There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

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Usually people in connection with a religious subject, in this instance the NWT Bible, use the words "flagrant" and "blatant" or other similar words because of being ignorant to the true facts. And so since "the shoe fits" their 'MO', they feel obligated to spew out their disdain for whatever is being discussed, in this instance, the NWT Bible. What's interesting, is that many who are uninformed 'christians' cannot even authentically site or reference scripturally their imagined allegations concerning this beautiful Bible, the NWT, or by citing scriptures to back up what they say and so they attack with dogmatic words as if they want to appear authoritive, as if they know what they are talking about. Usually these ones go by what they've heard others say and they never take the time to do research to see for themselves if what they believe or heard is true. People do not like going against the grain, going against popular opinion. Nor do many like "facing the storm" and so because of their "fear of men" and what others will say or think, they go along with or fall in line with the crowd rather than face the truth. The old saying: "If the shoe fits, wear it" is applicable.
Perhaps you would like to put me to test on the matter.
 
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Do your research and get back with me. The ball is in your lap. Prove to me that the NWT Bible is inaccurate by any standard. Sadly, theological and secular references are unreliable. Use any Bible version or translation you have and contrast it with the New World Translation and then show me the "flagrant" and "blatant" inaccuracies that you and many claim is riddled in this beautiful Bible, the NWT.
Perhaps you would like to put me to test on the matter.
 

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I honestly don't think you're spiritually up to the "test" :)
Since we are discussing the trinity, let us begin with something simple. Please explain to me out of you vast knowledge of the Greek language how the Society can defend the insertion of the indefinite article in Jn. 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was a god." NWT.
 
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The Trinity doctrine is an illogical, non-Bible based teaching. Many are confused by this falsehood...and as a result do not feel close to God; or feel real love or real connection to/ for God because this erroneous teaching.John 7:29, is one of many verses in the Bible that disproves the Trinity doctrine.
Is the trinity, 1. the invisible God; 2. the physical manifestation, Jesus Christ, and 3. the Holy Spirit that wrote through the Prophets and Apostles?
 
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Yet there are verses that prove otherwise. We all need to pray for revelation.

" - - Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?" So they said, "Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter answered and said "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God." Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven." Matt. 16:13-17.

Jesus reaffirms (John 1:1) the trinity in Matthew 28:19. The Trinity cannot be understood in the mind. We understand it in our spirit.
What Spirit would that be you are referring to, seeing the very words that Jesus brought us from the Father(Jn.1.1, 17.6) are the promsied "Spirit of life"(Ps.104.30, Jn.6.63, 2 Cor.5.19), which is why James 1.21 says to "--receive with meekness the ENGRAFTED word that is able to save our souls"... Of course his physical body was from a human, in that respect he was a son, but the eternal Spirit was God(Dan.7.13wt Jn.1.32; Judges 5.7 wt Luke 1.27-35). Isa.40.18 & 25, 43.10-13&25, 44.8&24, 45.5-13-18&21, and 46.9 make it very clear, that if the Jesus anyone is serving is not the physical manifestation of the one true God, he is ANOTHER Jesus (2 Cor.11.4-13-15).
 
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Since we are discussing the trinity, let us begin with something simple. Please explain to me out of you vast knowledge of the Greek language how the Society can defend the insertion of the indefinite article in Jn. 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was a god." NWT.
Not to mention God in that sentence is not treated as a name but a common noun!
 
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I like to see and read that. Hope you get together on this. I might even join in if it is edifying to all others that read it. let'er rip.
I really do not expect her to respond. If she does, it will probably only be some cut and paste from some JW's website.
 
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I really do not expect her to respond. If she does, it will probably only be some cut and paste from some JW's website.
That's what I noticed about her. When it gets down to the nitty-gritty she disappears. We need to pray for them all.:)
 

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That's what I noticed about her. When it gets down to the nitty-gritty she disappears. We need to pray for them all.:)
I have always found it interesting that those JW's who are the strongest defenders of the NWT know little or nothing about the Greek. They have no frame of reference by which to judge their own translation. They simply swallow anything the society gives them. I have also noticed that on the occasion you run across one who has been through one of their training schools and has had at least some training in Greek will refuse to discuss it with you.
 
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I have always found it interesting that those JW's who are the strongest defenders of the NWT know little or nothing about the Greek. They have no frame of reference by which to judge their own translation. They simply swallow anything the society gives them. I have also noticed that on the occasion you run across one who has been through one of their training schools and has had at least some training in Greek will refuse to discuss it with you.
The light is too bright for them.
 

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The light is too bright for them.
It isn't that. It is simply the fact that they know their translation is misrepresenting the Greek and those who know the language know they cannot defend their translation. So, they simply refuse to engage.
 
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...It is simply the fact that they know their translation is misrepresenting the Greek and those who know the language know they cannot defend their translation. So, they simply refuse to engage.
OldHermit, dear brother, have you ever been invited to a Kingdom Hall meeting? Would you believe the overwhelming mind control that goes on in each of their "congregation meetings"?

These people never get a chance to read The Bible, let alone draw learning from the Hebrew or the Greek.

It's been several years since I was invited to one of their meetings. I had nightmares for about 2 weeks afterwards due to the tremendous error they learn and the horrendous mind control that goes on there.

They entire congregation is feisty, utterly arrogant, somewhat repugnant with each other in their responses, and almost show-off "See? I know more than you, so that makes me better than you!" The entire congregation has that attitude; mind you, this is part of how they are worshiping God...
:rolleyes:

In a nutshell, those people meet to discuss their Watchtower curriculum via a magazine called "The Watch" and another magazine called "Awake!" They carry several other books, which they bring to the meetings to study, and they read the NWT as a side note.

What they are really following are the outlines in the magazines, or whichever Watchtower booklet they are reading at the time. There are several books they are to purchase to read as their doctrine. (I used to own about 24 of their books a co-worker gave me as a sample of what is doctrinal error. I got rid of that collection some years ago.)

In other words, they are NOT studying the Bible directly as you and I would study, while seeking the mind of Christ; frankly, they are studying Watchtower dogma. They hardly sing praises to God when they meet (They sung 1 song about "Jehovah" I've never heard in all my born days), and the one prayer that was spoken was like a dry martini without James Bond. :D I'm tellin' ya', totally foreign material down Balaam Lane.
:rolleyes:

During the prayer, I shivered, and started to eyeball where the exits were. Brother, I'm telling ya': it was major creepy to hear what comes out of their mouths as prayer! And then to witness what exactly they do in training others is blasting detrimental because they remain captive in a reprobate mind. "Blind leading the blind."

I was so very sadden by their lack of reason, lack of love for the Lord Jesus, and a cultic approach, fanatical fixation on the name "Jehovah." ...just saying. :)
 
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BTW, those Watchtower booklets have a Q&A section on the back of the book.

They actually study those questions & answer, one-by-one, and they practice among themselves in posing the question as they would when they go knocking doors.

They practice tackling a legitimate Christian response, and in how to defend their dogma from popular Bible verses like those of the Trinity, for example.

They also practice how to confuse a Christian response by detouring the conversation back to their agenda. In other words, "don't confuse me with the Bible; I have a Watchtower program to tell you to believe."
:rolleyes:
 
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OldHermit, dear brother, have you ever been invited to a Kingdom Hall meeting? Would you believe the overwhelming mind control that goes on in each of their "congregation meetings"?

Yes, I have been to their Kingdom Halls before.

These people never get a chance to read The Bible, let alone draw learning from the Hebrew or the Greek. It's been several years since I was invited to one of their meetings. I had nightmares for about 2 weeks afterwards due to the tremendous error they learn and the horrendous mind control that goes on there.
Individuality and individual thinking is very much discouraged among their members. They are strongly advised not to think for themselves and are taught to rely on the "Society" as the ones who alone have the "keys" to interpreting scripture.

Their entire congregation is feisty, utterly arrogant, somewhat repugnant with each other in their responses, and almost show-off "See? I know more than you, so that makes me better than you!" The entire congregation has that attitude; mind you, this is part of how they are worshiping God...
:rolleyes:
In a nutshell, those people meet to discuss their Watchtower curriculum via a magazine called "The Watch" and another magazine called "Awake!" They carry several other books, which they bring to the meetings to study, and they read the NWT as a side note.
What they are really following are the outlines in the magazines, or whichever Watchtower booklet they are reading at the time. There are several books they are to purchase to read as their doctrine. (I used to own about 24 of their books a co-worker gave me as a sample of what is doctrinal error. I got rid of that collection some years ago.)
In other words, they are NOT studying the Bible directly as you and I would study, while seeking the mind of Christ; frankly, they are studying Watchtower dogma. They hardly sing praises to God when they meet (They sung 1 song about "Jehovah" I've never heard in all my born days), and the one prayer that was spoken was like a dry martini without James Bond. :D I'm tellin' ya', totally foreign material down Balaam Lane. :rolleyes:

Yes, Whenever I have been this is always their study material from which they never seem to deviate. In other words, the society provides the material they are instructed to use telling them what to study and how to think. They never seem to read their bibles beyond what passage references are given in each study.


During the prayer, I shivered, and started to eyeball where the exits were. Brother, I'm telling ya': it was major creepy to hear what comes out of their mouths as prayer! And then to witness what exactly they do in training others is blasting detrimental because they remain captive in a reprobate mind. "Blind leading the blind."
I was so very sadden by their lack of reason, lack of love for the Lord Jesus, and a cultic approach, fanatical fixation on the name "Jehovah." ...just saying. :)
The reason it is almost impossible to talk to one of them is because they are convinced that only the Watchtower Society has "key" to interpreting scripture. This is why no matter how logically, how thoroughly, or how soundly you present an exegesis to them, since you do not have the "key" to interpretation, they simply will not listen.
 
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Individuality and individual thinking is very much discouraged among their members. They are strongly advised not to think for themselves and are taught to rely on the "Society" as the ones who alone have the "keys" to interpreting scripture.
Correct. Their ill-reality extends beyond a distorted NWT and the renewing of a reprobate mind.

Sadly enough, JW are forbidden to associate with any Christian family members, neither are they to associate with any non-Jehovah Witness anywhere, i.e. work place, school, neighborhood, military... ...and Lord forbid if a JW questions the "Society" dogma. Their members are afraid of being excommunicated.

The Lord Jesus said, "The Spirit of God is upon Me because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent Me to... preach deliverance to the captives..." (Luke 4).

Yes, a Jehovah Witness needs the deliverance we have in our holy Lord Jesus, but everybody associated with the Watchtower is forbidden to believe that the Holy Spirit of God is upon Jesus, whom God has anointed... "Now the Lord is the Spirit: and were the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty" (2 Corinthians 3:17).

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The reason it is almost impossible to talk to one of them is because they are convinced that only the Watchtower Society has "key" to interpreting scripture. Exactly. A scripture they created in the early 60's to accommodate their Arian dogma.

This is why no matter how logically, how thoroughly, or how soundly you present an exegesis to them, since you do not have the "key" to interpretation, they simply will not listen.
...and that, my dear brother, is a classic mind-control by definition of "cult." It sadden me, frankly, because I know they mean well, but they are clueless in seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit of God, Who leads us to God. :)