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zone

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You shouldn't call others "cranky." It's very disrespectful, and what you call others can equally be aspersed back onto yourself.
sorry sir.
refer back to your anti-calvinist remarks (among others).
and i'm not even a calvinist.
you can call me anything you like - preferably a cab:)

why did you post this to me?:

"Quote Originally Posted by Gjolll
Animal sacrifices anyone? Not even the Jews indulge in such vanities."

because you hadn't bothered to understand my position on that?
yet decided to give me yours on mine?

which is fine.
i'm not overly concerned either way.
ta.
 
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So many men and women have made themselves into what the world wants them to be. :(
 
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You shouldn't call others "cranky." It's very disrespectful, and what you call others can equally be aspersed back onto yourself.
God bless you brother Gjoll! It's a good thing CC has you to protect the OP's feelings... from a woman.
 
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Zonie, please just give me your take on SAINT. What is a SAINT for you? Please and then I will show you why Paul could call the people (the saints) Saints! Not all people in Ephesis was saints, and not all were already FAITHFUL IN CHRSIT JESUS....


Zonie please, let us start at one group who is further than Christians on the road to God's GOAL... A PERFECT MAN... WE both agree the goal is a perfect man on earth! So let us start with SAINTS.... What doe Paul and God refer to as a SAINT... In Romans Paul write to the Romans CALLED TO BE SAINTS.... So now looks like some in Ephesis is already SAINTS, and some even complete in the FAITHFUL IN CHRIST....

Zonie I have to know what you think PAul sees as SAINT, and others as CALLED TO BE SAINTS... what is the difference? And I will test your PASTOR on this.. ASK HIM what yuo should tell me the difference is....Romans 1:7... To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

And Ephesians 1:1... to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Zonie let us just get the SAINTS done with then we will look at the PERFECTED saints... And THEN we will look at the thing between Peter and Paul and the lesson for us n that THING they had between them..... So let us do this in three steps...But I have to know what you take is on a CALLED TO BE SAINT and a SAINT.... what is a SAINT in your opinion ZONIE? Please ask your Pastor for input.... Then we can see who is who here! And who knows maybe we wil lagree that a saint is already without sin but NOT PERFECT YET! Sinless is NOT PERFECT! Perfect is more than being sinless....
 
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Who has called the women pastors to all those churches in those different denominations in the graphs, alexHis

I believe, the Holy Spirit leads men AND women in life, to be pastors ,evangelists, apostles, teachers, just as Ephesians 4 says, just as Ang mentions in her post with excellent 'Greek' meaning in its 'authentein' (word for 'authority' used once in Scripture, in 1 Tim. 2:12, while Paul uses 'exousia' and 'hipeiko' many times for 'authority' English word) meaning

It's good to let the Spirit lead you in this matter, the Lord leads, like I told you AlexHis, and, if I haven't told you, this is spiritual warfare and there are many who will CHOOSE to discredit all the women God's called to seminary who now have masters degrees, even, doctorates, and, teach men and women in churches.

Listen to folks' horrible, mean, debasing, unloving talk about denominations I put in the graph. Did you read Daniel's post,the guy who says 'hmmm' all the time, that guy . But, yeah, this is NOT a salvation issue but it's certainly hits on a lot of hot buttons. And, I am for the warm embrace of Christ who CALLS women to pastor churches, milady. I support God's call of ALL the women who are NOW a pastor in a church in the USA and around the word, fulfilling the CALL of God on her life .

Yes, AlexHis, there are thousands of women pastors in the USA and this is God's will, I believe, I cannot be against that kind of thing, for I do not know God's thoughts nor God's ways of using women as pastors and not just as laywomen in the church who are to be quiet and learn in full submission as 1 Tim. 2:11 teaches, and, 2:12 of the common woman :)

Hopefully, this makes sense, this bible forum is a place to pray for God's peace in your heart, in here, it's quite a place, there is much debate of doctrine, just as this women as pastors issue is. And, if you do not guard your heart by asking for Him to do, then, you can get caught up in bitterness, which roots anger, which roots sin, which roots death :(

I am not trying to say much to you on this topic, but will comment now, because your mind is young and the Lord is teaching you things, even, through me, of the triune nature of God. But, this is something that has much opposition and so I try to be as shrewd as a snake but as harmless as a dove, per words of Scripture, to oleherm, and, imperfectperfection, etc. on here who say women's role is NEVER as that of pastor because of what they think Scripture is saying as Truth to them.

Go with your heart, folllow your heart, and, the only way you can do that, young lady is to seek Him with all your heart.

James 1


Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. 13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death
hmmmm definitely not the Holy Spirit calling women to be pastors hhhh lexi is 1000% right
 
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Zonie, please just give me your take on SAINT. What is a SAINT for you? Please and then I will show you why Paul could call the people (the saints) Saints! Not all people in Ephesis was saints, and not all were already FAITHFUL IN CHRSIT JESUS....


Zonie please, let us start at one group who is further than Christians on the road to God's GOAL... A PERFECT MAN... WE both agree the goal is a perfect man on earth! So let us start with SAINTS.... What doe Paul and God refer to as a SAINT... In Romans Paul write to the Romans CALLED TO BE SAINTS.... So now looks like some in Ephesis is already SAINTS, and some even complete in the FAITHFUL IN CHRIST....

Zonie I have to know what you think PAul sees as SAINT, and others as CALLED TO BE SAINTS... what is the difference? And I will test your PASTOR on this.. ASK HIM what yuo should tell me the difference is....Romans 1:7... To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

And Ephesians 1:1... to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Zonie let us just get the SAINTS done with then we will look at the PERFECTED saints... And THEN we will look at the thing between Peter and Paul and the lesson for us n that THING they had between them..... So let us do this in three steps...But I have to know what you take is on a CALLED TO BE SAINT and a SAINT.... what is a SAINT in your opinion ZONIE? Please ask your Pastor for input.... Then we can see who is who here! And who knows maybe we wil lagree that a saint is already without sin but NOT PERFECT YET! Sinless is NOT PERFECT! Perfect is more than being sinless....


If someone now gets baptise and dies a 1hr after , is that person a saint ? Why or Why not ?
 
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Who has called the women pastors to all those churches in those different denominations in the graphs, alexHis

I believe, the Holy Spirit leads men AND women in life, to be pastors ,evangelists, apostles, teachers, just as Ephesians 4 says, just as Ang mentions in her post with excellent 'Greek' meaning in its 'authentein' (word for 'authority' used once in Scripture, in 1 Tim. 2:12, while Paul uses 'exousia' and 'hipeiko' many times for 'authority' English word) meaning

It's good to let the Spirit lead you in this matter, the Lord leads, like I told you AlexHis, and, if I haven't told you, this is spiritual warfare and there are many who will CHOOSE to discredit all the women God's called to seminary who now have masters degrees, even, doctorates, and, teach men and women in churches.

Listen to folks' horrible, mean, debasing, unloving talk about denominations I put in the graph. Did you read Daniel's post,the guy who says 'hmmm' all the time, that guy . But, yeah, this is NOT a salvation issue but it's certainly hits on a lot of hot buttons. And, I am for the warm embrace of Christ who CALLS women to pastor churches, milady. I support God's call of ALL the women who are NOW a pastor in a church in the USA and around the word, fulfilling the CALL of God on her life .

Yes, AlexHis, there are thousands of women pastors in the USA and this is God's will, I believe, I cannot be against that kind of thing, for I do not know God's thoughts nor God's ways of using women as pastors and not just as laywomen in the church who are to be quiet and learn in full submission as 1 Tim. 2:11 teaches, and, 2:12 of the common woman :)

Hopefully, this makes sense, this bible forum is a place to pray for God's peace in your heart, in here, it's quite a place, there is much debate of doctrine, just as this women as pastors issue is. And, if you do not guard your heart by asking for Him to do, then, you can get caught up in bitterness, which roots anger, which roots sin, which roots death :(

I am not trying to say much to you on this topic, but will comment now, because your mind is young and the Lord is teaching you things, even, through me, of the triune nature of God. But, this is something that has much opposition and so I try to be as shrewd as a snake but as harmless as a dove, per words of Scripture, to oleherm, and, imperfectperfection, etc. on here who say women's role is NEVER as that of pastor because of what they think Scripture is saying as Truth to them.

Go with your heart, folllow your heart, and, the only way you can do that, young lady is to seek Him with all your heart.

James 1


Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him. 13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death

Why do all those deneominations you listed teach different things ?

Is the Holy Spirit divided on the teachings hmmm this will shew that the Holy Spirit did not call them

There is one sound doctrine not a mllion and one
 

zone

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so you didn't even take the time to read what i posted (in direct response to your questions), even though i read through all of yours?

which i always try to do:)

why should i try to answer your queries when you don't bother to read and ponder the answer - especially if i post from scripture? if you disagree, then at least it would be from scripture.

anyway.....i know your deep hatred for sin. i know your concerns about sin.
this is what The Holy Spirit is doing in us, Cobus.

but you can not just take your home-grown theology and keep pressing it into the BIBLE.
and if you're not even taking heed to THE CALL - repent AND be baptized into Christ...what can i say?

But I have to know what you take is on a CALLED TO BE SAINT and a SAINT....
oh my.

well, Paul is saying called to be saved...called to be a member of the body. called by WHOM Cobus?

he is not saying they were being called to be saints some day, but were not yet saints.

this is what happens when you are self-taught Cobus.

Romans 8
28And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

do you under-estimate the Work of the Holy Spirit, The Trinity in your salvation Cobus?

what is a SAINT in your opinion ZONIE?
what does my OPINION have to do with it?

SAINT

hagios: sacred, holy
Original Word: ἅγιος, ία, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: hagios
Phonetic Spelling: (hag'-ee-os)
Short Definition: set apart, holy, sacred
Definition: set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred.

40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other ("otherness"), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means "likeness of nature with the Lord" because "different from the world."

The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is "different" – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios ("holy") because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios ("holy") has the "technical" meaning "different from the world" because "like the Lord."

[40 (hágios) implies something "set apart" and therefore "different (distinguished/distinct)" – i.e. "other," because special to the Lord.]



now let's try looking again at (not yet by his own admission) perfect Paul the Apostle & Saint's greeting to the church that was struggling with so much disorder; sin and chaos:

1 Corinthians 1
1Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours.

1 Corinthians 1 ESV

Please ask your Pastor for input....
my pastor will not claim to be "perfect" Cobus, per your definition.

he will claim to be called; and sanctified; baptized into His death and raised in His resurrection;seated with Christ in the heavenlies; passed from death life; FORGIVEN AND WASHED; and also, according to PAUL, to be glorified.

and my pastor is godly; qualified; upright and an example.
but he will not tell you he is perfect.

Then we can see who is who here! And who knows maybe we wil lagree that a saint is already without sin but NOT PERFECT YET! Sinless is NOT PERFECT! Perfect is more than being sinless....
well, you are right about that.
what you don't understand is this...which i find very disturbing...since you claim at some point the Triune God stops working in a man!!!

2 Corinthians 5
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 3
21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

it is FAITH IN WHAT GOD HAS DONE IN JESUS CHRIST that justifies you in God's sight Cobus.
and when are you going to get around to looking at the greek word AGO (led) regarding the Spirit's Work in the called saints?


love zone.
 
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Zonie, please just give me your take on SAINT. What is a SAINT for you? Please and then I will show you why Paul could call the people (the saints) Saints! Not all people in Ephesis was saints, and not all were already FAITHFUL IN CHRSIT JESUS....


Zonie please, let us start at one group who is further than Christians on the road to God's GOAL... A PERFECT MAN... WE both agree the goal is a perfect man on earth! So let us start with SAINTS.... What doe Paul and God refer to as a SAINT... In Romans Paul write to the Romans CALLED TO BE SAINTS.... So now looks like some in Ephesis is already SAINTS, and some even complete in the FAITHFUL IN CHRIST....

Zonie I have to know what you think PAul sees as SAINT, and others as CALLED TO BE SAINTS... what is the difference? And I will test your PASTOR on this.. ASK HIM what yuo should tell me the difference is....Romans 1:7... To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:

And Ephesians 1:1... to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Zonie let us just get the SAINTS done with then we will look at the PERFECTED saints... And THEN we will look at the thing between Peter and Paul and the lesson for us n that THING they had between them..... So let us do this in three steps...But I have to know what you take is on a CALLED TO BE SAINT and a SAINT.... what is a SAINT in your opinion ZONIE? Please ask your Pastor for input.... Then we can see who is who here! And who knows maybe we wil lagree that a saint is already without sin but NOT PERFECT YET! Sinless is NOT PERFECT! Perfect is more than being sinless....
UMMM Cobus,

PAUL NEVER CLAIMED TO BE PERFECTED IN THIS LIFE. :rolleyes:
 
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Well, I am the real thing. I am a woman and I am a pastor/chaplain. I preach, teach the Word, lead worship and visit the sick and elderly in two long term care facilities. I do funerals and memorials and baptisms and so far, God has not struck me dead. In fact, I have been blessed to help encourage Christians and to be encouraged in return.

So, one more time for those who were not here for the lessons on the exegesis of the Greek. And yes, in Biblical times perhaps women had to be silent, because they were not educated, and came from pagan backgrounds. I am a woman who is neither stubborn nor ignorant, and I happen to know the Bible in the original languages.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet." 1 Tim. 2:12

The word AUTHORITY here is a hapax legomena. That means it appears only ONCE in the whole Bible. It is not the usual word in the New Testament for authority, which is exousia.

Instead, we have a word which cannot be translated in terms of the way it is in other Bible verses, but translators have to turn to other contemporaneous sources to find out what the word means.

The word is authentein, (αύθεμτείν) in Greek. According to every scholarly source I have it means anything from "to act on one's own authority, to exercise authority, to murder, to domineer, to be an autocrat." So ALL of these terms suggest that a woman is not to be without God's authority, nor dominate or be an autocrat over a man.

Contextually, this is very important, because Timothy was the pastor in Ephesus, which was the home of the goddess Artemis or Diana. The temple of Artemis was one of the seven wonders of the ancient world, and Paul had already had run-ins with their silversmiths, who resented that Paul was pulling people away from worship of Artemis and not needing their idols. (See Acts 19)

Now the big thing about these worshipers of Artemis, was that the temple was run by wild priestesses. They wore their hair long and unruly and they did some nasty things to men in the name of their idol.

So imagine if some of them get saved, or pretend to be saved, and came into a church, and start domineering and doing all kinds of cultic things. Well, I agree these women should not be in control. They should not be exercising authority over anyone. They need to unlearn a LOT of things!

So Paul was right to tell Timothy in a private letter, to kindly keep these women under control in Ephesus. Does this one verse apply to ALL women for ALL time? Well, I think it is best that neither men nor women dominate. So in that sense, it is universal. But because Paul picked this word - the ONLY time he used it in all his letters, he was not talking about any kind of authority given by God. That would be exousia.

And as far as the qualifications for deacons, the passage in 1 Tim. 3 has also been very poorly translated. For one thing, the word autos which is a close to HE as you can get in Greek, does not appear at all in verses 1-7. . In addition, it talks about "deacons" in verses like 1 Tim 3:8, 10, 12 and 13. The word in Greek is Διακόνους, or diakonous, which means servant in the plural. It is also inclusive, so it could well be talking about women and men deacons. Verse 11 is most telling. My ESV translates it as thus:

"Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things." 1 Tim. 3:11

But this is in no way true to the Greek. The word used is γυναίκας, or gunaikas which in the UBS interlinear, actually has the word "deaconnesses" next to it. There is no THEIR in the passage in Greek. It is not in any way the "wives of the deacons." So it does give the qualifications for a woman - the same as a man!

As far as the office of pastor, I have yet to see anyone post a qualification for that office.

The big reference is Eph. 4:11:

"So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ." Eph. 4:11-13

There is no place in the entire chapter that Paul says only men can hold these positions. In fact, the Greek uses the word "Some" or τοϋς, which definitely includes both genders!!

So that is the low down. Once again, the Greek has nothing against women being pastors. The biases of translators has created this absolutely false doctrine that women cannot be preachers, leaders or in authority (exousia) in the church.

Really, what it boils down to, is looking closely at who really has "pasa exousia" ALL AUTHORITY - and that is Christ!

"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." Matt. 28:18
Thank you Angela!
This is spot on 100% Bible interpretation, including taking into account cultural relevance, which is mandatory for proper Biblical Hermeneutics.

The others, which support the opposite position have stated, that you cannot take cultural relevance into interpreting scripture. SO this is no win debate, but it was awesome for you to help out and prove that God is indeed not a respecter of persons!
 
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1 Corinthians 14:34,40

Women can make comments. But women taking the place of a man and teaching the congregation is NOT her place.
 

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1 Corinthians 14:34,40

Women can make comments. But women taking the place of a man and teaching the congregation is NOT her place.
How does the command to "keep silent" and "not permitted to speak" suggest that she is permitted to make comments?
 
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Psalms 68:11 says that women proclaiming the good news of God is a LARGE ARMY. also other scriptures have explained how God anointed women with Holy Spirit to teach. So that's why women are allowed to make comments.
 
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How does the command to "keep silent" and "not permitted to speak" suggest that she is permitted to make comments?

Nope you are wrong if the pastor preaches and both Husband and wife does not understand and the husband cannot speak what then

Women can sing , teach the children etc but not the men as if in preaching there wre women wiser than men in the bible

Women are intiltied to ask questions in the church if they do not understand something

When paul said ask at home the women at that time were only making noise as to gosip as women so often do

it woul be ridiculous that they come to church and do not understand what the pastor preached what if they donot have a husband to ask

People need to read into contxt and understand what the bible says

Do you have bible lessons in your church ?

are only men allowed to participate and the women sit and just listen ?
 
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UMMM Cobus,

PAUL NEVER CLAIMED TO BE PERFECTED IN THIS LIFE. :rolleyes:
Sarah no perfect man will ever claim to be but God will witness that they are. Just remember what God said about a MAN HE SENDS AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. God is the one that equip them, BEFORE they are sent.... With what does God equip them? To whose LIKENESS and equalitty does God equip them? The Bible says to the FULNESS of Chrsit Jesus Himself. Unto a perfect man says God! Paul does not have to say it GOD DOES.

What was God's take on Paul? Did God not witness that Paul was the VESSEL he has chosen to be the Apostle to the Gentiles?

Paul preached perfection, as did Jesus, as did God through ALL Scripture. I only believe in God's PERFECT work unto a PERFECT man because God SHOWED it to me in Scripture. All of us, every one in CC knows this verse by now! Matthew 5:48. Do you think Jesus wasted words there? Do you think He did not mean it? When Paul says.,... Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection;

Was Paul perfect? Of coarse he was. Did He have to say it before you believe him, or will you take God's Word for it when God declared Paul perfect? Here is a challenge for the two ladies.. Zonie and Sarah show me where God says Paul walked 100% in the will of God... And remember the will of God is Matthew 5:48 and many other places where God says to be LIKE JESUS...

So was Paul LIKE JESUS? Can you two show me where God says HE IS 100% in the will of God! I shared this a few times on CC I hopw you read it and believed it!

So Sarah why should any man say... I am perfect when his whole life WITNESS it? Paul said he did not reach it but did he? Was he lying, or was he TEACHING? We will know when you show the Scripture where God witnessed through Paul about his holiness and stature and obedience to the faith.

Please be patient and take note how HOLY A SAINT IS!!!! Hagios is used for Godly standards ONLY! A Saint is already on the holy standard of God. God SEPERATED a sinner from his old self to such and extend that the sinner is now a SAINT in God's eyes... not yours or mine GOD'S... the Holy Spirit gives a person the SAINTSHIP, NOBODY ELSE.... Only the Holy Spirit knows when the SAINT IS SET APART 100%. BUT!!!! SAINTS ARE NOT PERFECT YET!!!! They need to be perfected by God!

ZONIE!!! Thank you for the Truth about a saint.
Zonie you know I love you and your church, and I judge no person, i only judge their doctrine. As you should mine. Mine I have proven many times to be 100% in the Scripture contradicting not a single statement of the Word of God. Zonie a saint is NOT IN THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of JESUS YET!!!!! A saint is NOT INE with the Body of ChrIst YET.....Let us start a new thread which we will call the STEPS TO SALVATION and we start from step ONE....The Calling, and then all can learn as we talk about it.


Zonie be calm and stay in the bond of love so we can for once and for all SEE what God does with a sinner he makes HIS OWN.... So I will start the thread called.... Steps of Salvation.


 
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Joel 2:28,29 and Acts 1
 

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How does the command to "keep silent" and "not permitted to speak" suggest that she is permitted to make comments?

welp, here's what he said about this related issue of head coverings:

13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

1 Corinthians 11 ESV < click

Verse 16. - But if any man seem to be contentious. St. Paul cuts the question short, as though impatient of any further discussion of a subject already settled by instinctive decorum and by the common sense of universal usage. "Seem to be contentious" is (like the Latin videtur) only a courteous way of saying "is contentious." If any of you wish to be disputatious and quarrelsome about this minor matter of ritual, I must content myself with saying that he must take his own course (for a similar use of the euphemistic "seem," see Philippians 3:4; Hebrews 4:1; James 1:26).

We have no such custom. The emphatic "we" means the apostles and the leaders of the Church at Jerusalem and Antioch. Such custom. Not referring to "contentiousness," but to the women appearing with uncovered heads. Neither the Churches of God. If you Corinthians prefer these abnormal practices in spite of reason, common sense, and my arguments, you must stand alone in your innovations upon universal Christian practice. But catholic custom is against your "self opinionated particularism." - Pulpit

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Psalms 68:11 says that women proclaiming the good news of God is a LARGE ARMY. also other scriptures have explained how God anointed women with Holy Spirit to teach. So that's why women are allowed to make comments.
i hope it is ask or comment and not preach
 
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