For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[RedTent]

DOING any of the Law?
like what RedTent?

casting bread on living waters?
writing things on your doorposts?
prayer shawls?
Hebrew Roots teachers?

i rarely hear you mention Jesus Christ and His work.


oh look...here's that pesky little Book again.
you know the one.

Galatians 6
14But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whichb the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

Are you saying that prayer shawls can be compared to the command to keep the Sabbath?

Have you turned such a blind eye to Christ that you can not read my posts referring to Christ?

I have read your bible copy and paste, and almost every one is not listening to them as God gave them, but with interpretations of them. Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today? You are being used, Zone, and it is not by God.

 

[zone]

To me that's what it sounds like Ezekiel said what God Himself said.

hmmmm.....i wonder if that's why the Messianics who are ashamed to be called Christians, and the others who are ashamed of Christians and Christ's Name and Church needed (among other innovations) A New Perspective on Paul

here's that little book again...it just won't go away:

Galatians 4
Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

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[zone]

Are you saying that prayer shawls can be compared to the command to keep the Sabbath?

Have you turned such a blind eye to Christ that you can not read my posts referring to Christ?

I have read your bible copy and paste, and almost every one is not listening to them as God gave them, but with interpretations of them. Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today? You are being used, Zone, and it is not by God.

you were never commanded to keep the sabbath, and you don't keep it as commanded.

Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?

please do tell.
i'm listening.
please cite your sources.

 

[Rockbysea]

The same can probably be said about modern day Christians who go to "main stream" churches.

Exactly the same thing can be said and I referred to that under a discussion about “grace”. I mentioned that the same dark forces that control the political system control the Christian religious system and they employ the same tactics of polarization.

Spiritual laws - would you elaborate what they are?
The law mentioned in Psalms 1, 19, 119. What law was referred to by the psalmist?

I’m not sure why it’s so hard for some to understand the difference between God’s law and the contract that God’s law is expressed through. When you say:

“What law was referred to by the psalmist?”

Well God’s law of course.

But what contract was God’s law expressed through at the time of the psalmist?

The old national contract (the old covenant)

Now if you say:

“What law was referred to by John when he said, “Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments?"

Well God’s law of course.

But what contract was God’s law expressed through at the time John said this.

The new national contract (the new covenant)

Now God’s law is a spiritual law and it never changes… and it’s eternal. But the contracts that the law is expressed through can be different. Now since God’s spiritual law is eternal, meaning, it existed before the creation of space, time and matter… that means it existed before there were any sunrises or sunsets, new moons or full moons. That means God’s spiritual law existed for an eternity before the creation of any Sabbath or feast.

Now at one time God’s spiritual law was expressed through a physical contract which has physically written down ordinances to observe the times (Sabbaths) and seasons (feasts) all within the physical creation. But since Jesus Christ... God’s spiritual law is more appropriately expressed through a spiritual contract that does not contain physically written down ordinances to observe the times (Sabbaths) and seasons (feasts). It is obeyed more fully in the spirit where God’s spiritual law eternally resides in heaven outside of the physical creation. As I said those under the old physical contract have entombed themselves within the physical creation which has been slated for destruction.

 

[Isdaniel]

gathering together on the first day of the week is worshipping the beast?
you better read your bible.
and early church history.

your message of sabbath-keeping is not the Gospel of Christ.

Sunday worship is beast worship hmmm the whole world wondered after the beast i wonder why the broad road for Sunday worship christmas easter etc and a few keep God law and sabbath hmmm the majority hmmm God is coming for a few

 

[RedTent]

Red letters are the words of Jesus Christ.

Matt 12:2-4 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

That is what I mean about misusing scripture! God is not telling us to dishonor the Sabbath at all, God expects you to know that. God is telling us what it means to keep it. David and his men were very hungry, they needed food badly. The law of love comes first, as all scripture points out, all law is from love. God would not want the men to be that hungry, if they did not take the only food available to them they would be breaking a higher law.

 

[RedTent]

you were never commanded to keep the sabbath, and you don't keep it as commanded.

please do tell.
i'm listening.
please cite your sources.

Read the bible and read my posts. I am NOT going to post the entire bible or all my posts here. If you didn't read them before, why should I think you could read them now?

 

[SpiritofFire]

Sunday worship is beast worship hmmm the whole world wondered after the beast i wonder why the broad road for Sunday worship christmas easter etc and a few keep God law and sabbath hmmm the majority hmmm God is coming for a few

You would condemn a man for eggs and trees?

I say again that saturday is no better than sunday.

But I see this argument will go on until God shows you all these things.

 

[zone]

That is what I mean about misusing scripture! God is not telling us to dishonor the Sabbath at all, God expects you to know that. God is telling us what it means to keep it. David and his men were very hungry, they needed food badly. The law of love comes first, as all scripture points out, all law is from love. God would not want the men to be that hungry, if they did not take the only food available to them they would be breaking a higher law.

you are a teacher of the Law.
i'm bookmarking this because i would like your explanation.
don't forget to cite your sources, Redtent.

Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?

thank you.

 

[zone]

Read the bible and read my posts. I am NOT going to post the entire bible or all my posts here. If you didn't read them before, why should I think you could read them now?

you don't need to.
all you need to do is provide a link to your source of wisdom on this:

"Have you ever looked into why God gave Paul the words of Galatians and what it means to us today?"

i would like to look into it.
thanks for following through with your claims.

 

[Isdaniel]

The Ten Commandments are not part of the Law of Moses

Richard Anthony

[HR][/HR]

Please, allow me to show you how the scripture itself proves that the "Ten Commandments" and the "law of Moses" are two completely separate laws. I will discuss seven points.Simply stated, The "Law of Moses" has been known mainly as the "commandments of Moses" throughout the scripture, but can also be known as the commandments of God. On the other hand, the Ten Commandments are known only as the direct commandments of God, and never ever as the "commandments of Moses." And if they are not known as the commandments of Moses in the scripture, what right have we to call it such?


OneThe major point of difference between these two laws is the way they were recorded:

Exodus 31:18, "And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."​

No one can confuse the Ten Commandments writing with the way the Mosaic law was produced:

Deuteronomy 31:9, "And Moses wrote this law."​

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[Isdaniel]

TwoAnother major point of difference between these two laws is the way they were given to God's People.

Deuteronomy 4:36; 5:22, "Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: ...These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me."

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It's important to notice that after God wrote the Ten Commandments, he "added no more" to this Law, yet God gave Moses statutes, precepts, judgments, and ordinances afterwards. If the Mosaic law was part of the Ten Commandments, there would be a contradiction here, because God did add more to this law! But there was no contradiction, because God considered the Ten Commandments to be a separate Law. The Ten Commandments were spoken by God himself to the people, so that God would instruct them. There was no mediator involved! Moses was not the mediator of the Ten Commandments. But he was the mediator of the sacrificial laws:

Exodus 33:9, "And it came to pass, as Moses entered into the tabernacle, the cloudy pillar descended, and stood at the door of the tabernacle, andthe LORD talked with Moses."2 Chronicles 34:14, "...Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD given by Moses."


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Unlike the Ten Commandments, in which God talked directly to the people, the sacrificial and ceremonial laws were spoken to Moses only. Moses was the mediator of these temporary laws, but not the Ten Commandments.

 

[Isdaniel]

ThreeGod made known this distinction to Moses, and Moses explained it to the people at Mt. Horeb:

Deuteronomy 4:13-14, "And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it."​

Please notice how Moses clearly separated the Ten Commandments which "he commanded you", from the statutes which "he commanded me" to give the people. The big question now is whether those statutes and judgments were designated as separate and distinct "law".[See also Exodus 19:7; 39:1,5,7,21,26,29,31,32,42,43; 40:19,21,23,25,27,29,32 and Leviticus 7:38; 8:9,13,17,21,29: 9:10; 27:34]

 

[Isdaniel]

Four

2 Kings 21:8, "Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them, and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them."​

Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a "law". Two different laws are being described now. God speaks of the law "I commanded" (The Ten Commandments) and also of the law "Moses commanded" (the law of Moses).

[See also Leviticus 9:5 and Deuteronomy 33:4 for the commandments of Moses. Deuteronomy 6:2; 8:11; 11:22,27,28; 13:18; 15:5; 19:9; 27:10; 28:1,13,15 and Joshua 22:5 for two different laws. And Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 for the commandments of God]

 

[Isdaniel]

FiveThe following verses show that the "Ten Commandments" and the "law of Moses" are 2 separate laws, because they were separated physically:

Deuteronomy 31:24-26, "And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee."

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The book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark. In contrast, the Law written by God on tables of stone was placedinside the ark of the covenant.

Exodus 25:16, "And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee."​

The spiritual lesson of this physical separation is that we are to spiritually separate the Ten Commandments from the laws of Moses.

 

[Isdaniel]

Six

And, finally, the most important point. Did you know God himself wrote the Ten Commandments a second time? Moses broke the first Ten Commandments
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Exodus 34:1, "Hew thee two tablets of stone like unto first; and I will write upon the tablets the words that were on the first tables, which thou didst break."Deuteronomy 10:1 "...Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount; and make thee an ark of wood."


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Now, first of all, if the Ten Commandments were part of the Law of Moses, there would be no need for God to write the Ten Commandments a second time after Moses broke the original Ten Commandments. Why? Because the Ten Commandments would already exist inside, and be included in, and be a part of, the book of Moses.

The book of Moses still existed at that time, and was still being observed. But God decided to write the ten commandments a second time, which would have been meaningless if it was considered a part of the law of Moses, or the book of Moses.

So obviously, God considered His Law (His Ten Commandments), to be separate from the Law of Moses (the commandments of Moses). This shows that the two laws are to be considered separate and distinct laws from each other.

 

[zone]

Sunday worship is beast worship hmmm the whole world wondered after the beast i wonder why the broad road for Sunday worship christmas easter etc and a few keep God law and sabbath hmmm the majority hmmm God is coming for a few

CULT:


Adventists teach that the mark of the beast written about in Revelation is worshiping on Sunday. They believe that seventh-day Sabbath-keeping will identify God’s true church, and “Sunday worship” will be the mark of all those who will be lost. They believe that all those who worship on Sunday are following “the pope” and are participating in false religion. (see Ellen White quotes.)

“Remnant church” status separates them from the Body of Christ. Adventism teaches that it is the only true remnant church of Bible prophecy. Reflected in their Fundamental Belief No. 13, “remnant theology” really teaches that all churches that worship on Sunday are a part of the “widespread apostasy,” “Babylon”, or the “daughters of Babylon”. So even though Adventists acknowledge that God has His children in all churches, they add, “but through the remnant church He proclaims a message that is to restore His true worship by calling His people out of the apostasy and preparing them for Christ’s return."

SeventhDayCult.com

1st Century Jerusalem was the Great Harlot Babylon.
i'm afraid if she is being "revived", it is your cult which is her daughter.



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A Call to all Monotheistic Religions to Recognize and Honor Their Spiritual Mother - Judaism

Uploaded on Jun 29, 2009
The relationship between Judaism and Christianity and Islam can be likened to the relationship between a mother and her two children, a son (Christianity) and a daughter (Islam).

To properly "honor" its mother (Judaism), Christianity needs to acknowledge that all Jews are the "sons of God."

 

[Isdaniel]

CULT:


Adventists teach that the mark of the beast written about in Revelation is worshiping on Sunday. They believe that seventh-day Sabbath-keeping will identify God’s true church, and “Sunday worship” will be the mark of all those who will be lost. They believe that all those who worship on Sunday are following “the pope” and are participating in false religion. (see Ellen White quotes.)

“Remnant church” status separates them from the Body of Christ. Adventism teaches that it is the only true remnant church of Bible prophecy. Reflected in their Fundamental Belief No. 13, “remnant theology” really teaches that all churches that worship on Sunday are a part of the “widespread apostasy,” “Babylon”, or the “daughters of Babylon”. So even though Adventists acknowledge that God has His children in all churches, they add, “but through the remnant church He proclaims a message that is to restore His true worship by calling His people out of the apostasy and preparing them for Christ’s return."

SeventhDayCult.com

1st Century Jerusalem was the Great Harlot Babylon.
i'm afraid if she is being "revived", it is your cult which is her daughter.



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A Call to all Monotheistic Religions to Recognize and Honor Their Spiritual Mother - Judaism

Uploaded on Jun 29, 2009
The relationship between Judaism and Christianity and Islam can be likened to the relationship between a mother and her two children, a son (Christianity) and a daughter (Islam).

To properly "honor" its mother (Judaism), Christianity needs to acknowledge that all Jews are the "sons of God."

I am not Adventist and Sunday worship is the mark or seal of the beast

While sabbath is the mark or seal of God

 

[Praus]

That is what I mean about misusing scripture! God is not telling us to dishonor the Sabbath at all, God expects you to know that. God is telling us what it means to keep it. David and his men were very hungry, they needed food badly. The law of love comes first, as all scripture points out, all law is from love. God would not want the men to be that hungry, if they did not take the only food available to them they would be breaking a higher law.

Redtent, do you understand the difference between the royal priesthood (Jesus Christ, David, Melchizedek) and the Levitical priesthood?

 

[RedTent]

you are a teacher of the Law.
i'm bookmarking this because i would like your explanation.
don't forget to cite your sources, Redtent.

thank you.

I am well aware that your heart is too hard to be reached, many have tried so to all who are reading your false accusations against me: A teacher of the law says that the law is superior to God for salvation. I would never teach such a falsehood. A teacher of Christ, Grace, and Faith teaches that true faith includes having faith enough to follow what they know of God into actions. I believe God teaches that and say so.

It is my personal conviction, also, that actions that stem from love of the Lord can enhance our walk with the Lord.