Starting with what I know as fact: The Millenial rule of Christ is a sure thing.
okay....so you know this
as fact.
The building of a new temple on the Temple Mount for the Jews to use is a sure thing.
as in...it's said in the Bible to happen? or just that they seem to be working towards it?
The offering of animals in the 70th week of Daniel is a sure thing.
OKAY....let's see...here's Daniel in Babylon (the captivity before they were released to go back to Israel and rebuild the city and the temple, and then Jesus was born; lived under The Law; taught; suffered; died for Israel and the world; and rose from the dead; ascended and received all authority in heaven and on earth; ; the Holy Spirit came; the gospel went out to the world from Jerusalem; then the Great Harlot (apostate) Jerusalem (those who refused Jesus) was leveled by prince Titus and the Romans):
Daniel 9
Daniel's Prayer for his People
1In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of the seed of the Medes, which was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans; 2In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. 3And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes: 4And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments; 5We have sinned, and have committed iniquity, and have done wickedly, and have rebelled, even by departing from thy precepts and from thy judgments: 6Neither have we hearkened unto thy servants the prophets, which spake in thy name to our kings, our princes, and our fathers, and to all the people of the land.
7O Lord, righteousness belongeth unto thee, but unto us confusion of faces, as at this day; to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and unto all Israel, that are near, and that are far off, through all the countries whither thou hast driven them, because of their trespass that they have trespassed against thee. 8O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee. 9To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him; 10Neither have we obeyed the voice of the LORD our God, to walk in his laws, which he set before us by his servants the prophets. 11Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him. 12And he hath confirmed his words, which he spake against us, and against our judges that judged us, by bringing upon us a great evil: for under the whole heaven hath not been done as hath been done upon Jerusalem. 13As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth. 14Therefore hath the LORD watched upon the evil, and brought it upon us: for the LORD our God is righteous in all his works which he doeth: for we obeyed not his voice.
15And now, O Lord our God, that hast brought thy people forth out of the land of Egypt with a mighty hand, and hast gotten thee renown, as at this day; we have sinned, we have done wickedly. 16O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us. 17Now therefore, O our God, hear the prayer of thy servant, and his supplications, and cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate, for the Lord's sake. 18O my God, incline thine ear, and hear; open thine eyes, and behold our desolations, and the city which is called by thy name: for we do not present our supplications before thee for our righteousnesses, but for thy great mercies. 19O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
Gabriel's Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks
20And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God; 21Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. 22And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. 23At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.
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Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
so : "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"
i reckon sacrifice is mentioned in Daniel 9.
but that 70th week is apparently future to us - CHECK.
which means:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
none of that was accomplished.
we're still waiting....nobody (certainly no one from Israel) has been saved for 2000 years because the CLOCK STOPPED.
OKAY...i see where my reasoning has been faulty.
i thought 70 weeks was 70 weeks.
literally 490 years to the coming of Jesus and all those things listed - and after the 70 weeks then the city would be destroyed.
but apparently NOT.
alrighty - the 70th week lies in my future.
The rapture of the Church at the mid point of the 70th wk. of Daniel
WHOA.....okay....the rapture.
i haven't believed it before now, but you say it is fact.
and it does makes sense if this Age is The Mystery Parenthesis Gap Age that isn't connected to anything else.
The rapture of the Church at the mid point of the 70th wk. of Daniel
???
i missed that in Daniel. here is the last part...where is the rapture in Daniel?
(this is tough going, but i know it's
supposed to be extremely complicated and unknown):
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Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
where's the rapture in that?
God's punishment of the Jews for doing animal sacrifices again is a sure thing.
hmmm......well, i thought God wanted animal sacrifices?
A new Millenial temple for worship is a sure thing; BUT I do not think Jesus will allow animal sacrifices in the Millenium. I know the nations will come to Jerusal;em to keep the feast of Tabernacles, I don't think animal sacrifices will be needed for that feast.
okay - you say
no animal sacrifices, but a Millennial Age with a Temple.
is that Millennial Temple eventually destroyed (at the end of the millennium)?
....hopefully this person can show me how to reason through this: i don't want to be GUILTY OF THAT. if Jesus' death and suffering was just a SIDE SHOW, i need to make sure i believe that instead.