There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

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Philippians 2:5-6 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Let this mind {attitude} be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

Jesus is God the Son and Not the Father He was not praying to Himself hmmm
 
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they aren't literally ONE they became one after the spirit of God came into Jesus, how can God be the son and the father at the same time?
Who sit on the throne in Heaven the Father or the Son ?
 
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Jesus is God the Son and Not the Father He was not praying to Himself hmmm
He was praying to Himself, but He was also praying as a man in the Garden of Gethsemane, sweating 'drops of blood.' His human essence fullness of Him was in deep distress at the thought of the horrible torture and humiliation and time that was to soon become His human life.

Remember, fully God and fully man means that Jesus was both able to experience human pain and also be fully God of the universe, too, remember, Jesus was doing His Father's will. Did He have to? No. Afterall, Jesus is God, all 'will' is His.

Remember, as a man, Jesus TAKES no authority that is given Him, it doesn't mean He doesn't HAVE authority. He does. But, as a man, Jesus submitted to His Father (God) in heaven.

Jesus was showing us where our authority comes from when we are on Earth? From where? From who? From God :)

Who sit on the throne in Heaven the Father or the Son ?
Both sit on THRONES, both are One, Hisdaniel :)
 
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He was praying to Himself, but He was also praying as a man in the Garden of Gethsemane, sweating 'drops of blood.' His human essence fullness of Him was in deep distress at the thought of the horrible torture and humiliation and time that was to soon become His human life.

Remember, fully God and fully man means that Jesus was both able to experience human pain and also be fully God of the universe, too, remember, Jesus was doing His Father's will. Did He have to? No. Afterall, Jesus is God, all 'will' is His.

Remember, as a man, Jesus TAKES no authority that is given Him, it doesn't mean He doesn't HAVE authority. He does. But, as a man, Jesus submitted to His Father (God) in heaven.

Jesus was showing us where our authority comes from when we are on Earth? From where? From who? From God :)


Both sit on THRONES, both are One, Hisdaniel :)
Are you for real Jesus was praying to Himself please prove that . ?

Who baptise Jesus with the Holy Spirit ?
 
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lets see who sits on the throne
[h=3]Revelation 5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.


 
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Revelation 21

King James Version (KJV)

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
 
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[h=3]Acts 7:55[/h]King James Version (KJV)

55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,


hmmm looks llike Jesus sits and stand at times and i wonder why

 

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'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." Rev. 3:21
 
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Do your research and get back with me. The ball is in your lap. Prove to me that the NWT Bible is inaccurate by any standard. Sadly, theological and secular references are unreliable. Use any Bible version or translation you have and contrast it with the New World Translation and then show me the "flagrant" and "blatant" inaccuracies that you and many claim is riddled in this beautiful Bible, the NWT.
1) The NWT scholars remain anonymous. This means they will not discuss the NWT with other Scholars nor do we know the credentials of the translators.

2) The NWT removes the terms theos(God) and kurios(Lord) and insert the hebrew term Jehovah. This and many other examples not listed here proves the NWT is not a translation but is a sectarian paraphrase.

3) The translators of the NWT are never refered to be educated or scholars of greek or Hebrew. Instead they are said by to of been experienced and anointed Christians.

4) No one uses the NWT except the Jehovah's witness. If it is an amazing translation, why don't other Christian organizations use it? On the other hand, JW's ONLY use the NWT!

5) If the NWT is a good translation, why has it undergone numerous revisions?

Examples that prove the NWT is a sectarian paraphrase/mistranslation.

Gen 1:2 "Spirit of God " was changed into "God's active force"
(The term God's Active force does not appear in the Hebrew, but it is JW theology.)

Ex. 3:14 "I AM" was changed into "I shall prove to be"
(The term I shall prove to be does not appear in the hebrew, but was changed to disprove Jesus claims to I AM)

Numbers 1:52 "Under his own standard" was changed to "by His [three tribe] division"
(The hebrew word degal means flag or banner, but the JW's teach that flags are idolatry, so the had to edit this)

Isa. 43:10 "Nor will there be one after me" was changed to "After me there continued to be none"
(The future tense shows God will not share His divinity with anyone in the future but the JW's changed the tense to conform with Jesus being a mighty god not God.)

Ecl. 12:7 "The spirit returns" was changed to "the spirit itself returns"
(The insertion of the word "itself" was done to underscore the JW teaching of what happens to a soul upon death. The word itself does not exist in Hebrew.)

Matt. 2:11 "Bowed down and worshiped Him" was changed to "did obeisance to it"
(The JW;s obscure any mention of the diety of Jesus. The term obeisance is unique to the NWT. This same revision can also be found in: Matt 8:2, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 28:9,17; Mark 5:6, 15:19; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; Heb. 1:6.)

Matt. 25:46 "Eternal punishment" changed to "Everlasting cutting off"
(Nothing in the Greek supports this change. The Greek term "kolasis" indicates continuous punishment, not cutting off. The JW's do not believe in hell being a place of torment, so this change is simply to conform to JW theology.)

John 1:1 "Word was God" changed to "Word was a god"
(No reputable Greek scholar or even a fist year Greek student would agree with the insert of "a". It was clearly changed to conform to JW theology.)

NOTE: This is only a handful of cases where the NWT has mistranslated to conform to JW theology. There are many more!


Here are several websites that are critical of the New World Translation (Paraphrase):

New World Translation and Its Critics
Scholars on Jn.1:1
The New World Translation: A corrupt sectarian paraphrase. 1666 pages....Mark of the beast?
For an Answer: Christian Apologetics - Scholars & NWT
bible - What specific scholarship is there behind the New World Translation? - Christianity Stack Exchange
 

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Not to mention Heb. 1:8 in the NWT which reads "God is your throne" rather than "Thy throne O God."
 
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JW's believe the Watchtower propaganda that the NWT is the world's most awesome translation and they are the only ones who think that!
 
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Sadly, theological and secular references are unreliable.
This is an interesting quote. Members from many Christian cults are told to only trust what the cult says and never question it. They are also told to distrust everything that is not from the cult. Mormons are told to never read "anti-mormon literature, as it is all lies. Here Swingalong states what she has been fed, that all other sources not from the Watchtower are sadly unreliable.
 
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Acts 20:28
...to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood.

NWT error:
...to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.
The NWT removes deity from Jesus. Only God can purchase His church.

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Romans 8:1
There is, therefore, now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

NWT error:
Therefore, those in union with Christ Jesus have no condemnation.

The NWT removes the Greek word for "now" because JW don't believe in neither Heaven nor Hell; therefore, JW teach that nobody is neither free nor ready to claim "no condemnation now" in this life. JW believe they need to, literally, work under the Watchtower mindset in order for God to have favor upon them during the New Earth they call "Paradise." Only 144,000 JW are chosen to reside with God in Heaven.

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1 Peter 1:11
...the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating...

NWT error:
...the spirit within them was indicating concerning Christ...
JW are not allowed to believe that the Spirit of Jesus Christ can & does abide within a believer. JW are not allowed to believe in the existence of the Holy Spirit of God altogether; therefore, they cannot believe the Spirit of Jesus can exists among the saints either.






 
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Dear Saints of the Living God:

May we all be continually seeking the face of God within the righteousness we have in our Lord Savior God Jesus Christ. May the Holy Spirit of the Living God Almighty continue to dwell within you as with me that God may enable us to stand firm in our blessed hope and precious faith in Jesus Christ.

For those of you Saints who have memorized 1 John 4, Enjoy!

Blue: NWT errors in 1 John 4:1-6
Red: Faithful rendition of 1 John 4:1-6

1 Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see where they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone into the world.
1. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,

3 But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist's inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

4 You originate with God, little children, and you have conquered them, because the one who is in union with you is greater than the one who is in union with the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

5 They originate with the world; that is why they speak what originates with the world and the world listens to them.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them.

6 We originate with God. Whoever comes to know God listen to us; whoever does not originate with God does not listen to us. By this we distinguish the inspired statement of truth from the inspired statement of error.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

In Christ
forever,
BPie

 
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Do your research and get back with me. The ball is in your lap. Prove to me that the NWT Bible is inaccurate by any standard. Sadly, theological and secular references are unreliable. Use any Bible version or translation you have and contrast it with the New World Translation and then show me the "flagrant" and "blatant" inaccuracies that you and many claim is riddled in this beautiful Bible, the NWT.

The NWT confirms the Trinity same as any other English translation.
 
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Since we are discussing the trinity, let us begin with something simple. Please explain to me out of you vast knowledge of the Greek language how the Society can defend the insertion of the indefinite article in Jn. 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was a god." NWT.
She can't.....as she is unaware that Biblical Greek does not contain an indefinite article.

All she can do is slavishly follow the spoon-fed lies of her cult....no questions asked.

So sad.
 

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She can't.....as she is unaware that Biblical Greek does not contain an indefinite article.

All she can do is slavishly follow the spoon-fed lies of her cult....no questions asked.

So sad.
Who on earth told you the Greek does not contain indefinite articles?