For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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Paul did speak to the Gentile churches on the Sabbath...
In Antioch...
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
That would be the Gentile city of Antioch.
In Phillipi...
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat
In Thessalonica...
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Paul's manner was the Sabbath.
In Corinth...
Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them.
Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Every week on the Sabbath.
Now if Paul really did not keep the Sabbath...
Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Act 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
do you think these guys would have said they found no evil in Paul? They would have stoned him on the spot if he broke the Sabbath and taught others to.
In Antioch...
Act 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
That would be the Gentile city of Antioch.
In Phillipi...
Act 16:12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Act 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat
In Thessalonica...
Act 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Paul's manner was the Sabbath.
In Corinth...
Act 18:1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;
Act 18:2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them. Act 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.
Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.
Every week on the Sabbath.
Now if Paul really did not keep the Sabbath...
Act 23:8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.
Act 23:9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.
do you think these guys would have said they found no evil in Paul? They would have stoned him on the spot if he broke the Sabbath and taught others to.
Colossians 2
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come;the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you.Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
And again the Sabbath was NOT given to the Gentiles but the Jews as a sign. Remember Paul was a Pharisee and knew the Mosaic law inside and out,yet not once does he tell the Gentiles to observe the Sabbath. He never tells the slaves that they are to observe it even though many of the slaves again were owned by UNBELIEVERS and would be REQUIRED to work on the Sabbath. Paul does tell the slave to OBEY their masters. Please show where Paul tells the slaves that they will have to disobey their masters on the Sabbath. He does write on the other nine and Christ's commands but not once does he address the Gentile churches on the matter of the Sabbath outside of Colossians 2. And by the neither does James,John or Peter write the Gentile churches about the Sabbath.
Uh, why is all the Apostles and the entirety of the New Testament silent about the changing of the Sabbath? If the Sabbath had been changed it would have been much bigger news than circumcision and it is not mentioned in Acts 15 or ANYWHERE in the New Testament. Why? The Apostles didn't go around saying we are NOT changing the Sabbath. There was no need to state such an obvious fact.
As far as Paul teaching the Sabbat, he did. He did by teaching on the Sabbath see this reply...
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ath-affect-your-salvation-26.html#post1312244
As far as Paul teaching the Sabbat, he did. He did by teaching on the Sabbath see this reply...
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ath-affect-your-salvation-26.html#post1312244
uh....the subject was the resurrection.
with THAT they found no fault.
like are you for real?
The Pharisees who rejected Christ and all Paul's (supposedly contrary doctrines) say "yo, he's all good, we find no fault CUZ he keeps the sabbath?"
professional cherry-pickers.
you're good to go though - your savior is not a crucified and risen Christ WHO IS REST, no it is a day of the week.
with THAT they found no fault.
like are you for real?
The Pharisees who rejected Christ and all Paul's (supposedly contrary doctrines) say "yo, he's all good, we find no fault CUZ he keeps the sabbath?"
professional cherry-pickers.
you're good to go though
- your savior is not a crucified and risen Christ WHO IS REST, no it is a day of the week.
Whole books have been written on the subject of assurance of salvation. Puritan/reformed authors on this topic include: JC Ryle, Thomas Brooks, William Guthrie, Jonathan Edwards. I'm sure there are more. More than a few have struggled for years to gain full assurance.
Full assurance of salvation is not as easy as a saying a sinner's pray, answering an altar call or signing a decision card. I don't believe in decisional regeneration or baptismal regeneration or education regeneration (knowing doctrine won't get you regenerated and saved). I believe in spiritual regeneration as a work done by the Holy Spirit.
As Jesus said: You must be born again. Spiritual birth is accomplished only by God Himself. Crying out to God in repentance and believing prayer is a good thing. There are Scriptural promises to know and believe but God remains Sovereign.
Jn 3:8 The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
Full assurance of salvation is not as easy as a saying a sinner's pray, answering an altar call or signing a decision card. I don't believe in decisional regeneration or baptismal regeneration or education regeneration (knowing doctrine won't get you regenerated and saved). I believe in spiritual regeneration as a work done by the Holy Spirit.
As Jesus said: You must be born again. Spiritual birth is accomplished only by God Himself. Crying out to God in repentance and believing prayer is a good thing. There are Scriptural promises to know and believe but God remains Sovereign.
Jn 3:8 The wind blows where it chooses, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.
Please show me ONE TIME where Paul says not to keep the Sabbath, the Sabbath has been changed, the Sabbath isn't the day of worship.
As far as the Sabbath being a sign for Israel, we have done this before...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The New Covenant is made with Israel and Judah...
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Here Paul refers to converted Christians as Israel...
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
So if the New Covenant is made with Israel and Judah adn the church is the Israel of God and the New Covenant is the writing of the Torah in our hearts and minds, the Sabbath is for all who are converted Christians.
As far as Col 2:16-17, you quote that a lot, have you ever read it?
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
And you are telling me I am wrong for keeping the Sabbath? Hmmm, I think I will disregard your judgment.
As far as someone missing the point...
As far as the Sabbath being a sign for Israel, we have done this before...
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
The New Covenant is made with Israel and Judah...
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Here Paul refers to converted Christians as Israel...
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
So if the New Covenant is made with Israel and Judah adn the church is the Israel of God and the New Covenant is the writing of the Torah in our hearts and minds, the Sabbath is for all who are converted Christians.
As far as Col 2:16-17, you quote that a lot, have you ever read it?
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
And you are telling me I am wrong for keeping the Sabbath? Hmmm, I think I will disregard your judgment.
As far as someone missing the point...
show me a single NT commandment in the NT epistles, ordained and inspired by God Himself - that says "sabbath-breaking" is a sin. they reiterated every other sin...where's the beef john?
while you're looking for that (lol)...
Leviticus 16
29“And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselvesb and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. 30For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the LORD from all your sins. 31It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it is a statute forever. 32And the priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father’s place shall make atonement, wearing the holy linen garments. 33He shall make atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. 34And this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins.” And Moses did as the LORD commanded him.
hold on...once every year?
i though He said forever.
are you keeping THAT Sabbath?
exactly as commanded?
if you are, you are sacrificing animals.
while you're looking for that (lol)...
Leviticus 16
29“And it shall be a statute to you forever that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall afflict yourselvesb and shall do no work, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you. 30For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the LORD from all your sins. 31It is a Sabbath of solemn rest to you, and you shall afflict yourselves; it is a statute forever. 32And the priest who is anointed and consecrated as priest in his father’s place shall make atonement, wearing the holy linen garments. 33He shall make atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tent of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. 34And this shall be a statute forever for you, that atonement may be made for the people of Israel once in the year because of all their sins.” And Moses did as the LORD commanded him.
hold on...once every year?
i though He said forever.
are you keeping THAT Sabbath?
exactly as commanded?
if you are, you are sacrificing animals.
I see in the pasted post above that the mention is made of other Sabbaths tailored to specific feasts. Yes there are several other sabbaths, but the Sabbath of the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord. It is the only Sabbath in the Ten Commandments. Now these commandments of Salvation are not difficult to follow, they should not be a burden to anyone who loves the Father and his fellow man.
If you are looking for everything to be plain and simply stated on everything, then the Bible and the New Testament are silent about much.
If you have some discernment, then the Bible has much to say
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The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. (Psalm 19:7)
To give subtlety to the simple...(Proverbs 1:4)
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (Luke 10:21)
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Hebrews 5:14)
If you have some discernment, then the Bible has much to say
.
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. (Psalm 19:7)
To give subtlety to the simple...(Proverbs 1:4)
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. (Luke 10:21)
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. (Hebrews 5:14)
Romans 3
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”[b]
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]
Colossians 3
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.10 As it is written:
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”[b]
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]
Colossians 3
8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.