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Bravewolfd
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I think that evolution exists to a certain extent. I don't believe that a fish turned into a frog, then lizard and etc. I do believe however that for example, the wooly mammoth lost it's hair after the ice age. I really doubt god would have forced the elephant to wear its fur in Africa,he let it adapt to survive. But humans did not "evolve" from monkeys. There is so many flaws in that theory.
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jim99
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I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I don't care to read through all the responses on a 16 page thread. At the core of Macro-evolution is the idea that the precursors to homo-sapiens died off before our era. If we are to believe the Apostle Paul when he states that "sin came into the world through one man [Adam], and death through sin", then we cannot believe death to have existed prior to the fall. One must either compromise the authority of the word of God, or do hermeneutical gymnastics with the Biblical texts in order to believe in Darwinian Evolution.
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gmx0
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Genetic research, similarities between species, the fossil record, DNA, etc
Wow, that's the same evidence for creation, too! o.0
What evolutionists don't realize is that we use the same evidence, but both have different interpretations and assumptions.
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TheBoswalox
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I am probably going to get a lot of stick for this, but I have read Origin of Species from cover to cover, and I would like to share Darwin's comment in the introduction:
"There can be no doubt that a race may be modified by occasional crosses, if aided by the careful selection of those individual mongrels, which present any desired character; but that a race could be obtained nearly intermediate between two extremely different races or species, I can hardly believe.
I think this quote from Origin of Species can give an interesting perspective - one which started me onto a path which now, whenever I see something new in Science, makes me marvel at the amazing complexity of God's creation:
That God has given creation the ability to adapt to situations, both in the physical sense, but also in emotional and spiritual - we are no longer in the garden of Eden here, and the world isn't perfect and is corrupt. But also that God made it so that it cannot devise entire new species, but to continue creating a stable life despite what Sin has caused the world to become; a key example of this is the shape of a duck's penis.
However, it is Sir Francis Bacon's quote in the preface which really means the most to me:
"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain that a man can search too far or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's work; divinity or philosophy, but rather let men endeavour an endless progress of proficiency in both."
And I indeed think we should - God has given us the knowledge and ability to do so. What we use that research for, however, is an entirely different ball game.
"There can be no doubt that a race may be modified by occasional crosses, if aided by the careful selection of those individual mongrels, which present any desired character; but that a race could be obtained nearly intermediate between two extremely different races or species, I can hardly believe.
I think this quote from Origin of Species can give an interesting perspective - one which started me onto a path which now, whenever I see something new in Science, makes me marvel at the amazing complexity of God's creation:
That God has given creation the ability to adapt to situations, both in the physical sense, but also in emotional and spiritual - we are no longer in the garden of Eden here, and the world isn't perfect and is corrupt. But also that God made it so that it cannot devise entire new species, but to continue creating a stable life despite what Sin has caused the world to become; a key example of this is the shape of a duck's penis.
However, it is Sir Francis Bacon's quote in the preface which really means the most to me:
"To conclude, therefore, let no man out of a weak conceit of sobriety, or an ill-applied moderation, think or maintain that a man can search too far or be too well studied in the book of God's word, or in the book of God's work; divinity or philosophy, but rather let men endeavour an endless progress of proficiency in both."
And I indeed think we should - God has given us the knowledge and ability to do so. What we use that research for, however, is an entirely different ball game.
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Hidframe
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There's an amazing YouTube channel that discusses the topic of creation vs evolution, down to the tiniest detail. Channel link: wazooloo - YouTube
There's a series of videos named "Crevo Rants" (Creation / Evolution Rants) made by an awesome guy named Ian Juby. I strongly recommend checking them out, regardless what side you stand for. Playlist link: So ya think yer a chimp? CrEvo Rant #181 with Wazooloo / Ian Juby - YouTube
There's a series of videos named "Crevo Rants" (Creation / Evolution Rants) made by an awesome guy named Ian Juby. I strongly recommend checking them out, regardless what side you stand for. Playlist link: So ya think yer a chimp? CrEvo Rant #181 with Wazooloo / Ian Juby - YouTube
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JakeTheHawk
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I believe in creationism through evolution. Evolution is a fact and can not be disputed, but we have to believe God had a hand in shaping the way things go. I believe God used evolution to mold us and the world into what we/it is.
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Hidframe
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Sorry but i have to disagree with you there. Evolution is not fact at all. It's nothing more then a theory that has been disputed over and over again by countless scientists all over the world.
In the video series i linked in my previous post, almost all aspects of evolution are disputed. I strongly recommend checking them out.
Link: So ya think yer a chimp? CrEvo Rant #181 with Wazooloo / Ian Juby - YouTube
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2Thewaters
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Evolution is a scientific theory which is supported by facts and has not been falsified as of yet so there is no good reason to question the validity of the theory. You may have another theory to explain diversity of biological life but you must provide evidence to back it up.
Sorry but your link is no help, it just refutes an idea then jumps to its own conclusions without any good reason.
Chimpanzee genome project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"any other God", so you are a polytheist?
Believing that God spoke things into existence doesn't help us understand HOW things work, which is important for living in this reality.
I don`t believe that man evolved from animal, i believe God created Adam with His bare hands, but, I don`t think that the theory of evolution is wrong either (applyed to animals only, not to humans - man is the crowning of God`s creation).
I haven`t watched any of the debates on youtube that the americans have regarding these two theories, because I think that science and religion don`t dismiss one another, they just use different discourses: one is based on facts, observation, demonstration and experiments whereas religion use revelation (truth by excellence); I don`t agree with using the Bible as a scientifical manual, but at the same time, the reason why I believe evolution may not be wrong is because of something that says in Genesis 1, 1-2: "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Nowhere in genesis says when did God created the waters...I believe that the waters in Genesis bare much more significant than we could comprehend with our logic. I believe water (which is germinal, has in itself all virtualities of life and generates life) is a dimension of God (He even says about Himself that He is the "living water"), a revelation of God.
I haven`t watched any of the debates on youtube that the americans have regarding these two theories, because I think that science and religion don`t dismiss one another, they just use different discourses: one is based on facts, observation, demonstration and experiments whereas religion use revelation (truth by excellence); I don`t agree with using the Bible as a scientifical manual, but at the same time, the reason why I believe evolution may not be wrong is because of something that says in Genesis 1, 1-2: "1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Nowhere in genesis says when did God created the waters...I believe that the waters in Genesis bare much more significant than we could comprehend with our logic. I believe water (which is germinal, has in itself all virtualities of life and generates life) is a dimension of God (He even says about Himself that He is the "living water"), a revelation of God.
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tucksma
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Its based mostly on observations of fossils. The major issue with that is that they assume association without a real reason. Like just cuz two things are similar doesn't mean they are connected.
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tucksma
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I agree species seem to be similar, but that doesn't mean they came from the same ancestor.
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MarkMulder
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