We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

[RedTent]

These posts on cc has explored Jesus without the law endlessly. Many say it works fine. Scripture tells us the law shows us our need for Jesus.

Now lets explore how the law works without Jesus. That should tell us if God wants us to add the law to Jesus.

It was given as a sort of constitution for the new country for Joshua to start. They didn’t follow it very well, but still it created a world of safety where even babies were killed in other places.

I don’t know anyone trying to keep law, so I used books to explore this. Liz Harris reports on how Hasidic Jews live, and says it makes for a good life. I went to history to find these laws were what kept the Jewish population in the middle ages functioning, and also leading the Christian communities in devotion to God when there was little.

We have scripture after scripture telling us the law is good, the law is holy, and telling us to obey. We know all scripture points to the same truth, yet poster after poster uses verses to tell us not to listen to law. If the law was given by God, if what is given by God is spiritual truth, how could it be that spiritual truth could say that spiritual truth is wrong?

 

[Isdaniel]

Here goes another round i wonder who is going to get KO this time

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you want to follow the law of Moses, knock yourself out. Just know this: if you choose to follow law, you will be judged by it.

 

[2Thewaters]

The law is Jesus character.
Those who keep the law by grace are like Jesus
those who destroy it are like satan.

The only reason to try and get rid of the law is because you dont want anyone to know you are sinning by going to church on Baal sun worship day.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[2Thewaters]

If you dont follow the law,
you will be judged by it also.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that break the law.

 

[Isdaniel]

If you want to follow the law of Moses, knock yourself out. Just know this: if you choose to follow law, you will be judged by it.

Would anyman be judge by grace hmmmmmm you shold provide scripture hmmmmm

 

[2Thewaters]

If yu follow the law perfectly you will be judgd by it?


If you follow the speed limit exactly, you will get a ticket?

if you follow the IRS rules you will be fined?

somehow I think you have gotten things backward there

 

[2Thewaters]

Let us let David weigh in on this since he is inspired

"But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night." Psalms 1:2


"The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." Psalms 19:7


"The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide." Psalms 37:31


"I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart." Psalms 40:8


"Maschil of Asaph. Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth." Psalms 78:1


"For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:" Psalms 78:5


"They kept not the covenant of God, and refused to walk in his law;" Psalms 78:10


"For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob." Psalms 81:4


"If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;" Psalms 89:30


"Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;" Psalms 94:12


"Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?" Psalms 94:20


"And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:" Psalms 105:10


"ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD." Psalms 119:1


"Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law." Psalms 119:18


"Remove from me the way of lying: and grant me thy law graciously." Psalms 119:29


"Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart." Psalms 119:34


"So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever." Psalms 119:44


"The proud have had me greatly in derision: yet have I not declined from thy law." Psalms 119:51


"Horror hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsake thy law." Psalms 119:53


"I have remembered thy name, O LORD, in the night, and have kept thy law." Psalms 119:55


"The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law." Psalms 119:61


"Their heart is as fat as grease; but I delight in thy law." Psalms 119:70


"The law of thy mouth is better unto me than thousands of gold and silver." Psalms 119:72


"Let thy tender mercies come unto me, that I may live: for thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:77


"The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law." Psalms 119:85


"Unless thy law had been my delights, I should then have perished in mine affliction." Psalms 119:92


"MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day." Psalms 119:97


"My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law." Psalms 119:109


"SAMECH. I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:113


"It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law." Psalms 119:126


"Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law." Psalms 119:136


"Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth." Psalms 119:142


"They draw nigh that follow after mischief: they are far from thy law." Psalms 119:150


"RESH. Consider mine affliction, and deliver me: for I do not forget thy law." Psalms 119:153


"I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love." Psalms 119:163


"Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them." Psalms 119:165


"I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight." Psalms 119:174

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If you dont follow the law,
you will be judged by it also.

James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Impossible. Those who have died to the law cannot be judged by it. Law only has authority over the living.

 

[2Thewaters]

You mean murderers who ignore the law go to heaven?

Adulterers who continue sing with the angels?

Thieves who steel from the poor and refuse to stop when warned sit with God on the throne?

This is a strange religion, another gospel.

 

[2Thewaters]

Impossible. Those who have died to the law cannot be judged by it. Law only has authority over the living.

I will bet they will be judged by it

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If yu follow the law perfectly you will be judgd by it?
If you follow the speed limit exactly, you will get a ticket?
if you follow the IRS rules you will be fined?
somehow I think you have gotten things backward there

Are you so silly that you think you follow the law perfectly?

 

[Isdaniel]

Impossible. Those who have died to the law cannot be judged by it. Law only has authority over the living.

What is Jesus going to judge the world by if it is not by the law ?

 

[buckets]

place your heart in Jesus. He will insure you uphold the laws of His Father

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I will bet they will be judged by it

Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

It's becoming quite clear that you do not know what the faith that saves is.

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24​

 

[2Thewaters]

Jesus says follow me

Mark 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Mark 10:19 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mark 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mark 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.


Jesus always kept the law because he loved people
follow him

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The law is Jesus character.
Those who keep the law by grace are like Jesus
those who destroy it are like satan.

The only reason to try and get rid of the law is because you dont want anyone to know you are sinning by going to church on Baal sun worship day.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law is your idol.

 

[Isdaniel]

The law is your idol.

And grace is your idol hmmmmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

The law is your idol.

but wait you are comitting idoltry because you keep the other 9 hmmmm the law is also your idol hmmmmm

 

[Isdaniel]

It's becoming quite clear that you do not know what the faith that saves is.

Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24​

And faith and murdering people will gives us eternal life hmmmmmm