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Do you really think the original sin that condemned mankind and earth was just over eating an apple? I know it would have been disobedience but simple disobedience has never been dealt with this harshly. Satan tempted Eve with far more than a piece of fruit.

First off, the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was Satan, not a fruit tree. The Tree of Life is Christ, also, not a fruit tree.

Revelation 2:7 NKJV

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God." '


Revelation 22:14 NKJV

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.



Look back at Gen 2:

9 And out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Notice it doesn't say the Lord God made the tree of life and knowledge of good and evil, just that they were also in the midst of the garden. This implies that they were there already.

Cain was from Satan's seed, not Adam's. I know most people have never been taught this and it isn't specifically taught in the Bible but you can connect the dots and they are very compelling dots.

1. Adam and Eve saw that they were naked.
2. Gen 3:15:

15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."

Enmity means separation. So God put separation between Satan's seed and Eve's Seed. Now why do you suppose God did that if sex wasn't involved?


3. Cain and Abel were twins thus the need for enmity or separation. This part will be really hard for some to accept but read it closely:

1 Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, "I have acquired a man from the Lord."
2 Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.


Notice Adam "knew his wife ONCE, not twice!!!" Adam "knew" his wife and bore Cain then bore Abel. It doesn't say any time lapsed, nor does it say Adam "knew" his wife a second time. Eve did not know Cain was Satan's son as evidenced that she thought Cain was from the Lord.

4. Here is the clincher. Cain is NOT listed in Adam's genealogy!! Cain has his own genealogy which can be found at Gen 4:17-24. Genesis 5 contains Adam's genealogy with Seth listed as the first heir (because Abel was dead).

5. Notice also that God did not respect Cain's offering. Up to this point there was no discussion of what type of offering God wanted, fruit or meat. Heb 11 teaches us this:

4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.


1 John 3 teaches us this:

...not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother's righteous.

What did Cain do prior to murdering Abel that was evil? We aren't told except for offering a sacrifice that wasn't pleasing to the Lord. This is the first recorded sacrifice and it started with the first generation from Adam and Eve.

Turn now to John 8:

44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.


Satan and his fallen angels perverted creation. The Naphtali were a mixed race of giants from Satan's line. Thus God had to destroy earth. Satan tried so hard to corrupt the bloodlines from which Jesus was to come. He failed but this is why the genealogy of Christ is stressed. Gen 6:4.

6. Worshiping Satan or false religion is called Idolatry. Idolatry (Satan worship) has always been a synonym to sexually immorality or adultery throughout the Bible. Ever wonder why?

Rev 17:

5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Mat 24:

19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!

Rev 14:

4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.

God is very displeased with anyone who doesn't worship Him for to worship anything other than God is to worship Satan. The above verses make clear that Harlotry and Satan worship is the same thing. If you understand that Satan seduced Eve, it is easy to see why God cursed His own creation and why the punishment was so severe then as it will be to those who worship the False Christ in the very near future.

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PlainWord

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No thanks. Satan has been out to destroy man since forever. Homosexuality was the original sin that caused this whole big nut roll? I doubt it. Satan did tempt Eve. But, she had a choice to obey as well as Adam did. They disobeyed what God said not to do. Why would nonsense like that even be on a rapture site?
You can't accept that but you can accept it being over a piece of fruit???? Wow. Why did God have to put enmity between Satan's seed and Eve's seed then, HUH!!???
 

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I don't know who or what that is??

I read the Bible and study it. I laid out my case for Cain to be the son of Satan. Go ahead and refute it if you can using alternative scripture.
 
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Satan wants to do whatever he can to corrupt God's creation. Homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord. That's why He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. This is also why the USA will start being judged and cursed more than ever as Gay marriage is becoming more and more accept and legal in states. Marriage is defined by God as a union of One Man - One Woman. It is a divine union. Man is changing it and it will spell big trouble for us soon, I fear.

Who was the father of Essau ?
 
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I don't know who or what that is??

I read the Bible and study it. I laid out my case for Cain to be the son of Satan. Go ahead and refute it if you can using alternative scripture.

how are persons God sons and daughters ? were you onnce a child of the devil ? why or why not
 
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You can't accept that but you can accept it being over a piece of fruit???? Wow. Why did God have to put enmity between Satan's seed and Eve's seed then, HUH!!???
can a child of God become a child of the devil ? who was judus father ? the devil or not
 
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You can't accept that but you can accept it being over a piece of fruit???? Wow. Why did God have to put enmity between Satan's seed and Eve's seed then, HUH!!???
The point is that they were told not to do something...so naturally they did anyway. Satan's seed is not literal seed ... as in sperm. That is stretching things too far, don't you think so? I suppose God really has wings? A camel can fit through the eye of a needle.

This theory of Satan having sex to produce children is definitely worthy of the SyFy channel.
 

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Do any of you doubt that Satan's angels have slept with human women in the past???

Gen 6:

4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God (SATAN'S FALLEN ANGELS)

came in to the daughters of men

(HUMAN WOMEN)
and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

7 So the Lord said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them."


It is right after this lesson that we see God decided to destroy the earth!!!

Now if Satan's angels would sleep with humans, why would Satan not do it himself???? Wouldn't Satan be the example for his angels? It isn't that difficult to see. I'm sorry if this offends sensitivities and ruins all those beautiful coloring books they give out in Sunday School with Satan giving Eve an apple but this is how things went down and it certainly makes a lot more sense than all of this being over an apple.
 

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The point is that they were told not to do something...so naturally they did anyway. Satan's seed is not literal seed ... as in sperm. That is stretching things too far, don't you think so? I suppose God really has wings? A camel can fit through the eye of a needle.

This theory of Satan having sex to produce children is definitely worthy of the SyFy channel.
We mock what we don't understand. That's okay Anonymous, you keep believing your Johnny Apple Seed theory if you want to.
 
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We mock what we don't understand. That's okay Anonymous, you keep believing your Johnny Apple Seed theory if you want to.
Really now. What was supposed to be the point of the original post? I'm curious. There is no doubt that that homosexuality is an abomination. No argument there. So, what was the purpose of the original post? Thanks, I will keep to what the word says..."a tree...fruit..." Unless by fruit it was intended to mean homosexuals?
 
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this is more plausible
 
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Oh geeeez! Why don't you people get a grip? why can't you just accept the rapture will come when it will come. honestly! People, you are contributing to all the confusion. Youtube is Not God, you cannot Rely on youtube videos for answers. Just accept the bible what it says, and wait for the rapture for when it will come. seriously people, I seen more go in a bottle of spring water.
 

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Notice how Cain and Seth used similar names for their children within their linage? Satan has been trying to copy God since Day 1. I will use colors to show the similarities in names from Gen 4-5:

LINE OF CAIN:

17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son--Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech. 19 Then Lamech took for himself two wives: the name of one was Adah, and the name of the second was Zillah. 20 And Adah bore Jabal. He was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. 21 His brother's name was Jubal. He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute. 22 And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah. 23 Then Lamech said to his wives: "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; Wives of Lamech, listen to my speech! For I have killed a man for wounding me, Even a young man for hurting me. 24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold."

LINE OF SETH
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25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and named him Seth, "For God has appointed another seed for me instead of Abel, whom Cain killed." 6 Seth lived one hundred and five years, and begot Enosh. 7 After he begot Enosh, Seth lived eight hundred and seven years, and had sons and daughters. 8 So all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years; and he died. 9 Enosh lived ninety years, and begot Cainan. 10 After he begot Cainan, Enosh lived eight hundred and fifteen years, and had sons and daughters. 11 So all the days of Enosh were nine hundred and five years; and he died. 12 Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalalel. 13 After he begot Mahalalel, Cainan lived eight hundred and forty years, and had sons and daughters. 14 So all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years; and he died. 15 Mahalalel lived sixty-five years, and begot Jared. 16 After he begot Jared, Mahalalel lived eight hundred and thirty years, and had sons and daughters. 17 So all the days of Mahalalel were eight hundred and ninety-five years; and he died. 18 Jared lived one hundred and sixty-two years, and begot Enoch. 19 After he begot Enoch, Jared lived eight hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 20 So all the days of Jared were nine hundred and sixty-two years; and he died. 21 Enoch lived sixty-five years, and begot Methuselah. 22 After he begot Methuselah, Enoch walked with God three hundred years, and had sons and daughters. 23 So all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. 24 And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. 26 And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on the name of the Lord. 25 Methuselah lived one hundred and eighty-seven years, and begot Lamech. 26 After he begot Lamech, Methuselah lived seven hundred and eighty-two years, and had sons and daughters.

I read someone's study on this which is way better than this but isn't it uncanny how Cain (who moved to the land of Nod) and lived apart from Adam's family used very similar names? Here's something else that I found to get us back to the Rapture topic.

Noah's father, Lamech, lived to be 777 years. Then with Noah came the judgment and the earth was destroyed. The Lord returns at the 7th seal, 7th trumpet, 7th bowl
 
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Oh Geez. you would think people on here has more important things to do.
 

PlainWord

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Oh geeeez! Why don't you people get a grip? why can't you just accept the rapture will come when it will come. honestly! People, you are contributing to all the confusion. Youtube is Not God, you cannot Rely on youtube videos for answers. Just accept the bible what it says, and wait for the rapture for when it will come. seriously people, I seen more go in a bottle of spring water.
It's an important topic. If it bothers you, stop coming on these threads a complaining about the debate. Antichrist comes first, he comes to deceive and to get people, especially Christians, to worship him. Those that do will suffer greatly for it.

The only way many weaker Christians will know who is the real Christ is the order of their appearances. If they have been misled into believing in a pre-Trib Rapture, they will be in big trouble.

Heb 9:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

I don't see where it says Christ comes a third time. But Pre-Tribbers teach that he does and that his appearance in the clouds doesn't count because his feet don't touch the ground. But the passage above says "APPEAR" not touch down or stay in the clouds. He appears in the clouds, He appears on Mount Zion. This is the same visit. Nothing says He leaves after ANY visit.

It is important because we are just days away now from the sounding of the first trumpet!!! The 2nd Trumpet is also getting ready to sound and could happen shortly after the first trumpet. The False Prophet is already here and in power. He came into office on 3/13/13.

Again, If one isn't watching and doesn't know the correct order of which Christ comes first, the chances of being deceived go up dramatically.
 

PlainWord

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The KJV states that God "hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth.
Key words here are ONE BLOOD. Did you know that man does not pass his blood, just his DNA? Thus the blood was from Eve.

Paul said that "as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men..."[SUP][6][/SUP]
That one man was Adam, not Cain. Not one woman, not one serpent. One man - Adam
Who said Cain was the original sinner? Cain was the bi-product of the first sin. The word, Man used here is 444 Anthropos which means: Man-faced, a human being. It is not gender specific.

According to the Serpent’s Seed doctrine, Cain was conceived inside of the Garden when Adam and Eve had sex with the Serpent. However, Genesis 4:1 is clear that Adam and Eve were outside of the garden when Cain was conceived. The Serpent’s Seed doctrine says this is 100% false, forcing you to deny another portion of scripture and call the Holy Spirit a liar.
The sin occurred in the garden. Gen 4:1 says,

1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived

This conception was Abel. She was already pregnant with Cain.

All the other arguments from the article are weak and do nothing to dispel the idea that Satan was Cain's father. If Cain was of Adam's seed, why was Cain evil and Abel not? Why is Cain not listed in Adam's genealogy???

It matters little what happened in the garden but all my arguments from above I think are more compelling than the counter arguments made on the link you provided.
 

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[h=3]I would like to enter this debate, but only if we keep it nice. No name calling or being rude, please.
Genesis 4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

4 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.


This does not say that Satan knew Eve, It says that Adam did and as the result of having SEX WITH ADAM she had Cain. If she had gotten Cain from Satan, she would not have said "I have gotten man from THE LORD"

Then it says that she got pregnant AGAIN, AFTER SHE "BARE" CAIN.