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Does working on Saturdays affect a believer's destiny?

  • A believer in Christ who works on Saturdays will lose his/her salvation.

    Votes: 1 4.2%

  • A believer in Christ who works on Saturdays will NOT lose his/her salvation, but will lose rewards f

    Votes: 2 8.3%

  • Working on Saturdays does not affect a believer's salvation.

    Votes: 20 83.3%

  • My belief differs from the above three options, which I will explain in a post.

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • Total voters
    24
  • Poll closed .
HeRoseFromTheDead

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PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU VOTE.

I realize that I cannot enforce this request, but please do the honorable thing and consider your vote your ticket to comment. This is a public poll, so your belief will be visible to all.

Not trying to step on Matt's toes, but after witnessing some of the responses on his poll, this one is an attempted refinement based on those comments.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

HeRoseFromTheDead

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Is anyone seeing who voted for what? I'm not.
 
crossnote

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Can I vote on the Sabbath? Oops, too late
 
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Tintin

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Let's just say the six of us voted for the correct option and leave it at that. :)
 
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SarahM777

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I wonder how those who say the Sabbath affects one salvation when dealing with slaves who worked for non-believers? If I remember Paul told them to obey their masters but not one word about the Sabbath so... :confused:
 
Yahshua

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT ON THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU VOTE.

I realize that I cannot enforce this request, but please do the honorable thing and consider your vote your ticket to comment. This is a public poll, so your belief will be visible to all.

Not trying to step on Matt's toes, but after witnessing some of the responses on his poll, this one is an attempted refinement based on those comments.
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lol I promise I'm not ducking this poll, but I picked the last option because I need to qualify the word "work". I believe performing any work (that's for personal gain) is not "remembering" the Sabbath, and any believer who does work for personal gain on the Sabbath is not honoring the Sabbath and would affect their reward (but not affect their gift of salvation).

However, Priests were blameless for working on the Sabbath because it was specifically *their* time when *their* work began.

As agents of God, ministering to the people on his behalf (like killing animals for temple worship and such before Christ) they were *required* to work on that day...especially on High Sabbaths (God's holidays). The Sabbath rule was opposite for them and still completely upheld.

This is why Christ worked on that day during his ministry saying "my father works and so I work". The Sabbath wasn't ignored or that law superseded. Rather he was a priest; and High Priest who was expected to do God's work specifically on that day (this is why most of his miracles were performed on the Sabbath).

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Now as believers in Christ we are ALSO now "priests" of the same priesthood; Melchizedek. This is what I believe it means for the Sabbath to be fulfilled in Christ. The Sabbath isn't nullified, but rather we - as priests - are expected to do the work of God; to do "good" on the Sabbath. After Christ, we are free to do good (i.e. do God's work) on the Sabbath in whatever form that takes, even if it causes us to physically labor. We can also rest, recharge and not do any work. In doing either of these things we specifically "remember" the Sabbath as a God's holy day.

But to treat that day as any other day of the work week is not remembrance.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead

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Yahshua said:
Now as believers in Christ we are ALSO now "priests" of the same priesthood; Melchizedek. This is what I believe it means for the Sabbath to be fulfilled in Christ. The Sabbath isn't nullified, but rather we - as priests - are expected to do the work of God; to do "good" on the Sabbath. After Christ, we are free to do good (i.e. do God's work) on the Sabbath in whatever form that takes, even if it causes us to physically labor. We can also rest, recharge and not do any work. In doing either of these things we specifically "remember" the Sabbath as a God's holy day.

But to treat that day as any other day of the work week is not remembrance.
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Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the sabbath law was designed for, no matter what we do on Saturdays?


Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exodus 31:13

And remember that thou wast a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Deuteronomy 5:15​
 
Yahshua

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the sabbath law was designed for, no matter what we do on Saturdays?


Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Exodus 20:8

Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Exodus 31:13

And remember that thou wast a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Deuteronomy 5:15​
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Hmm. I sat and thought about your question this whole time, Herose...because in a respect, I have to say the answer is yes.

Here's why...If we consider for a moment the new Christian convert who knows nothing of the things of God but who has confessed that Christ is their lord; as Christ begins his work of sanctification in their heart, that believer has entered into their "rest" in faith...the purpose of the Sabbath is fulfilled in faith. God is he who - in faith - "calls those things that are not as though they are (Romans 4:17)". In other word, the thing that is intended is not yet the thing that is realized, but God reckons it as true now.

So I say "yes"; in faith that's true...it's like when Israel was freed from the bondage of Egypt.

But then of course the journey had to begin (they can't stay there), as the believer must eventually walking away from the house of bondage towards the thing meant to be realized, leaving the things of Egypt (i.e. the only things they've ever known their entire lives), behind. Or for similar imagery, take the Day of Atonement; Christ fulfilled the 1st goat by covering the heavenly temple with his blood so that God only sees him and not us (i.e. all the law fulfilled in faith in him)...but then the work of the 2nd goat must also be executed which is to eventually lead those sins away, step by step until they're *actually* gone (per the ritual).

So truly - in faith/remembrance in Christ - we're reckoned as fulfilling the Sabbath no matter what we do on Saturdays...but then we must eventually conform to the *actual* fulfillment so that one day what was once in faith is then fully realized. I'm reminded of Zechariah 14 (I think it is) where all the nations will be required to honor the Sabbath of Tabernacles during Christ's reign.

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Whether or not you agree, have I made sense?
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead

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Yahshua said:
Whether or not you agree, have I made sense?
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I think I agree with everything you said. You have a lucid mind and present your points well.

I'm not so certain, though, that the Zechariah prophecy is to be taken literally. That may refer to the spiritual rest that we now speak of that is independent of any day. It may simply be figurative language to describe that those who will not rest in faith will not be blessed.
 
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We each serve Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

It is evident some of us believe we should keep the Sabbath Holy, which means separate i believe?

The Messiah taught us to Keep the Commandments and taught us the truth regarding Sabbath.

Remember it is lawful to do good.

Remember Sabbath was made for man, not man made for Sabbath.

It is a matter of our inside and how we love and serve.

Grown in Grace :)

The answer to this poll is not ours to decide.
 
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Which day did Abraham, Issac and Jacob keep, was it Sunday or Saturday or maybe Wednesday, which one did they keep?
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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loveme1 said:
We each serve Heavenly Father and Yahshua the Messiah.

It is evident some of us believe we should keep the Sabbath Holy, which means separate i believe?

The Messiah taught us to Keep the Commandments and taught us the truth regarding Sabbath.

Remember it is lawful to do good.

Remember Sabbath was made for man, not man made for Sabbath.

It is a matter of our inside and how we love and serve.

Grown in Grace :)

The answer to this poll is not ours to decide.
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That's like saying it's not ours to decide whether we believe in Christ or not. It is your decision what you believe. Curious as to why you don't clear away any doubts about what you believe by voting in the poll? It's one thing to believe something; it's quite another to believe it and be able to express it in a clear manner.
 
HeRoseFromTheDead

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StandingFirmInChrist said:
Click on the number that represents the number of votes. You should see names then.
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It's astonishing that the many sabbath keepers here who are so obsessed with proclaiming the urgency of sabbath observance haven't seized this opportunity to vote and make their beliefs clearly manifest.
 
JaumeJ

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Has anyone paid any attention to Jesus. He teaches man may do good on Shabbath, this would mean provide for his family. Imaginary mountain on a plain.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the sabbath law was designed for, no matter what we do on Saturdays?
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How about if I rephrase that...

Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the not murdering Commandment was designed for, no matter how many people we kill?

Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the not stealing Commandment was designed for, no matter how many people we robbed?

Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the not lying Commandment was designed for, no matter how many people we lied to?

Would it perhaps be possible that sanctifying Christ in our hearts by remembering that he is the one who delivered us from bondage to our sins and is currently sanctifying us, serve the same purpose that the not bowing down to idols Commandment was designed for, no matter how many idols we have and worship?

If it works for one, it should work for all.
 
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JaumeJ said:
Has anyone paid any attention to Jesus. He teaches man may do good on Shabbath, this would mean provide for his family. Imaginary mountain on a plain.
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Jesus also worked on the sabbath. Imagine that....
 
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