Recovering from the Matt. 28:19 Baptism formula. Pro-Christ Gentile save thyself.

[cfultz3]

>> It would seem << that after we hear the "Gospel of our Salvation" and believe it,
then we are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

The above in BOLD is the difference.

I do not operate on "what it seems like"
Jesus teaches his own.
You are responsible for the people whom you baptized and told them that Jesus instructed such.
I was a victim also. I am free from such guilt.

Jesus is the Judge and Light.
Believe whatever he told you to believe and obey.
Also an Apostle is an Apostle.
I was also told that we are like Peter.
I did not teach past generations.
I spoke about Saul the DISOBEDIENT king who thought that
disobeying the LORD and sacrificing to the LORD was ok.
Just fast forward to standing before Jesus and having to convince him
that he told you to baptise in the triune formula.

Be happy. You did what Jesus told you.

Okay then. Take out "it would seem" and replace it with "It is after we hear the Gospel and believe that we are then baptist with the Holy Spirit".

If He told me to believe that believing is what saves and he told you that calling on Him from under the water is what saves, then there is a contradiction. Just how many ways are there to receive salvation?

I presented to you Scripture, you presented a non-authorized and hyber-Scriptural manner. I will continue asking you, since Scripture does not tell us when to call upon the Lord, while under or out of the water, how then can you come and say your formula is the "ordained access" when we are told that faith in Christ is what God ordained to be the method by which one can access Him?

The Davidicans believed their leader was Jesus because of the things he said God told him from outside of Scripture. Jim Jones was able to lead many to their death because of that same deception.

You are presenting what is not Scriptural. God told us that it is faith. You say that God says that it is water baptism.

 

[cfultz3]

It would not gotten to this point if you would have given Scripture which was requested at first.

 

[wordsponge]

It would not gotten to this point if you would have given Scripture which was requested at first.

Be relaxed brother.
I know whom I serve and whom I don't serve.

We >> the Apostles >> Christ >> GOD.

The Apoetles are 12 who >> will not be replaced.

You have a Scripture that says to 'call on Jesus.'
Have you done that?

READ CAREFULLY:

Luke.13
[24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you
will seek to enter in and shall not be able.

The smitten GATE of Isaiah is baptism >>>

I cannot do it for you BUT as a brother and a fellow human I URGE you to do it.

The Disobedient teach disobedience.
The disrespectful teach disrespect.

Jews KNOW why they hate Christ.

Gentiles....Lost in the bushes.

Keep well. I am your friend.

When I tell tou that Jesus was the God from GOD to the Jews (Israel)
do you think that I got that from myself or men?

Leave >> men << alone and go to the LORD...All will be well.
Then after illumination etc.. you may go back and help them.

I don't BUST my tail beccause I have noting to do.

 

[cfultz3]

Be relaxed brother.
I know whom I serve and whom I don't serve.

We >> the Apostles >> Christ >> GOD.

How can I be relaxed when the message you are bringing contradicts what God told us was the "ordained access" to Him: Faith in His Son and not works of the flesh. If calling upon the Lord while under water is, as you would say, "the ordained access", then we would have to nullify the following verses to satisfy that "secret formula" (again, quoting you) you claim has been hidden for millenniums from those seeking Christ to be their Lord, but recently has been revealed, and apparently, you are the messenger to deliver that hidden access to God:


What shall we do that we might work the works of God?

Notice the Lord tells us what to do to receive everlasting life:

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
​

Has He really made faith the way to the eternal Life?

Even His Son agrees:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Even John:

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
​

You have a Scripture that says to 'call on Jesus.'
Have you done that?

Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 tells us that whosoever calls upon the Lord shall be saved...but I do not see where it says, "while under the water". And Romans 10:14 do tell us a little about those from that "whosoever". It says that after they have heard and believed (the work of God for salvation), then they call upon Him. I see faith here as being the mechanism, not the deed of baptism, which causes one to call upon the Lord.

READ CAREFULLY:

Luke.13
[24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you
will seek to enter in and shall not be able.

The smitten GATE of Isaiah is baptism >>>

Perhaps, if the 11 previous verses are read, we could get a better understanding of what the "smitten gate" of Isaiah 24:12 is about. Let us go to verse one. O' there I see that it is speaking about the Lord's Day and the other verses speaking about the wrath which He brings and the protection of Jerusalem being smitten with destruction (truly, He will be their Savior).

Then I go to Luke 13: 24, and there I see Jesus being spoken about as that NARROW gate to enter into the Kingdom of God.

It would be wise to take into consideration the words of the surrounding verses which cumulatively define "gate/door". Otherwise, they who go and seek the Truth themselves would think that you are saying that true baptism is the destruction of the physical Jerusalem and that entry to Heaven is calling upon the Lord while under the water. That would be foolish. Would you not think so also, when we all know that it is faith in the Son which opens that door to God's Kingdom?

The Disobedient teach disobedience.
The disrespectful teach disrespect.

I do not disobey the Lord when it was the Lord who said faith is the required work. Am I to please the Lord by going back to the deeds of my flesh? Does not this contradiction worry you, the one who comes with a revealed hidden secret to God? Did not Jesus reveal that path? Or is faith not enough?

 

[wordsponge]

How can I be relaxed when the message you are bringing contradicts what God told us was the "ordained access" to Him: Faith in His Son and not works of the flesh. If calling upon the Lord while under water is, as you would say, "the ordained access", then we would have to nullify the following verses to satisfy that "secret formula" (again, quoting you) you claim has been hidden for millenniums from those seeking Christ to be their Lord, but recently has been revealed, and apparently, you are the messenger to deliver that hidden access to God:


What shall we do that we might work the works of God?

Notice the Lord tells us what to do to receive everlasting life:

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
​

Has He really made faith the way to the eternal Life?

Even His Son agrees:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Even John:

Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
​

Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 tells us that whosoever calls upon the Lord shall be saved...but I do not see where it says, "while under the water". And Romans 10:14 do tell us a little about those from that "whosoever". It says that after they have heard and believed (the work of God for salvation), then they call upon Him. I see faith here as being the mechanism, not the deed of baptism, which causes one to call upon the Lord.



Perhaps, if the 11 previous verses are read, we could get a better understanding of what the "smitten gate" of Isaiah 24:12 is about. Let us go to verse one. O' there I see that it is speaking about the Lord's Day and the other verses speaking about the wrath which He brings and the protection of Jerusalem being smitten with destruction (truly, He will be their Savior).

Then I go to Luke 13: 24, and there I see Jesus being spoken about as that NARROW gate to enter into the Kingdom of God.

It would be wise to take into consideration the words of the surrounding verses which cumulatively define "gate/door". Otherwise, they who go and seek the Truth themselves would think that you are saying that true baptism is the destruction of the physical Jerusalem and that entry to Heaven is calling upon the Lord while under the water. That would be foolish. Would you not think so also, when we all know that it is faith in the Son which opens that door to God's Kingdom?


I do not disobey the Lord when it was the Lord who said faith is the required work. Am I to please the Lord by going back to the deeds of my flesh? Does not this contradiction worry you, the one who comes with a revealed hidden secret to God? Did not Jesus reveal that path? Or is faith not enough?

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You should move on brother.

We will meet at the Judgment where you will explain to the HEAD himself.

I will point out one thing and that is that the Epistles were written to baptized people.

The stumbling block got you.

You know that Paul said the "there were things that were not legal to tell."

Move on brother.

Take care.

 

[2Thewaters]

A bathtub may be appropriate for an emergency baptism. Arrangements were be made to fulfill an aged man's request for baptism. He was not strong enough to go to a river or to a lake, and the only way in which the ceremony could be performed is by getting a bathtub and letting him into the water.

Whenever possible, let baptism be administered in a clear lake or running stream. And give to the occasion all the importance and solemnity that can be brought into it. At such a service angels of God are always present.

The one who administers the ordinance of baptism should seek to make it an occasion of solemn, sacred influence upon all spectators. Every ordinance of the church should be so conducted as to be uplifting in its influence. Nothing is to be made common or cheap, or placed on a level with common things. Our churches need to be educated to greater respect and reverence for the sacred service of God. As ministers conduct the services connected with God's worship, so they are educating and training the people. Little acts that educate and train and discipline the soul for eternity are of vast consequence in the uplifting and sanctifying of the church.

 

[2Thewaters]

When we add words that are not told to do that is fanatacism.
When we take away words that is fanatacism.
Al yohave to do is Baptise in the name of the Lord YAHSHUA Jesus by his holy spirit and to the father in heaven and you are good. and love him with all your heart.
finished.

 

[OneJack]

Me too

Where is Christ these days, if you can tell?

Christ is just right beside you right now.

 

[OneJack]

I did pray about what you have been saying. The conclusion is all the questions that I have been asking. I cannot harmonize what you are saying with Scripture.

If the teaching he is preaching in this forum is from God, it must be in harmony with what God is telling us mankind today simply because God is real and alive and God is accessible to all those who seek Him in His terms, why harmonize it with the scriptures which is not the Lord God?

 

[wordsponge]

Christ is just right beside you right now.

He is not alone.

I will make a gigantic try to get back tomorrow.
Keep well brother.

 

[OneJack]

He is not alone.

I will make a gigantic try to get back tomorrow.
Keep well brother.

Go bro. get some big sleep, you need a good rest tonight.

 

[wordsponge]

If the teaching he is preaching in this forum is from God, it must be in harmony with what God is telling us mankind today simply because God is real and alive and God is accessible to all those who seek Him in His terms, why harmonize it with the scriptures which is not the Lord God?

My brother,

I cannot be a John the Bapist.
People who are indoctrinated by men and only know to ask men will have a hard time
walking away from those men to go to Christ.

I knew that they were crooks.

The LORD helped me.

 

[wordsponge]

The Spirit keeps me busy BUT joyful.

Keep well

 

[wordsponge]

Thank you.

Keep well.

 

[OneJack]

My brother,
I cannot be a John the Bapist.
People who are indoctrinated by men and only know to ask men will have a hard time
walking away from those men to go to Christ.
I knew that they were crooks.
The LORD helped me.

Simply tell them all the things that Jesus has told you to scatter today, plain and simple, and let those who have ears hear same.

 

[wordsponge]

Simply tell them all the things that Jesus has told you to scatter today, plain and simple, and let those who have ears hear same.

Too hurtful my brother.

Maybe you have the John the Baptist mettle. I don't.
I am a beggar...

 

[OneJack]

Too hurtful my brother.

Maybe you have the John the Baptist mettle. I don't.
I am a beggar...

Thought you gonna go get some sleep, may you meet the Lord in your dreams.

 

[wordsponge]

Thought you gonna go get some sleep, may you meet the Lord in your dreams.

Brother,

He does not leave anymore.

Hidden things are being revealed ..... HUGE

How to deliver to the natural man who is used to liars ....

The Spirit has to KICK in... to move them...

I'll be here a bit...

 

[OneJack]

Brother,

He does not leave anymore.

Hidden things are being revealed ..... HUGE

How to deliver to the natural man who is used to liars ....

The Spirit has to KICK in... to move them...

I'll be here a bit...

Just be reminded that the most important one has been revealed already but this is on a "he who has ears let him hear" basis, no spirit to kick in, coming to the Lord God is through the use of free will. Be always at peace and do not use force by whatever means just to convince anyone.

 

[wordsponge]

Just be reminded that the most important one has been revealed already but this is on a "he who has ears let him hear" basis, no spirit to kick in, coming to the Lord God is through the use of free will. Be always at peace and do not use force by whatever means just to convince anyone.

I cannot...but I care

The Spirit has a role:

1 Pet.1
[2] Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification (separation to faith in Christ) of/ BY the Spirit, unto obedience
and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

ALL must be ONE...