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Where in Scripture does it say a woman can never be the pastor of a church?
A 'woman' is to learn in submission to her husband, and, to ask questions at home and this submission of 2 Tim. 2:11 correlates to Ephesians 2 when Paul states that "a wife is to submit to her husband in everything.'
So, are we speaking of a 'woman' or a woman who is a pastor.
Paul seems in both 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 and also 1 Tim. 2:11-15 to be speaking of a specific woman, who is a wife to a husband, hence, the man and woman reference and Adam and Eve reference in verses 13,14, that precede verse 15, which, definitely, is speaking of a wife who is not to be in authority or teaching or preaching to her husband, but will be 'saved by childbearing.'
Make sense?
A 'woman' is to learn in submission to her husband, and, to ask questions at home and this submission of 2 Tim. 2:11 correlates to Ephesians 2 when Paul states that "a wife is to submit to her husband in everything.'
So, are we speaking of a 'woman' or a woman who is a pastor.
Paul seems in both 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 and also 1 Tim. 2:11-15 to be speaking of a specific woman, who is a wife to a husband, hence, the man and woman reference and Adam and Eve reference in verses 13,14, that precede verse 15, which, definitely, is speaking of a wife who is not to be in authority or teaching or preaching to her husband, but will be 'saved by childbearing.'
Make sense?
You could ignore him. Then if he responds you won't see it. Just saying. If someone asked me not to respond to their posts, I still would. I'm kind of stubborn like that. So if they ignored me, then they'd never see me do it!
Yeah...I hope that made sense...
Then if he responds you won't see it. Just saying. If someone asked me not to respond to their posts, I still would. I'm kind of stubborn like that. So if they ignored me, then they'd never see me do it!Yeah...I hope that made sense...
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Yes, you will have to put me on 'ignore,' and, then, you will not have to see my poignant posts supporting women able to preach and teach to men as the Lord calls them to be not just a woman of a man (wife of a husband) but, as a WOMAN WHO IS A PASTOR, and, therefore, does not have the title of just 'woman' of a man who she is married to.
Where in Scripture does it say a woman can never be the pastor of a church?
A 'woman' is to learn in submission to her husband, and, to ask questions at home and this submission of 2 Tim. 2:11 correlates to Ephesians 2 when Paul states that "a wife is to submit to her husband in everything.'
So, are we speaking of a 'woman' or a woman who is a pastor.
Paul seems in both 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 and also 1 Tim. 2:11-15 to be speaking of a specific woman, who is a wife to a husband, hence, the man and woman reference and Adam and Eve reference in verses 13,14, that precede verse 15, which, definitely, is speaking of a wife who is not to be in authority or teaching or preaching to her husband, but will be 'saved by childbearing.'
Make sense?
A 'woman' is to learn in submission to her husband, and, to ask questions at home and this submission of 2 Tim. 2:11 correlates to Ephesians 2 when Paul states that "a wife is to submit to her husband in everything.'
So, are we speaking of a 'woman' or a woman who is a pastor.
Paul seems in both 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 and also 1 Tim. 2:11-15 to be speaking of a specific woman, who is a wife to a husband, hence, the man and woman reference and Adam and Eve reference in verses 13,14, that precede verse 15, which, definitely, is speaking of a wife who is not to be in authority or teaching or preaching to her husband, but will be 'saved by childbearing.'
Make sense?
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You could ignore him. Then if he responds you won't see it. Just saying. If someone asked me not to respond to their posts, I still would. I'm kind of stubborn like that. So if they ignored me, then they'd never see me do it!
Yeah...I hope that made sense...
Then if he responds you won't see it. Just saying. If someone asked me not to respond to their posts, I still would. I'm kind of stubborn like that. So if they ignored me, then they'd never see me do it!Yeah...I hope that made sense...
you are displaying a pride issue. you feel that the way God left it is belittling to women, when its not. so what do you do when you feel belittled, you rebel and display your pride.
didnt God tell us to humble ourselves and keep our eyes on Him and heavenly things? so why are you so proud of this life. you are serving God 1st and foremost.
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Where in the bible does it say that a woman can not be a pastor or priest ?
Show me THOSE above words , and, I don't mean something close, I mean, those exact words, with the 'woman can never be a pastor in a church'.
I can tell you right now those words are NOT in the bible.
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Where in the bible does it say that a woman can not be a pastor or priest ?
Show me THOSE above words , and, I don't mean something close, I mean, those exact words, with the 'woman can never be a pastor in a church'.
I can tell you right now those words are NOT in the bible.
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And, now back to our regularly scheduled program .
Where in the bible does it say that a woman can not be a pastor or priest ?
Show me THOSE above words , and, I don't mean something close, I mean, those exact words, with the 'woman can never be a pastor in a church'.
I can tell you right now those words are NOT in the bible.
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And, now back to our regularly scheduled program .
Where in the bible does it say that a woman can not be a pastor or priest ?
Show me THOSE above words , and, I don't mean something close, I mean, those exact words, with the 'woman can never be a pastor in a church'.
I can tell you right now those words are NOT in the bible.
its been quoted like 7 times in the thread. its up to you to acknowledge it.
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I have nothing that's not out in the open, oleherm, between us, your view of women in ministry is different than mine, it's quite simply THAT.
My way of looking at interpretation of Scripture regarding women can be called to preach to men in a church, brother, THAT has zero, zip, nada, to do with either of our salvation's, nope, it does not. Eh, rewards? Maybe. But, salvation? no.
But, I will not respond to you specifically from now on , I can extend that kind of courtesy, no problem, the Lord leads. But, you can be sure, I will be led by the Lord to refute all the twisted words of so-called Truth that are really just untrue lies, lies, lies, from your mouth.
I just won't address you by name. So, don't put my name in your post responses and I won't put your name in mine.
That sounds fair to me, anyway, a statement of Love as Jesus intends the word done in action
I have nothing that's not out in the open, oleherm, between us, your view of women in ministry is different than mine, it's quite simply THAT.
My way of looking at interpretation of Scripture regarding women can be called to preach to men in a church, brother, THAT has zero, zip, nada, to do with either of our salvation's, nope, it does not. Eh, rewards? Maybe. But, salvation? no.
But, I will not respond to you specifically from now on , I can extend that kind of courtesy, no problem, the Lord leads. But, you can be sure, I will be led by the Lord to refute all the twisted words of so-called Truth that are really just untrue lies, lies, lies, from your mouth.
I just won't address you by name. So, don't put my name in your post responses and I won't put your name in mine.
That sounds fair to me, anyway, a statement of Love as Jesus intends the word done in action
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I have nothing that's not out in the open, oleherm, between us, your view of women in ministry is different than mine, it's quite simply THAT.
My way of looking at interpretation of Scripture regarding women can be called to preach to men in a church, brother, THAT has zero, zip, nada, to do with either of our salvation's, nope, it does not. Eh, rewards? Maybe. But, salvation? no.
But, I will not respond to you specifically from now on , I can extend that kind of courtesy, no problem, the Lord leads. But, you can be sure, I will be led by the Lord to refute all the twisted words of so-called Truth that are really just untrue lies, lies, lies, from your mouth.
I just won't address you by name. So, don't put my name in your post responses and I won't put your name in mine.
That sounds fair to me, anyway, a statement of Love as Jesus intends the word done in action
I have nothing that's not out in the open, oleherm, between us, your view of women in ministry is different than mine, it's quite simply THAT.
My way of looking at interpretation of Scripture regarding women can be called to preach to men in a church, brother, THAT has zero, zip, nada, to do with either of our salvation's, nope, it does not. Eh, rewards? Maybe. But, salvation? no.
But, I will not respond to you specifically from now on , I can extend that kind of courtesy, no problem, the Lord leads. But, you can be sure, I will be led by the Lord to refute all the twisted words of so-called Truth that are really just untrue lies, lies, lies, from your mouth.
I just won't address you by name. So, don't put my name in your post responses and I won't put your name in mine.
That sounds fair to me, anyway, a statement of Love as Jesus intends the word done in action
The bible teaches that women cannot lead churches. This is born out by experience. In the UK, every apostate denomination has women priests. When the church of England adopted legislation for women priests in 1984, one of the UK's largest Cathedrals, York Minister, was struck by lightning and largely destroyed. It was verily the beginning of the end. Now the CofE is trying to be nice to unrepentant homosexuals, as if they were going to stop the rapidly declining numbers.
The Methodists who have long admitted women priests, also tolerate practicing homosexuals as priests. There have been some scandals recently about Methodist priests also taking hard drugs.
Believe me, when women get in control of churches, it's the end.
The Methodists who have long admitted women priests, also tolerate practicing homosexuals as priests. There have been some scandals recently about Methodist priests also taking hard drugs.
Believe me, when women get in control of churches, it's the end.
I hope the next time this question is asked,there will be a poll taken just so everyone knows how the majority voted,and how the scriptures about this subject were interpreted.
I think the women are for teaching,even if there are men pesent. IDK if they are for continuing to teach while there are men present and IDK if there were men present if the men would be ok with the women being in charge.
I think the women are for teaching,even if there are men pesent. IDK if they are for continuing to teach while there are men present and IDK if there were men present if the men would be ok with the women being in charge.
Perilous times shall come when they will not heed sound doctrine but heap to themselves teachers that will tell them what they want to hear. These teachers will tickle their ears and they will not prosper.
Get indignant if you wish but God does not nor has He ever called women to pastor in His church. When women are pressed into that service it is always because the men are too weak to fulfill their given ministry and they are an embarrassment to God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Get indignant if you wish but God does not nor has He ever called women to pastor in His church. When women are pressed into that service it is always because the men are too weak to fulfill their given ministry and they are an embarrassment to God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Instruction for the Church
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. [SUP]22 [/SUP]So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and [SUP][k][/SUP]ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an [SUP][l][/SUP]ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; [SUP]25 [/SUP]the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. [SUP]27 [/SUP]If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; [SUP]28 [/SUP]but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; [SUP]32 [/SUP]and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; [SUP]33 [/SUP]for God is not a God of confusion but of [SUP][m][/SUP]peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is [SUP][n][/SUP]improper for a woman to speak in church. [SUP]36 [/SUP][SUP][o][/SUP]Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone does not recognize this, he [SUP][p][/SUP]is not recognized.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
1. What LAW was being quoted in verse 34?
2. Is it the 'brethren' only who are to prophesy in verse 39?
3. Does ALL exclude women in verse 31?
The Promise of the Spirit
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“[SUP][p][/SUP]It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all [SUP][q][/SUP]mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
4. Where and when are the daughters allowed to prophesy in verse 28?
Instruction for the Church
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, do not be children in your thinking; yet in evil be infants, but in your thinking be mature. [SUP]21 [/SUP]In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord. [SUP]22 [/SUP]So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore if the whole church assembles together and all speak in tongues, and [SUP][k][/SUP]ungifted men or unbelievers enter, will they not say that you are mad? [SUP]24 [/SUP]But if all prophesy, and an unbeliever or an [SUP][l][/SUP]ungifted man enters, he is convicted by all, he is called to account by all; [SUP]25 [/SUP]the secrets of his heart are disclosed; and so he will fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. [SUP]27 [/SUP]If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; [SUP]28 [/SUP]but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But if a revelation is made to another who is seated, the first one must keep silent. [SUP]31 [/SUP]For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted; [SUP]32 [/SUP]and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; [SUP]33 [/SUP]for God is not a God of confusion but of [SUP][m][/SUP]peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. [SUP]35 [/SUP]If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is [SUP][n][/SUP]improper for a woman to speak in church. [SUP]36 [/SUP][SUP][o][/SUP]Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord’s commandment. [SUP]38 [/SUP]But if anyone does not recognize this, he [SUP][p][/SUP]is not recognized.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Therefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak in tongues. [SUP]40 [/SUP]But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
1. What LAW was being quoted in verse 34?
2. Is it the 'brethren' only who are to prophesy in verse 39?
3. Does ALL exclude women in verse 31?
The Promise of the Spirit
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“[SUP][p][/SUP]It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all [SUP][q][/SUP]mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
4. Where and when are the daughters allowed to prophesy in verse 28?
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