Why Protestant Pastors Should Follow Pope Francis' Lead

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Why Protestant Pastors Should Follow Pope Francis' Lead


I'm Protestant, but I'm fan of Pope Francis.
A big fan.
No one is without their flaws, but when it comes to the Christian faith and in particular being Christ-like he just seems to get it, probably more than any other major Christian leader I know.

From rejecting the luxuries of the papal apartment to washing the feet of a Muslim female inmate to his theology that seems more concerned with loving the poor and defending the oppressed than drawing lines of exclusion to that time last week when he put a kid on the papal seat during a talk at St. Peter's or just the other day when he embraced and kissed a man stricken with a disfiguring skin disease Pope Francis never ceases to wow me and, more often than not, bring a few tears to my eyes.
Again, I'm not Roman Catholic, but he's the sort of leader I would gladly follow, the kind of Christ-like example I want to follow.
But incarnated grace aside, the thing that's really shocked me the most about Pope Francis is the response he's received from those outside the faith.
And I don't just mean non-Catholics.
I mean those of entirely different religious traditions, but especially those with no religious affiliation at all and those who oppose religion altogether.
If you spend enough time on the internet, you can just about predict the sorts of comments that will appear under religious news stories, particularly stories about the Roman Catholic church. To say the comments are typically not kind would be an understatement. Even calling them irrationally hateful doesn't quite capture the vitriol spewed in those comment sections.
Which is why I've been so blown away by the comments left on stories about Pope Francis.
I expected to find cheap shots about the child abuse scandal, dismissals of his actions as a PR stunt, or at least a bizarre rant about how helping the poor is actually evil.
But I've found almost none of that. And trust me I've tried to find it.
I winced in fear the first time I scrolled down to the comments section under a Pope Francis story that really moved me, knowing the internet trolls would be there waiting to gleefully destroy my happiness. But they weren't there. So I kept scrolling. And still nothing. Then I went to another site thinking surely they've got to be hiding out over there. But they were virtually nowhere to be found.
Instead, over and over again I keep finding comments like this....
I'm not Catholic, but man do I love this Pope! (Buzzfeed)
Agreed. I'm a Recovered Catholic, born-again pagan- but this is one cool dude! (Buzzfeed)
I'm an atheist, but I am really starting to like Pope Francis. He really seems like he understands that the church should be focusing on doing what Jesus said- helping the poor, needy and undesirables. If more Christians would actually live their life like this- Christianity wouldn't get such a bad reputation. I truly hope Pope Francis continues on this path. I know he will do great things in his time for the church. (Huffington Post)
Though I am not Catholic or even religious, my respect for Pope Francis continues to grow. He strikes me as a true man of Christ. (Yahoo)
Makes me want to rethink my atheism. What a kind, good hearted, loving human this pope is. (Yahoo)
This Pope is crushing it. I'm an atheist from a very religious family, but I'm so pleased about some of Pope Francis' actions and stances. He gets it, and the church needs it. (CNN)
I have long held a grudge against the Catholic Church (and the Christian faith) for the hypocrisy and intolerance so often exhibited by its practitioners. In no time in my life have I liked a Pope or felt that they embodied what Protestants and/or Catholics proclaim is the essence of their Christian faith. That is, until Pope Francis. I'm thrilled to finally see a religious leader so full of love and compassion. Though I am not Catholic, I truly believe that Pope Francis is a wonderful human being and actually deserves the respect he is given. (Washington Post)
I am certainly no fan of the RCC, but this pope? Is a class act. Shine on, Your Eminence, shine on. (Huffington Post)
Now, I'm not dumb. Well, at least not that dumb. I'm well aware of the fact that there are some not so nice comments out there in these comment sections too, but they're usually hard to find and even when you do find them, they're lacking the usual sting you expect to find.
And I know that drawing attention to the lack of vitriol will undoubtedly bring the trolls out from under their bridges.
But as someone (a blogger) who spends an absurd amount of time on the internet and an equally absurd amount of time reading through comments, I'm telling you this simple presence of love where there is usually only hate is a big deal. I've never seen anything like it and I don't think I'm likely to see such a near universal outpouring of love, support, open-mindedness, acceptance, and grace again anytime soon - if ever.
That's just not the way the internet works. The internet breeds cynicism and hate. It's like it's in its DNA. Even in the most warm-hearted stories you'll find somebody making a cynical, hateful, or smartass remark just because they can.
But with Pope Francis it's just not there and its absence is incredible.
Maybe even more incredible is the fact that Pope Francis hasn't just silenced his critics.
He's won them over.
Which makes me really hopeful.
Not hopeful that everyone is suddenly going to become Christians. I'm just hopeful that maybe, just maybe some old wounds can begin to heal, wounds that too often the church has inflicted. And if that can begin to happen, then maybe, just maybe Pope Francis' example and the goodwill he's engendering will allow us all, both Christian and atheist, agnostic and Catholic, to beat our swords into ploughshares and find a way to coexist peacefully.
Which is why I really, really hope other Christian leaders, especially the celebrity pastor kind who wield enormous influence among Protestants, are taking note of Pope Francis and the response he's receiving.
As a Church we lose so much sleep over millennials leaving and our inability to reach those outside our community of faith, particularly those who are antagonistic towards religion. So, we create elaborate programs. And spend fortunes on buildings and worship bands and stage lighting and multimedia experiences. And when that doesn't work we try hitting people with some good ole fashioned "turn or burn," God hates you and you're going to hell preaching.
But it's not working.
People are leaving in droves despite our fancy graphics and despite our best efforts to literally scare the hell out of them.
And yet here is this humble man from Argentina who doesn't seem to care at all about outreach programs or marketing campaigns or cutting edge worship. He's shunned the glamorous house that came with his celebrity status, stopped battling over theological issues that aren't worth fighting over, and instead of trying to scare people into heaven with words about God's wrath, he's chosen to embody God's love to the least of these with his actions.
And the world is loving it. Young and old, he's being embraced everywhere he goes. Even those who have no love whatsoever for religion, love this man and what he is doing.
As the Church, we would describe it this way, "They're loving the incarnated love and grace of Christ unfold before their eyes."
Which means in his simple humility and compassionate servitude, Pope Francis is succeeding where our best programming and marketing efforts have failed - he's reaching those who don't want to be reached.
So pastors, if you're out there and you're listening and you really care about reaching the people in your own community, stop listening to the ministry gurus tell you how to grow your church. Stop funneling money into the latest fad program. Stop being a slave to the latest worship trend. Stop trying to be like the celebrity megachurch pastor you follow online and start trying to be more like Pope Francis.
If nothing else, it's cheaper and the results speak for themselves.
But more importantly, it's a much more Christ-like way of leading and living than most of us have seen in a very, very long time. The kind of example the Church needs now maybe more than ever. The kind of example all of us need to embody whether we're the pope or a pastor or just somebody sitting in the pews.
As Pope Francis seems to be reminding us each and every day, if Christianity is going to have any credibility it has to be to lived out, not just talked about.
He's doing a lot to restore some of that credibility.
I can't wait to see what he does next.

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People typically appreciate a show of humility by a person in power. I'll give you that much.
 
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I'm glad all the trumpets and the cameras of the city were there, wouldn't want someone to not know. I must say, I've never seen a maxi pad that clean.

Works without gospel are meaningless. Just another pharisee trying to scrub clean the outside of the cup.
 
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Wait... so we should follow Pope Francis as our example of how to be Christ-like? Why not leave out the cult leader and just let Christ be our example?
 
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I don't appreciaate the Catholic gospel at all, which turns salvation into something that can be earned by works, or their idolatry, or their view on the authority of the Bible. I really really wish the Pope left the bad doctrine and preached the true gospel, which is Jesus and his sacrifice and nothing more. I

I do agree with you though on what you're saying. He acts very Christ-like, and that is admirable. I have experienced lack of compassion from people of the church, but that doesn't mean we need this man to change things around. The Church could learn more about compassion all the time, but it would be a mistake to say we need a human leader to learn this. The Church has a leader, and he is Christ. If we all strived to be more like Christ, we would be more compassionate. The Pope is human, he is sinful, he might have a lot of qualities, (Not his doctrine though!), but he is not our example, Christ is. While I admire what he did on these occasions, it's also worrying to me the doctrine that he preaches. We can admire him, and we can admire even atheists who show compassion, but reject the bad doctrine.
 

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I think we can learn a lot of lessons in humilty from the pope. It is just a pity he prays to humans and statues.

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maxwel

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I'd be a fan of the Pope if he joined a different church.

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sorry, i'd rather not learn from the Pope. i'd rather learn from Christ. cuts out the middle man.
 

Drett

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sorry, i'd rather not learn from the Pope. i'd rather learn from Christ. cuts out the middle man.
OK as long as you are seeking advice from others on what the scriptures is telling you.
 
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trust me, that won't be a problem in my house.
 
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keyem77 said:
he is not our example, Christ is.
Wait... so we should follow Pope Francis as our example of how to be Christ-like? Why not leave out the cult leader and just let Christ be our example?
sorry, i'd rather not learn from the Pope. i'd rather learn from Christ. cuts out the middle man.
"I will set shepherds over them [my sheep] who will care for them..
-Jer. 23:4

Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep".
-John 21:15-17

Primacy of Peter - Apostolic Succession - Answers
 
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"I will set shepherds over them [my sheep] who will care for them..
-Jer. 23:4

Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep".
-John 21:15-17

Primacy of Peter - Apostolic Succession - Answers
What a misuse of scripture. :(
 
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I think we can learn a lot of lessons in humilty from the pope. It is just a pity he prays to humans and statues.

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ROFLMHO!!! And this from a follower of an illiterate 7th century lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islams own writings) that teaches his followers to be antichrists and pray to a big black rock!
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Look at the muslims pray to the kaaba stone. Isn't that islamic practice just a thinly repackaged pagan practice?
THE BLACK STONE
The black stone played a prominent role in pagan worship. The pagans offered animal sacrifices there. But the idol of the black stone replaced the alter; on the black stone they smeared the blood of the sacrificed animals.
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ROFLMHO!!! And this from a follower of an illiterate 7th century lying, thieving, murdering, child doing (per islams own writings) that teaches his followers to be antichrists and pray to a big black rock!
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Look at the muslims pray to the kaaba stone. Isn't that islamic practice just a thinly repackaged pagan practice?
THE BLACK STONE
The black stone played a prominent role in pagan worship. The pagans offered animal sacrifices there. But the idol of the black stone replaced the alter; on the black stone they smeared the blood of the sacrificed animals.
Read more about the pagan stone islam worship's HERE
There is certainly an irony to it.
 
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"I will set shepherds over them [my sheep] who will care for them..
-Jer. 23:4

Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”
He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.”
He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” [Jesus] said to him, “Feed my sheep".
-John 21:15-17

Primacy of Peter - Apostolic Succession - Answers


^ What a misuse of scripture. :(
How so, jimmy?
 
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Why Protestant Pastors Should Follow Pope Francis' Lead


I'm Protestant, but I'm fan of Pope Francis.
A big fan.
No one is without their flaws, but when it comes to the Christian faith and in particular being Christ-like he just seems to get it, probably more than any other major Christian leader I know.
He's an evangelical pope alright, but the trouble with evangelists - and I speak from some experience - is that too often they are very short on doctrine and tend to leave you in the lurch once they've been and gone. Like Billy Graham. He and the Pope have said some pretty bizarre things that one could not expect of a true Christian. Ultimately its not enough to kiss lepers. You've got to turn people from their sins. I'm not actually sure whether he's doing that. He seems very liberal in outlook. Every person has his own gifts. We all have different gifts. The whole concept of a Pope is ridiculous. The church is comprised of many people who should all be exercising their gifts. Not just a few in authority.
 
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Every person has his own gifts. We all have different gifts. The whole concept of a Pope is ridiculous. The church is comprised of many people who should all be exercising their gifts. Not just a few in authority.
So true. I totally agree.
 
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just wondering what going around kissing people's feet, proves?
 

maxwel

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just wondering what going around kissing people's feet, proves?
If you're the political leader of a SOVEREIGN STATE,
and the religious leader of a BILLION PEOPLE...

it's a photo op.
 
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