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The Jews and Muslims are both enemies of the gospel but the Muslims were never part of the natural branch of the olive tree. The law was given to the Jews and not the Muslims, they are just a false religion made up of lost people who have no atonement for sin through their god Allah. Salvation is of the Jews and not the Muslims (John 4:22).
According to the sound ahadith, Muhammad actually taught that his god would ransom “believers” from hell by sending Jews and Christians there to suffer for the sins committed by Muslims! Chapter 8: THROWING OF NON-BELIEVERS IN HELL-FIRE FOR BELIEVERS AS DIVINE GRACE AND MERCY
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your RESCUE from Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6665; *)
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit IN HIS STEAD a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6666; *)
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with AS HEAVY SINS AS A MOUNTAIN, and Allah would FORGIVE THEM and He would PLACE IN THEIR STEAD the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle? I said: Yes. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668; *)
These hadiths unashamedly and unambiguously bear witness to the fact that Allah is going to ransom Muslims from judgment by condemning Jews and Christians to hell in their place! According to Muhammad, Allah is going to actually place all the sins of the Muslims upon the Jews and Christians so as to punish them for the evil and wicked acts committed by Muhammad’s followers! Thus, instead of the sinless Son of God ransoming men from eternal wrath by his death on the cross, Muhammad believed that Allah will actually accept the sacrifice of fallible, imperfect beings as an adequate substitute for the crimes committed by Muslims! This further shows that Muhammad had no problem with Allah actually punishing people for their own personal sins as well as for the transgressions committed by others. After all, the Jews and Christians are not only going to be sent to hell for the evil deeds of Muslims but also for their own sins, especially for the crime of rejecting Muhammad as a prophet and messenger.
According to the sound ahadith, Muhammad actually taught that his god would ransom “believers” from hell by sending Jews and Christians there to suffer for the sins committed by Muslims! Chapter 8: THROWING OF NON-BELIEVERS IN HELL-FIRE FOR BELIEVERS AS DIVINE GRACE AND MERCY
Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your RESCUE from Hell-Fire. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6665; *)
Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit IN HIS STEAD a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6666; *)
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with AS HEAVY SINS AS A MOUNTAIN, and Allah would FORGIVE THEM and He would PLACE IN THEIR STEAD the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle? I said: Yes. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668; *)
These hadiths unashamedly and unambiguously bear witness to the fact that Allah is going to ransom Muslims from judgment by condemning Jews and Christians to hell in their place! According to Muhammad, Allah is going to actually place all the sins of the Muslims upon the Jews and Christians so as to punish them for the evil and wicked acts committed by Muhammad’s followers! Thus, instead of the sinless Son of God ransoming men from eternal wrath by his death on the cross, Muhammad believed that Allah will actually accept the sacrifice of fallible, imperfect beings as an adequate substitute for the crimes committed by Muslims! This further shows that Muhammad had no problem with Allah actually punishing people for their own personal sins as well as for the transgressions committed by others. After all, the Jews and Christians are not only going to be sent to hell for the evil deeds of Muslims but also for their own sins, especially for the crime of rejecting Muhammad as a prophet and messenger.
UMM Didn't Jesus tell the Pharisees that even though they were descendants of Abraham they were NOT CHILDREN of Abraham? And did He not tell them of their false religion because they did NOT believe Moses and the prophets whom if they did believe they would believe Him? Why is it that it's OK for the Jews to have a false religion that hates Christ? Don't both end up in the same place without Christ?
And doesn't the Bible teach us we are to mix darkness with light? So why the mixing of Christians with people who have no love for the light whether Jew or Gentile?
And doesn't the Bible teach us we are to mix darkness with light? So why the mixing of Christians with people who have no love for the light whether Jew or Gentile?
And taking it further doesn't the Bible tell us NOT to be unequally yoked with UNBELIEVERS? Does that passage make a distinction between Jew and Gentile anywhere?
2 Corinthians 2
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers.For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”[c]
17 Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”[d]
18 And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”[e]
2 Corinthians 2
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers.For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[b]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”[c]
17 Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”[d]
18 And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”[e]
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Your chewing on a bone that has no meat. Who said anything about not loving the Muslims, there just another lost group of souls who have been blinded by their religion and the worship of Allah. Our love is without dissimulation or hypocrisy or admixture. It is just as easy to be good to a Muslim as it is a Jew but the Muslims have no tolerance for the Christian nor the Jew and has doctrine that believes that Jews and Christians are sacrificed by Allah and sent to hell to atone for the sins of the Muslims. That is great incentive for Muslims to hate the infidel Jew and Christian alike and call for their termination so that Allah can atone for their sin. Kill a Jew or Christian, get atonement for sin. They are lost alright and have a severe blindness based upon some pretty strange doctrine. Do you think that Allah was the same God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob? If you do decide to answer, try and leave the ...ummmm off and start your response without it. Thanks
UMMM Sorry no that is the way I speak soooo..... No you missed the point totally. The actions of many so called Christians FAVOR the Jews over the Muslims. It's OK to kill the Muslims in God's name even though many are innocent of shedding blood. It's OK to bind ourselves with those who do NOT believe just because they say they are Jews.
And again it goes back to what Paul wrote that we are NOT to yoke ourselves with UNBELIEVERS which includes both Jews and Gentiles. How hard is that to understand?
And again it goes back to what Paul wrote that we are NOT to yoke ourselves with UNBELIEVERS which includes both Jews and Gentiles. How hard is that to understand?
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Its not good to Love them that hate God and Christ ! Scripture plainly says 1 Cor 16:22
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
Any man mean jew or gentile. You know the biblical record of the jews. 1 Thess 2:14-15
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
So why do you love those that hate God and Christ ? Do you not Love God and Christ ?
22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
Any man mean jew or gentile. You know the biblical record of the jews. 1 Thess 2:14-15
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
So why do you love those that hate God and Christ ? Do you not Love God and Christ ?
HUH? LOL....make up your mind:
"Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC"
i wonder why ppl just will not cite their sources?
Islam’s Morally Grotesque Doctrine of Substitutionary Atonement < click
there.
in the future, please cite your sources.
especially if it is Sam Shamoun
thanks.
"Paul had received by revelation a measure of grace according to God's purpose that he was to administer, dispense, oversee and manage in terms of its affairs, its doctrine and the building up of believers as a habitation of God through the Spirit.
This was to be done by faith and all under the stewardship of this grace that was given.
This was never offered to Israel nor was it a part of the commonwealth of Israel.
It was solely offered to the church as part of the manifold grace and wisdom of God according to God's purpose to reveal the mystery of Christ and the church.
It excluded Israel as a people and nation.....BradC"
i wonder why ppl just will not cite their sources?
Islam’s Morally Grotesque Doctrine of Substitutionary Atonement < click
there.
in the future, please cite your sources.
especially if it is Sam Shamoun
thanks.
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I don't know how many Muslims you have met or you know but the ones that I know personality knows where I stand and I haven't once been attacked. My Muslim relatives have never showed any signs that they want me dead. And what about that unpersecuted Iranian Jewish community?
Honestly, it sounds like you've been watching Fox News and mixing the twisted view of Islam with Christian faith. I'm not saying that you are but it sure sounds like it. I'm not a Muslim apologist and believe that they need Christ in their lives but I also have come across enough to know that the minority is creating the majority perception.
I'm not Sarah but I will answer the question that you posed to her. Allah is not the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Neither Jew nor Muslim believe that Jesus was the Son of God, even though Islam view Jesus with a higher regard than Judaism. With both not believing that Jesus is not the Son of God, who died the perfect lamb, buried, raised on the 3rd day, and ascended to sit on the right hand of the Father, they are both lost and as far as we should be concerned in the same boat.
Honestly, it sounds like you've been watching Fox News and mixing the twisted view of Islam with Christian faith. I'm not saying that you are but it sure sounds like it. I'm not a Muslim apologist and believe that they need Christ in their lives but I also have come across enough to know that the minority is creating the majority perception.
I'm not Sarah but I will answer the question that you posed to her. Allah is not the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Neither Jew nor Muslim believe that Jesus was the Son of God, even though Islam view Jesus with a higher regard than Judaism. With both not believing that Jesus is not the Son of God, who died the perfect lamb, buried, raised on the 3rd day, and ascended to sit on the right hand of the Father, they are both lost and as far as we should be concerned in the same boat.
Sam Shamoun
oh ya, dat's luv.
do you agree with his "evangelism"?
"our love"?
without hypocrisy?
Islam is an antichrist religion, just like Judaism.
but i'll tell you what...you claim 'they' have NO TOLERANCE?
between CUFI (Hagee and Xtian Zionist fanatics) and AIPAC and who knows who else continually threatening NUKE 'EM cuz there's this existential threat looming over Israel who has enough WMD to blow up the WORLD...
....and funded terrorists in engineered "uprisings"; assassinations of former partners-in-crime....check-point charlies and razor-wire and Operation Cast Lead
IMEU: Fact sheet: Operation Cast Lead
and Operation Justified Vengeance
“Operation Justified Vengeance”: Israeli Strike on Freedom Flotilla to Gaza is Part of a Broader Military Agenda | Global Research
and pinning the FALSE FLAG 911 on Muslims then (Xtian Zionists leading the call for) charging in and demolishing everything:
i'd say you got the wrong understanding of what TOLERANCE is.
and if you are FOR all that stuff - you clearly have no clue who is The Israel of God.
have you looked into the doctrines of Talmudic Judaism yet?
Xtian harlots have joined themselves to it.
eh
oh ya, dat's luv.
do you agree with his "evangelism"?
"our love"?
without hypocrisy?
Islam is an antichrist religion, just like Judaism.
but i'll tell you what...you claim 'they' have NO TOLERANCE?
between CUFI (Hagee and Xtian Zionist fanatics) and AIPAC and who knows who else continually threatening NUKE 'EM cuz there's this existential threat looming over Israel who has enough WMD to blow up the WORLD...
....and funded terrorists in engineered "uprisings"; assassinations of former partners-in-crime....check-point charlies and razor-wire and Operation Cast Lead
IMEU: Fact sheet: Operation Cast Lead
and Operation Justified Vengeance
“Operation Justified Vengeance”: Israeli Strike on Freedom Flotilla to Gaza is Part of a Broader Military Agenda | Global Research
and pinning the FALSE FLAG 911 on Muslims then (Xtian Zionists leading the call for) charging in and demolishing everything:
i'd say you got the wrong understanding of what TOLERANCE is.
and if you are FOR all that stuff - you clearly have no clue who is The Israel of God.
have you looked into the doctrines of Talmudic Judaism yet?
Xtian harlots have joined themselves to it.
eh
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God commands that we pray for the peace of Jerusalem
Please explain this [h=3]Romans 11:25-27[/h]King James Version (KJV)
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
"FROM THE DESK OF PASTOR JOHN HAGEE
JHM WEEKLY UPDATE
February 7, 2011
(2/7/2011)
...The American media, with the exception of FOX News, is presenting the Muslim Brotherhood as moderate and lovers of democracy. This is utter nonsense. This is the hysterical jabber of our State Department that once again has fumbled the ball in the Middle East.
Making a long story short; if the Egyptian drama works out like the Fall of the Shah in Iran in 1979 (and I think it will) there will be a person approved of the Muslim Brotherhood to become Egypt's new leader. He will appear initially as a moderate and within a few weeks embrace Sharia which is the Islamic law that now governs Iran.
Israel will be surrounded by hostile nations screaming for their blood! America's economy is determined by the price of oil and Egypt will have the power to block the Suez Canal and Iran will have the power to block the Straight of Hormuz.
Result? America's economic future will be determined by nations that hate us and call us the Great Satan.
What are you seeing happen in the Middle East prophetically? You are seeing the King of the South come together with lightning speed.
Egypt has an army of one million men armed with 1500 Abram Tanks which are America's best. We sold them to Egypt along with hundreds of our latest and greatest fighter jets because Egypt was controlled by Mubarak who was America's friend.
Can you imagine what Israel faces with Iran, Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Russia coming after them? The prophet Ezekiel clearly predicted this battle thousands of years ago and you are watching the players get into position with lightning speed.
Jesus said: "When you see these signs, lift up your head and rejoice. Your redemption draweth nigh." Simply stated: The King is coming! Get ready! Planet earth is about to become the playground for the Anti-Christ and his New World Order. The church will be raptured before the Anti-Christ appears; and I believe he could be introduced in Europe at any time. Pray up! Pack up! We're going up...and very soon. I'll chat with you next week!
Pastor John Hagee
February 7, 2011 - Weekly Update | News | John Hagee Ministries
God save us all from these people.
according to the antichrist religion of dual covenant dispensationalism which denies that Jesus is The Christ; no, they don't end up in the same place.
christians are the church which is distinct from Israel.
christians (the church; PLAN B) goes to heaven and the jews get their kingdom on earth.
there's a third group in there somewhere.
they do things for 1,000 years and then go to hell.
i guess that's the muslims.
christians are the church which is distinct from Israel.
christians (the church; PLAN B) goes to heaven and the jews get their kingdom on earth.
there's a third group in there somewhere.
they do things for 1,000 years and then go to hell.
i guess that's the muslims.
let's take another look.
gee. i wonder who is the Israel of God?
isn't there an organization that has assumed for 2000 years that it was the Church laid by the Chief Cornerstone, and His Apostles and prophets?
um....oh: Christianity...Christians.
no? yes?
let's see how hard this is:
But far be it from me to boast
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ
through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision
but a new creation
And as many as shall walk by this rule
peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
hmmm.....
"The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so.
Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here."
oh. i wonder what came along in the last century or so.
gee. i wonder who is the Israel of God?
isn't there an organization that has assumed for 2000 years that it was the Church laid by the Chief Cornerstone, and His Apostles and prophets?
um....oh: Christianity...Christians.
no? yes?
let's see how hard this is:
But far be it from me to boast
save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ
through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world
For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision
but a new creation
And as many as shall walk by this rule
peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
hmmm.....
"The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so.
Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here."
oh. i wonder what came along in the last century or so.
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Where do you folks get your doctrine and how do you come to the imaginations, the thoughts and the conclusions that you have? We are to advocate the words and life of our Savior? Do you know the heart and spirit of the scriptures that we have been given? These things come from the lips of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Do we believe what he has said or do we improvise because of what is in our heart? Hear with your ears...
Luke 6:25-36 ...
25 ...woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Is this not good advise and sound counsel from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father or shall we seek wisdom from another? You folks act like you are aliens from these things that Jesus has spoken to so many. Do you exclude yourself from these things? Are they not what represents the heart of the Father in heaven? If this is not of the Father then who is your Father whom you obey?
Luke 6:25-36 ...
25 ...woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Is this not good advise and sound counsel from our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father or shall we seek wisdom from another? You folks act like you are aliens from these things that Jesus has spoken to so many. Do you exclude yourself from these things? Are they not what represents the heart of the Father in heaven? If this is not of the Father then who is your Father whom you obey?