fulfilled.
if it isn't
you're not saved either.
Joel 2
The LORD Will Pour Out His Spirit
28 d “And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh;
your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your old men shall dream dreams,
and your young men shall see visions.
29 Even on the male and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
Acts 2
16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy
if it isn't
you're not saved either.
Joel 2
The LORD Will Pour Out His Spirit
28 d “And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh;
your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
your old men shall dream dreams,
and your young men shall see visions.
29 Even on the male and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit.
John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
Acts 2
16but this is what was spoken of through the prophet Joel: 17'AND IT SHALL BE IN THE LAST DAYS,' God says, 'THAT I WILL POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL MANKIND; AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, AND YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, AND YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS; 18EVEN ON MY BONDSLAVES, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I WILL IN THOSE DAYS POUR FORTH OF MY SPIRIT And they shall prophesy
O T History had a Two Fold meaning !
From our previous witness we showed how the inspired Paul spiritualized OT History in divulging that God had more than one meaning. For it is hard to miss this pattern, for there was an obvious literal, natural meaning.
This is premised on a biblical order that God has established and maintained throughout world history, that is the natural first, then the spiritual 1 Cor 15:46
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
And no, it does not revert back to natural as some erroneously teach..
So, God's People Israel takes on two forms, first Natural Israel and afterward Spiritual Israel..
Natural Israel was the Church in the wilderness Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
And we have the Spiritual Church Israel in the wilderness Rev 12:13-14
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The women here is the Church, the remnant of the seed of the women which was Christ..
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Col 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
And so this method as per 1 Cor 15:45 The natural then the spiritual is how Paul understands the OT scripture, this cannot be denied.
Paul speaks of the First and Natural Adam and the second and Spiritual Adam 1 Cor 15:45,47or who we know is the Lord Jesus Christ.
So the First Adam a very real and natural person whose life is recorded in the OT scripture, is a representative of a Truth greater than he, there was something about him more deeper and spiritual, this is again alluded to by Paul here Eph 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Again Paul points this out in Rom 5:14
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
However, by mere casual reading of the scripture, these deeper sublime truths would have not been revealed, but God raised up Paul for that purpose, and of course the Holy Spirit teaches these things through Him..
I am here to tell you today, the natural Israel was merely a type a figure, the natural of the Spiritual Israel, the Church, God's Heavenly People 84
From our previous witness we showed how the inspired Paul spiritualized OT History in divulging that God had more than one meaning. For it is hard to miss this pattern, for there was an obvious literal, natural meaning.
This is premised on a biblical order that God has established and maintained throughout world history, that is the natural first, then the spiritual 1 Cor 15:46
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
And no, it does not revert back to natural as some erroneously teach..
So, God's People Israel takes on two forms, first Natural Israel and afterward Spiritual Israel..
Natural Israel was the Church in the wilderness Acts 7:38
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
And we have the Spiritual Church Israel in the wilderness Rev 12:13-14
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
The women here is the Church, the remnant of the seed of the women which was Christ..
17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church Eph 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.
Col 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:
And so this method as per 1 Cor 15:45 The natural then the spiritual is how Paul understands the OT scripture, this cannot be denied.
Paul speaks of the First and Natural Adam and the second and Spiritual Adam 1 Cor 15:45,47or who we know is the Lord Jesus Christ.
So the First Adam a very real and natural person whose life is recorded in the OT scripture, is a representative of a Truth greater than he, there was something about him more deeper and spiritual, this is again alluded to by Paul here Eph 5:31-32
31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Again Paul points this out in Rom 5:14
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
However, by mere casual reading of the scripture, these deeper sublime truths would have not been revealed, but God raised up Paul for that purpose, and of course the Holy Spirit teaches these things through Him..
I am here to tell you today, the natural Israel was merely a type a figure, the natural of the Spiritual Israel, the Church, God's Heavenly People 84
Romans 11
11I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
"how much more will their fulfillment be" - is not about some date in our future. it's about a condition they were in, which is revealed in verse 12.
their transgression < came to an end (Dan 9:24) through the work of Messiah; the repentant were saved, the unrepentant perished (70AD).
12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!
their full inclusion means the condition of the repentant being fully included in the New Covenant
it does NOT mean every single Israelite will be saved - this is impossible, since most perished in 70AD; and most (like gentiles) reject Jesus Christ.
since 70AD the jews are be saved in the same manner as the gentiles.
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19“Well,” you may say, “those branches were broken off to make room for me.” 20Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn’t believe in Christ, and you are there because you do believe. So don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen. 21For if God did not spare the original branches, he won’tf spare you either.
22Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off. 23And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.
^ NO GUARANTEE BASED ON BIRTH ^
SEVERITY AS WELL AS KINDNESS.
11I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they? May it never be! But by their transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make them jealous. 12Now if their transgression is riches for the world and their failure is riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fulfillment be!
"how much more will their fulfillment be" - is not about some date in our future. it's about a condition they were in, which is revealed in verse 12.
their transgression < came to an end (Dan 9:24) through the work of Messiah; the repentant were saved, the unrepentant perished (70AD).
12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!
their full inclusion means the condition of the repentant being fully included in the New Covenant
it does NOT mean every single Israelite will be saved - this is impossible, since most perished in 70AD; and most (like gentiles) reject Jesus Christ.
since 70AD the jews are be saved in the same manner as the gentiles.
.....
19“Well,” you may say, “those branches were broken off to make room for me.” 20Yes, but remember—those branches were broken off because they didn’t believe in Christ, and you are there because you do believe. So don’t think highly of yourself, but fear what could happen. 21For if God did not spare the original branches, he won’tf spare you either.
22Notice how God is both kind and severe. He is severe toward those who disobeyed, but kind to you if you continue to trust in his kindness. But if you stop trusting, you also will be cut off. 23And if the people of Israel turn from their unbelief, they will be grafted in again, for God has the power to graft them back into the tree.
^ NO GUARANTEE BASED ON BIRTH ^
SEVERITY AS WELL AS KINDNESS.
unconditional?
no, i don't think so.
Luke 19
"If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43"For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."
the condition is faith in and worship of JESUS CHRIST.
nothing less.
no, i don't think so.
Luke 19
"If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43"For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation."
the condition is faith in and worship of JESUS CHRIST.
nothing less.
K
Look, the only reason why Israel was God's chosen people is because He chose them to bring the redeemer and that is Jesus Christ. Since Jesus, has Israel been blessed? Well for thousands of years there was no Israel. Now God is holding true to His promise to David, That he would have a son to sit on the throne of Israel forever. That throne is being established as we speak. Then the people who are left of Israel will accept Jesus as the Messiah. Israel are children of Abraham by blood, we are his children by faith and faith always wins.
L
If God's love for Israel is "conditional", based on faith in and worship of Jesus Christ, then God's love for the world is "conditional" , based on faith in and worship of Jesus Christ.....otherwise that would make God a "respecter of persons". Scripture says that God is "no respecter of persons":
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (The gifts and calling of the true God do not change).
Israel still exists as a nation just as prophecy foretold it would. The nation Israel is back in its land in preparation for the literal fulfillment of all the prophecies pertaining to it. This supports the belief that God has not permanently rejected the nation Israel, but has only temporarily set them aside until He is ready to fulfill His promises to them.
An amillennialist accepts only those parts of the Word of God he/she wants to. Are you an amillennialist, zone?
Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. (The gifts and calling of the true God do not change).
Israel still exists as a nation just as prophecy foretold it would. The nation Israel is back in its land in preparation for the literal fulfillment of all the prophecies pertaining to it. This supports the belief that God has not permanently rejected the nation Israel, but has only temporarily set them aside until He is ready to fulfill His promises to them.
An amillennialist accepts only those parts of the Word of God he/she wants to. Are you an amillennialist, zone?
B
Zone, a link for you.
doubt it.
When it happens it will not be your choice because it will come upon you like a flood and hopefully your heart will be full of humility and remorse (which is a good thing) so that condemnation does not take over your heart. You have this understanding for now but it will pass and the knowledge of the truth will prevail in all areas of the word and in doctrine. The Spirit can only be resisted for so long because something happens to wake us up unto God's words of righteousness. No more, blah, blah, blah, mocking and cursing, but rather, yes Lord and blessing. This is the same hope that the Jews have who have been obstinate and stubborn but will one day see the Messiah coming from heaven and they will mourn and weep and broken in spirit and God will forgive them and deliver them and they shall be saved.
doubt it.
B
ZONE
You have not dealt with Zech 12:9-14 because it involves too many specifics for you to deal with concerning Jerusalem, the valley of Megiddon, the land and the house of David, the house of Levi and Shemei and this thing about all the families that remain. How are you going to make it all fit into your doctrine? To have to deal with these specifics would put you in a dilemma and a different time frame than how you like to apply this prophecy of Zechariah. Verse 10 is a complexity for you because God is going to actually pour out his Spirit unto the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem when the NATIONS come against Jerusalem and God seeks to destroy them. In that day according to verse 3 all the nations shall come and gather against Jerusalem.
Here read it for yourself and deeply reflect upon when these specific things took place (In that day) by the hand of God prior to and in conjunction with God pouring out his spirit of grace and supplication that you believe refers only to the time frame of Acts 2. Give an account for all these specific things that according to you have been fulfilled in the following verses.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.
6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Surely you must have concrete evidence for these things being fulfilled or you would never believe the way you believe. I am dying to know how you understand verse 6...
In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Please tell me when any of this took place in proximity prior to Pentecost, during Pentecost or even after Pentecost? Is verse 6 just a bunch of 'mumbo jumbo' that does not matter and has no relevance concerning the inhabitance of Jerusalem? Are you going to allow other things to trump what has been given as specifics in this verse as well as the entire chapter? Perhaps this is speaking of 'heavenly' Jerusalem and all this happened 'spiritually speaking' with no direct evidence to substantiate the specifics claims given by God to Zechariah.
You have not dealt with Zech 12:9-14 because it involves too many specifics for you to deal with concerning Jerusalem, the valley of Megiddon, the land and the house of David, the house of Levi and Shemei and this thing about all the families that remain. How are you going to make it all fit into your doctrine? To have to deal with these specifics would put you in a dilemma and a different time frame than how you like to apply this prophecy of Zechariah. Verse 10 is a complexity for you because God is going to actually pour out his Spirit unto the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem when the NATIONS come against Jerusalem and God seeks to destroy them. In that day according to verse 3 all the nations shall come and gather against Jerusalem.
Here read it for yourself and deeply reflect upon when these specific things took place (In that day) by the hand of God prior to and in conjunction with God pouring out his spirit of grace and supplication that you believe refers only to the time frame of Acts 2. Give an account for all these specific things that according to you have been fulfilled in the following verses.
3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.
6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Surely you must have concrete evidence for these things being fulfilled or you would never believe the way you believe. I am dying to know how you understand verse 6...
In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Please tell me when any of this took place in proximity prior to Pentecost, during Pentecost or even after Pentecost? Is verse 6 just a bunch of 'mumbo jumbo' that does not matter and has no relevance concerning the inhabitance of Jerusalem? Are you going to allow other things to trump what has been given as specifics in this verse as well as the entire chapter? Perhaps this is speaking of 'heavenly' Jerusalem and all this happened 'spiritually speaking' with no direct evidence to substantiate the specifics claims given by God to Zechariah.
like........i'll go:
OH NOOOOO!
Millions of people just vanished (which the Bible never said one single word about)!
it must be that pretrib rapture Red kept going on about (that has nothing to do with the Bible)!
apparently The Spirit can be resisted, with no sign He's even working to free you....
...from the Theological Prison: premillennial DISPENSATIONALISM *heresy
maybe it's judgment.
i have no idea how many others you are responsible for locking into bondage with you.
doubt you'll read this, but hopefully someone will:
...
How Thieves Corrupted the Bible
"....The most convincing evidence of the unseen Zionist hand that wrote the Scofield notes to the venerable King James Bible is the content of the notes themselves, for only Zionists could have written them. These notes are the subject of this paper.
Oxford edited the former 1945 Edition of SRB in 1967, at the time of the Six Day War when Israel occupied Palestine. The new footnotes to the King James Bible presumptuously granted the rights to the Palestinians' land to the State of Israel and specifically denied the Arab Palestinians any such rights at all. One of the most brazen and outrageous of these NEWLY INSERTED footnotes states:
"FOR A NATION TO COMMIT THE SIN OF ANTI-SEMITISM BRINGS INEVITABLE JUDGMENT." (page 19-20, footnote (3) to Genesis 12:3.) (our emphasis added)
This statement sounds like something from Ariel Sharon, or the Chief Rabbi in Tel Aviv, or Theodore Herzl, the founder of Modern Zionism. But these exact words are found between the covers of the 1967 Edition of the Oxford Bible that is followed by millions of American churchgoers and students and is used by their leaders as a source for their preaching and teaching.
There was also no "State of Israel" when Scofield wrote his original notes in his concocted Scofield Reference Bible in 1908. All references to Israel as a state were added AFTER 1947, when Israel was granted statehood by edict of the United Nations. The Oxford University Press simply rewrote its version of the Christian Bible in 1967 to make antipathy toward the "State of Israel" a "sin." Israel is made a god to be worshiped, not merely a "state." David Ben-Gurion could not have written it better. Perhaps he did write it!
The Oxford 1967 Edition continues on page 19:
"(2) GOD MADE AN UNCONDITIONAL PROMISE OF BLESSINGS THROUGH ABRAM'S SEED (a) TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL TO INHERIT A SPECIFIC TERRITORY FOREVER"
"(3) THERE IS A PROMISE OF BLESSING UPON THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND NATIONS WHO BLESS ABRAM'S DESCENDANTS, AND A CURSE LAID UPON THOSE WHO PERSECUTE THE JEWS." (Page 19, 1967 Edition Genesis 12:1-3)
This bequeath is joined to an Oxford prophesy that never occurs in the Bible itself:
"IT HAS INVARIABLY FARED ILL WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PERSECUTED THE JEW, WELL WITH THOSE WHO HAVE PROTECTED HIM." and "THE FUTURE WILL STILL MORE REMARKABLY PROVE THIS PRINCIPLE"(footnote (3) bottom of page19-20Genesis 12:3)
None of these notes appeared in the original Scofield Reference Bible or in the 1917 or 1945 editions. The state of Israel DID NOT EXIST in 1945, and according to the best dictionaries of the time, the word "Israel" only referred to a particular man and an ancient tribe, which is consistent with the Bible text. See "Israel," Webster's New International Dictionary 2nd (1950) Edition.
All of this language, including the prophecy about the future being really bad for those who "persecute the Jews," reflects and furthers the goals of the Anti-Defamation League, which has a stated goal of creating an environment where opposing the State of Israel is considered "anti-Semitism," and "anti-Semitism" is a "hate crime" punishable by law. This dream has become a reality in the Christian Zionist churches of America. Only someone with these goals could have written this footnote.
The State of Israel's legal claims to Arab lands are based on the United Nations Partitioning Agreement of 1947, which gave the Jews only a fraction of the land they have since occupied by force. But when this author went to Israel and asked various Israelis where they got the right to occupy Palestine, each invariably said words to the effect that "God gave it to us." This interpretation of Hebrew scripture stems from the book of Genesis and is called the "Abrahamic Covenant". It is repeated several times and begins with God's promise to a man called Abraham who was eventually to become the grandfather of a man called "Israel:"
"[2] AND I WILL MAKE OF THEE A GREAT NATION, AND I WILL BLESS THEE, AND MAKE THY NAME GREAT; AND THOU SHALL BE A BLESSING:"
"[3] AND I WILL BLESS THEM THAT BLESS THEE, AND CURSE HIM THAT CURSETH THEE: AND IN THEE SHALL ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED." Genesis 12:3, King James Edition.
It is upon this promise to a single person that modern Israeli Zionists base their claims to what amounts to the entire Mid-East. Its logic is roughly the equivalent of someone claiming to be the heir to the John Paul Getty estate because the great man had once sent a letter to someone's cousin seven times removed containing the salutation "wishing you my very best." In the publication, "Sherry's War," We Hold These Truths provides a common sense discussion of the Abrahamic Covenant and how millions of Christians are taught to misunderstand it.
...American Judeo-Christians, more recently labeled "Christian Zionists," have remained mute during wars upon Israel's enemies in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia and elsewhere. It is past time to stop the spilling of more blood, some of it Christian blood.
Now, for evidence of the intent of the Zionists deception of Christians, let us examine some Scofield's notes that have been altered or removed by Oxford after his death. In 1908 Scofield wrote in 1908:
"THE CONTRAST, 'I KNOW THAT YE ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED' - 'IF YE WERE ABRAHAM'S CHILDREN' IS THAT BETWEEN THE NATURAL AND THE SPIRITUAL POSTERITY OF ABRAHAM. THE ISRAELITISH PEOPLE AND ISHMAELITISH PEOPLE ARE THE FORMER; ALL WHO ARE 'OF THE PRECIOUS FAITH WITH ABRAHAM,' WHETHER JEWS OR GENTILES, ARE THE LATTER (ROM 9, 6-8; GAL, 4-14.) SEE 'ABRAHAMIC COVENANT' GEN. 15, 18, NOTE)." ( Scofield's 1945 edition, page 1127, note to John 8:39)
Compare that with the Oxford note substituted in the 1967 Edition:
"8:37 ALL JEWS ARE NATURAL DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM, BUT ARE NOT NECESSARILY HIS SPIRITUAL POSTERITY, CP Rom 9-6-8, Gal 3: 6-14" (Note (1) P1136, Oxford 1967 Edition, note to Jn 8:37.)
How, pray tell, can "all Jews" be "natural descendants of Abraham," a Chaldean who lived some 3000 years ago? Persons of all races are Jews and new Jews are being converted every day from every race. One might as well say all Lutherans are the natural descendants of Martin Luther; or that all Baptists come from the loins of John the Baptist. This note could only have been written by an Israeli patriot, for no one else would have a vested interest in promoting this genetic nonsense. Shame on those who accept this racism; it is apostate Christianity.....
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Christian Zionism may be the most bloodthirsty apostasy in the entire history of Christianity or any other religion. Shame on its leaders: they have already brought the blood of untold numbers innocent people down upon the spires and prayer benches of America's churches.
- C. E. Carlson, We Hold These Truths
i know Red - when the Mystery Gentile Grace Age Gap Church disappears in the LUDICROUS Pretrib Rapture; all things revert to DA OLD TESTAMENT....levites and everything
can't do a thing for ya - been tryin' for years.
you're just a garden variety heretik.
utterly intractable, and though you don't care about your own spiritual health...you're a danger to others.
soooooooooo.........we'll keep going over and over and over your NONSENSE.
maybe it'll click for someone someday.
(cough)