For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Isdaniel]

Good day loveme1, that was my way of saying I don't mix oranges and apples .

The Sabbath was given to them under the law of Moses and that law was done away in Christ. Yet the New Covenant has many of the same principles as the ten commandments. God is the same he doesn't like evil: killing, stealing, lying, fornication and such like! If we be of Christ we walk in the spirit not in the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Lust of the flesh and fruit of the spirit, Galatians 5:14-26

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Matthew 22:30-40 They were still under the law until Jesus died and they had to keep the law as long as it was standing.. The scriptures says that the law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16. I believe if we study the scriptures we can come to and understand.

Was not honouring your parents given also why be ye one sided hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[2Thewaters]

It is easy to keep the Sabbath

It is easy to meet by newlywed spouse at the river at an appointed time

It is hard to ignore the invitation to be with Jesus
It hurts
It is hard to go on a day that you know he will not be there.

 

[RedTent]

Good day loveme1, that was my way of saying I don't mix oranges and apples .

The Sabbath was given to them under the law of Moses and that law was done away in Christ. .

It is not right for you to falsely accuse Christ, your Lord and God, of doing away with what His Father gave us. Especially when Christ made the statement that not a jot of it was to be done away with, and when Christ even added to those commandments.

 

[2Thewaters]

I did go to churh on sunday and it was a big disappointment, The spirit that talks to me didn't go in with me and it was more a social club, like laughing and keeping people intertained and music the kids like instead of reverent respect to the king of kings it was not church.

No power to overcome sin
no message to overcome sins and faith in JEsus
and very little Bible used. I wont go back.

I also went to a large Sabbath keeping church
it was awful too
they had the same rock and roll and joking and ireeverance and these guys stood up in prayer, I couldnt believe it
at least the sunday church kneeled down
I knew this church was not Gods church of respect and adoration.

 

[2Thewaters]

So the best church is home church like Paul did,
Jesus will be with you if you have faith and he will bless as you read from his word.

 

[Isdaniel]

I did go to churh on sunday and it was a big disappointment, The spirit that talks to me didn't go in with me and it was more a social club, like laughing and keeping people intertained and music the kids like instead of reverent respect to the king of kings it was not church.

No power to overcome sin
no message to overcome sins and faith in JEsus
and very little Bible used. I wont go back.

I also went to a large Sabbath keeping church
it was awful too
they had the same rock and roll and joking and ireeverance and these guys stood up in prayer, I couldnt believe it
at least the sunday church kneeled down
I knew this church was not Gods church of respect and adoration.

Not you and this kneel nonesense again pleaseeeeeeeeeee


Blees does not mean kneel


The Lord blesses people not kneeel people

 

[overcomer2]

It is not right for you to falsely accuse Christ, your Lord and God, of doing away with what His Father gave us. Especially when Christ made the statement that not a jot of it was to be done away with, and when Christ even added to those commandments.

Yes, he did add to those commandments. I wonder why they don't realize that Sabbath rest began at creation. This was not given to the Jews. They were not a people as of yet. The Sabbath's beginning began at creation and confirmed again with Moses. Well, so be it.

 

[overcomer2]

So the best church is home church like Paul did,
Jesus will be with you if you have faith and he will bless as you read from his word.

I do home church too. But on Sabbath morning I listen to a live service that is broadcast around the world via, shortwave.

 

[john832]

Good day loveme1, that was my way of saying I don't mix oranges and apples .

The Sabbath was given to them under the law of Moses and that law was done away in Christ. Yet the New Covenant has many of the same principles as the ten commandments. God is the same he doesn't like evil: killing, stealing, lying, fornication and such like! If we be of Christ we walk in the spirit not in the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Lust of the flesh and fruit of the spirit, Galatians 5:14-26

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Matthew 22:30-40 They were still under the law until Jesus died and they had to keep the law as long as it was standing.. The scriptures says that the law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16. I believe if we study the scriptures we can come to and understand.

Explain the New Covenant here Hamster...

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This is a direct quote from Jer 31:31-34

Now notice in Jer 31:33...

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The word for Law here is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

OK, how about explaining why the word Torah doesn't really mean Torah, it means something else.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, he did add to those commandments. I wonder why they don't realize that Sabbath rest began at creation. This was not given to the Jews. They were not a people as of yet. The Sabbath's beginning began at creation and confirmed again with Moses. Well, so be it.

The law commanding Israel to observe the sabbath didn't begin until they were in the Sinai desert, and it ended at the cross.

 

[john832]

In fact of the matter, how about some of you grace and faith only and whatever you do throw out the Law people, explain why Christ's straightforward comments about keeping the Commandments, don't really mean what they say.

 

[john832]

The law commanding Israel to observe the sabbath didn't begin until they were in the Sinai desert, and it ended at the cross.

Care to show me where it ended at the cross?

 

[RedTent]

The law commanding Israel to observe the sabbath didn't begin until they were in the Sinai desert, and it ended at the cross.

The law is much more than what God used scripture to inform us of, the law is a spiritual truth that scripture gives us. That truth was brought into being for us on the first day of creation when God said "let there be light". The light God was speaking of is a spiritual light. You cannot turn this light on and off. Abraham understood and believed God, including His law. Moses took some of it down on stone, as a sort of constitution for the Hebrews to use. Christ added to our understanding of law. It could not start and end as you say any more than God could start and end.

 

[chubbena]

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I'd like to buy a vowel. The letter 'U' please.

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Another very Christian like post. You know what? This is the kind of posts to make me realize who is and who is not.

 

[chubbena]

I do home church too. But on Sabbath morning I listen to a live service that is broadcast around the world via, shortwave.

Me three. But I could never understand why many call Christian gathering service so I stay away from any service. Likewise I don't understand why Christians will go anywhere to worship. I'm slowly but surely uneducating myself from those "Christian" terms.

 

[chubbena]

Yes, he did add to those commandments. I wonder why they don't realize that Sabbath rest began at creation. This was not given to the Jews. They were not a people as of yet. The Sabbath's beginning began at creation and confirmed again with Moses. Well, so be it.

I know why I didn't. I was programmed by the "church" until one day I took the red pill.
Guess who was saying:

Are you afraid that preaching the gospel will not win souls? Are you despondent as to success in God’s way? Is this why you pine for clever oratory? Is this why you must have music, and architecture, and flowers and millinery? After all, is it by might and power, and not by the Spirit of God? It is even so in the opinion of many.”…”I have long worked out before your very eyes the experiment of the unaided attractiveness of the gospel of Jesus. Our service is severely plain. No man ever comes hither to gratify his eye with art, or his ear with music. I have set before you, these many years, nothing but Christ crucified, and the simplicity of the gospel; yet where will you find such a crowd as this gathered together this morning? Where will you find such a multitude as this meeting Sabbath after Sabbath, for five-and-thirty years? I have shown you nothing but the cross, the cross without flowers of oratory, the cross without diamonds of ecclesiastical rank, the cross without the buttress of boastful science. It is abundantly sufficient to attract men first to itself, and afterwards to eternal life!”
…In this house we have proved successfully, these many years, this great truth, that the gospel plainly preached will gain an audience, convert sinners, and build up and sustain a church.
There is no need to go down to Egypt for help. To invite the devil to help Christ is shameful. Please God, we shall see prosperity yet, when the church of God is resolved never to seek it except in God’s own way.

Yes I know he used the word "service".

 

[Rockbysea]

Moses took some of it down on stone, as a sort of constitution for the Hebrews to use. Christ added to our understanding of law. It could not start and end as you say any more than God could start and end.

What you are saying appears a little misleading. What do you mean “sort of a constitution”? It was the constitution. It was the constitution for the entire physical nation of Israel and given to them only after they were taken out from under Egyptian enforced citizenry. For God to give them the command to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath punishable by death for disobedience while the Israelites were under Egyptian enforced citizenry would have been a cruel joke just like it’s a cruel joke today to bring the Sabbath law punishable by death to people around the world seeking Christ who are under the enforced citizenry of their nations.

Christ did not come to “add to our understanding of the law” within the context of this discussion (the Sabbath). If you present your case based upon your belief about 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath-keeping, which was part of the old contract, it would be more appropriate to say, “Christ added to our understanding of the old contract". But that is not what Christ came to do… add to our understanding of the old contract. He came to fulfill the law of God (not by observing all the physical commands and statues within the old contract otherwise He would have built altars and offered animal sacrifices) but by fulfilling the Law of God according to the spirit because the law of God is spirit.

The law of God is spiritual and at various times it is expressed through various contracts. The law of God, as you rightly say, never had a beginning but the law of God expressed through the old contract did have a starting point: It began when it was given to the children of Israel through Moses expressed through the old contract while the children of Israel were in the wilderness free from the jurisdiction of any gentile government… in this case Egypt. The law expressed through the old contract, which included the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath among other Sabbaths, was exclusively for the physical nation of Israel while they were out from under the authority of any gentile governments.

But now since the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ the law of God is expressed through a new contract. And it’s not to serve as a constitution for a physical nation who are in a physical wilderness separate from all the world’s nations under heaven and out from under the authority of any physical gentile government. But it’s to serve as a constitution for a spiritual nation that are in a spiritual wilderness separate from the world and out from under the authority of Satan.

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath command was only for the entire physical nation of Israel and it could only be observed properly as long as they were not under the authority of a gentile government or like the Jews during the time of Christ who were for a while given limited autonomy by the ruling Roman authorities to observe the Sabbath along with other commands within the old contract.

Did Cornelius, “a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment”, keep the Sabbath when the Holy Spirit fell on him and his whole household? Of course not! So why are you Sabbath day Ten Commandment cult followers telling people today they have to keep the Sabbath? Cornelius was on call from the Roman high command under Caesar. He would have never held the rank of captain or been in the Roman military if his allegiance was not to Caesar within that capacity. Under the commands within the old contract it would have been impossible for Cornelius to properly serve God and keep the 7th Day Sabbath, along with many in his household, while being in the Italian Regiment under Roman authority. Did Peter command Cornelius and his whole household to keep the Sabbath after they received the Holy Spirit. No! So why are you Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day cult followers going around trying to shove the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath down people’s throats telling followers of Christ they have to keep the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath? There is no way this lie can be sustained within this discussion board with any sincerity and truth.

What about all the people around the world today who are in the same position Cornelius was or even worse? What do you Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day cult followers bring to them except a yoke that is impossible for them to bear? This is why I am convinced that this Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath cult is a Satanic cult and a Satanic doctrine. Satan knows those laws were for a physical nation, physically liberated from the physical kingdoms of the world on a physical plot of ground with real physical boarders and with a real physical military to protect from real physical incursions. To bring this doctrine to those who have been set free under Christ and who now bear His “easy” yoke and attempt to place a heavy yoke upon them that most people around the world would find impossible to bear is outright cruelty. It only serves to place people under more bondage and the crippling of useless guilt and to block those from entering Christ’s eternal rest, which is the salvation of their souls.

 

[chubbena]

Just because the majority cannot observe a law does not mean that law is no more. The reason why the Israelites had to be reminded after they left Egypt.
Today many left Egypt, have the freedom to choose which day to rest, choose not to on Sabbath.
Those who don't have the freedom? It proves we are, as a whole, slaves in this world. Cry out to Him.

 

[Rockbysea]

Just because the majority cannot observe a law does not mean that law is no more. The reason why the Israelites had to be reminded after they left Egypt.
Today many left Egypt, have the freedom to choose which day to rest, choose not to on Sabbath.
Those who don't have the freedom? It proves we are, as a whole, slaves in this world. Cry out to Him.

Because you cannot differentiate between God’s law, which is spirit, and the physical contract that God’s law was expressed through which was solely for a physical nation you remain in bondage by your fleshly ignorance. And to insinuate that many people in this world have the freedom to rest on the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath and because they don’t proves they are slaves to the world implying that keeping the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath would liberate them from their enslavement and make them free like yourself is not only ignorant but it’s also pompous and it shows the true un-Christ-like nature of this cult. I had a 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day cult follower on this board compare me to a dog worthy of eating his discarded scraps of rotting flesh: The fruit of the Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day cult is identical to the fruit of the Pharisees during the time of Christ

 

[Josh321]

The fact that the bible said it was meant for the jews but yet i see gentiles trying to be jews and blatantly ignoring the word of God well i guess some people will have to anwser for that in the end