The Israel of God

[zone]

Merry Christmas Zone and say hello to your Muslim friends who reject your Savior and on the inside consider you an infidel.

everyone i know who rejects Christ, including members of my own family consider me an infidel in some fashion.
will i not wish them a Merry Christmas?
in fact, they probably won't like it this year either (if i make it home) when i talk about Jesus again.
do you think that will stop me?

i once had an elderly Muslim neighbor. i knew he was poor - his shoes had holes in them.
he walked his dog by my house every day x2.
he was very polite, and we exchanged greetings whenever my walks coincided with his.
eventually at times we walked together.
we introduced ourselves, and established our personal beliefs - which is how i knew he was a Muslim.
over the course of many peaceful and pleasant walks, we discussed all the things people think about:

who is God?
what is life about?
what happens when we die?

things like that.
i brought up Jesus, and we talked about Jesus.
he made it known, politely, that he did not believe Jesus was Lord or Savior.
i made it known i believed He is.

we still walked and talked many times. i talked about Jesus a lot, and he listened a lot.
we talked about his wife who sick; his son who had died; his failing health.
he told me he loved his dog so much; walking his dog made things better.
but his dog was so old, sometimes he had to stop while the dog lay down to rest.
sometimes he had to carry him (a german shepherd) home.

one year, at Christmas time, we met on the street as we began our walks.
i had noticed i hadn't seen for a long time.
that day he didn't have his dog. he was heartbroken, and explained that dog had gotten sick.

as we reached the village, and were about to go our separate ways, i just handed him some money for the vet.
he was embarrassed and didn't want to take it, but i could see him considering his dog.
he bowed his head and thanked my, saying : "God bless you; Jesus bless you; Merry Christmas madame"

i saw him one more time, much later, and his dog had died, a few days before.
we had one last walk together (before i moved away).

the last thing we talked about was Jesus.
if he was filled with hatred and rage toward me; lusting to remove my head, i saw no sign of that.
if he secretly considered me an infidel, should i hate him?

should i never have spoken to him after the first time i discovered he was a Muslim?

should i have pre-emptively killed him because one of his grandsons might grow up to hate The State of Israel?

Jesus was very clear if they rejected him they would also reject you. If that is not the case then there is something amiss.

this is true for everyone who rejects Christ.
some say it out loud "do not speak to me about Jesus again!" - members of my own family.
some people reject you in the hearts but don't let it be known.
others act out violently, and hurt or oppress others for their faith.
and some murder christians because of their faith.
the Columbine shooters targeted Christians.
some muslims murder christians because of their faith.
some communists murder christians because of their faith.
and some jews murdered their own kinsmen because of their faith...we read about it.

jews who convert to christianity are considered dead. they are considered goi.
they are shunned by their religious families.

Don't bring Scofield in on this because he has nothing to do with it like most things. You would rather nail Scofield to the wall then to expose the false religion of the Muslims that send people to hell every single day because of their delusion of a false god, isn't that true.

i don't spend my time exposing the false religion of Islam because there are plenty of others who do it.
and plenty to pay the ultimate price for it.

there are plenty who obsess about Islam/Muslims on this forum - for the wrong reason.
i know what that reason is, and that is what i post on.

if you don't like that, i guess you've determined i couldn't care less.

Do you have some kind of sentimental attachment to Muslims that you do not have with the Jews?

not at all.

after the inside job - 911 - was executed on the whole world, and blamed on Muslims (who didn't do it) to initiate the global war on terror, and as i watched the results playing out, i felt and do feel a great deal of compassion for the common people over there (religious or not) being on the receiving end of your government's barbarity...largely cheered on by your Christian Zionist fanatic lobby.

none of this is good for them; for us; or for Israel.
but you have your deluded fantasies about end-times that aren't even written.

it's sickening to me.

in summary - i am antiwar; anti wars of aggression arranged through false flag operations; and i am anti-support for antichirst peoples to kill other antichrist peoples.

understand?

and lastly....i am anti-anti-christian doctrine spewed by so-called christians.
understand?

No one is playing the Muslim card, it was an observation and you don't like being called on it. Did you see the very short video, if so, no comment about this islamic scholar's diatribe?

i've watched many of those rants.

i've also discovered many of these imams trotted out through MEMRI and other Mossad ops are on the CIA payroll.

post all you want on Islam. expose it for what it is. do it every day of your life, if you feel led.
when you call for pre-emptive war, or approve of war on anyone in the Name of Jesus, nothing you say is worth a nickel (not for me anyways..if you don't like that, i don't care)

your sect is an aggressor and apostate.

If it had been from a brother in Christ who is a dispensationalist you would be all over it and even made the contention that he was not saved like you have others on this site who are part of God's precious redeemed people, who love the Lord.

poor Israel though. according to you, they were never called to be God's precious redeemed people, who love the Lord.
fortunately my best friend Doc doesn't believe as you do...he works to teach his jewish mother and father about Jesus.

goodbye.

 

[zone]

She has some kind of attachment to the Islamic faith and to Allah

are you going to prove this allegation?

 

[zone]

If Islam has their radicals let her expose them and what they teach with the same tenacity and intensity she does with Judaism.

you don't tell me what to do and what not to do.

there are enough of you exposing the radicals in Islam.
and not enough of you acknowledging the antichrist religion of Judaism.
i pick up the slack on that end.

the Talmud says Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement.

If she refuses to do so then she is fraudulent in her practice of exposing the unfruitful works of darkness.

you are desperate.
and a tragic figure, all around.

Is not the islamic faith a work of darkness and false religion.

have you ever heard me say otherwise?

you will want to prove your allegation that i am a secret Muslim.
don't forget now. i'll remind you to get your proof.

this is very typical of Christian Zionist fanatics - Obama is a Muslim. everybody who doesn't send money guns and horses to Israel is a Muslim.

even people in the Middle East who are not Muslims; even Christians in Gaza and elsewhere deserve what they get i hear - just for being there. yes, i've heard this on this very forum.

i've also heard they are not Christians at all.

but drones manage all that quite nicely. they all look alike over there anyways.

Are you also going to accuse me of playing the Muslim card and reveal your own fraudulent heart on this matter?

do you know when to fold?
when you don't have any good cards.

 

[zone]

The Israel of God
(Galatians 6:16)

by Michael Marlowe, Dec. 2004.

14 ἐμοὶ δὲ μὴ γένοιτο καυχᾶσθαι εἰ μὴ ἐν τῷ σταυρῷ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, δι᾽ οὗ ἐμοὶ κόσμος ἐσταύρωται κἀγὼ κόσμῳ. 15 οὔτε γὰρ περιτομή τί ἐστιν οὔτε ἀκροβυστία, ἀλλὰ καινὴ κτίσις. 16 καὶ ὅσοι τῷ κανόνι τούτῳ στοιχήσουσιν, εἰρήνη ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς καὶ ἔλεος, καὶ ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ.

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world. 15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.




The proper interpretation and translation of the last phrase in Galatians 6:16 has become a matter of controversy in the past century or so. Formerly it was not a matter of controversy. With few exceptions, "The Israel of God" was understood as a name for the Church here. [1] The καὶ ("and") which precedes the phrase ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰσραὴλ τοῦ θεοῦ ("upon the Israel of God") was understood as an explicative καὶ. This understanding of the grammar is reflected in the Revised Standard Version's "Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God," and in the New International Version's "even to the Israel of God." It is not necessary, however, to understand the καὶ as an explicative in order to get substantially the same sense. If it be regarded as an ordinary connective καὶ, as Marvin Vicent says, "The ὅσοι ['as many as'] will refer to the individual Christians, Jewish and Gentile, and Israel of God to the same Christians, regarded collectively, and forming the true messianic community." (Word Studies in the New Testament vol. 4, p. 180). So the rendering "and upon the Israel of God" (KJV and others) is acceptable enough, if it is not misunderstood. In any case, it seems clear that in this verse Paul cannot be pronouncing a benediction upon persons who are not included in the phrase "as many as shall walk by this rule" (the rule of boasting only in the cross). The entire argument of the epistle prevents any idea that here in 6:16 he would give a blessing to those who are not included in this group.

The phrase has become controversial because the traditional interpretation conflicts with principles of interpretation associated with Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists are interested in maintaining a sharp distinction between "Israel" and "the Church" across a whole range of theological matters pertaining to prophecy, ecclesiology, and soteriology. They are not comfortable with the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that includes Gentiles, because this undermines their contention that "the Church" is always carefully distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture. This is a major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics. C.I. Scofield in his tract, Rightly Dividing the Word of Truth (New York, Loizeaux Brothers, 1888) wrote, "Comparing, then, what is said in Scripture concerning Israel and the Church, [a careful Bible student ] finds that in origin, calling, promise, worship, principles of conduct, and future destiny--all is contrast." Likewise Charles Ryrie in his book Dispensationalism Today (Chicago, 1965) explained that the "basic premise of Dispensationalism is two purposes of God expressed in the formation of two peoples who maintain their distinction throughout eternity." (pp. 44-45).

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) < click

one more time.
do we have this sorted out yet?

 

[Elin]

I did read them all - doesn't change the fact that they all died in faith NOT having received the promises.

These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

So, if I say - Yes, all the promises were fulfilled - and scripture to say they did not receive the promises . . . . I have set up a contradiction.

Are you interested in knowing what else it says?

 

[Elin]

Unclefester, what she says about Muslims doesn't touch a cubic centimeter of the bottom of the 55 gal. drum that Zone has filled up on this site with her illustrious career exposing Judiasm. She has some kind of attachment to the Islamic faith and to Allah and stays clear of bringing any offense to what they believe and practice here and throughout the world.

No sir.

Christians are not in danger of being deceived by the faith of Muslims, who have no commonality with them.

Christians are in danger of being deceived by Judaism's commonality with them, in those who are proselytizing them to come under the law for their righteousness, and all other manner of false gospels.

Nope, it's not about Muslims, it's about a threat to Christians much greater than Muslims.

And she knows her Jewish stuff.

 

[BradC]

you don't tell me what to do and what not to do.

there are enough of you exposing the radicals in Islam.
and not enough of you acknowledging the antichrist religion of Judaism.
i pick up the slack on that end.

the Talmud says Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement.



you are desperate.
and a tragic figure, all around.



have you ever heard me say otherwise?

you will want to prove your allegation that i am a secret Muslim.
don't forget now. i'll remind you to get your proof.

this is very typical of Christian Zionist fanatics - Obama is a Muslim. everybody who doesn't send money guns and horses to Israel is a Muslim.

even people in the Middle East who are not Muslims; even Christians in Gaza and elsewhere deserve what they get i hear - just for being there. yes, i've heard this on this very forum.

i've also heard they are not Christians at all.

but drones manage all that quite nicely. they all look alike over there anyways.



do you know when to fold?
when you don't have any good cards.

No one tells you what to do, for you do exactly as you want anytime and all the time. I suppose that you are picking up the slack with dispensationalism and with Scofield as if there is not enough of that going on. Are you also picking up the slack with John Hagee and his critics? You are such a good 'slacker pickerupper'. Jesus said that a man can speak a word and blaspheme the Son of man and it shall be forgiven him (Luke 12:10). I never accused you of being a secret Muslim, just someone who is sentimental with the islamic cause and religion, what they teach and its people. You have this compassion toward the Muslims but not the same toward the Jews, both who reject Christ. At least you don't have to be concerned with the Jews killing their own daughters who marry outside of Judiasm or wed a professing Christian. They may warn against it or not like or give their blessing but it is not enough to slaughter their own daughters who marry outside Judiasm. Zone, I am sure that you will do a diligent search to find an evil report or isolated circumstance that contradicts this to justify your stand as to why you have this insatiable need to rip apart Judaism and leave Islam to others.

 

[zone]

It is very simple unclefester but you have to take this dispensational veil away from your face. When Christ comes every eye shall see him and those who have pierced him and when they see him (including those nail prints in his feet and hands) they will recognize him and repent of their unbelief. They will mourn and be grieved at their heart as to how they have treated the Son of God. This is when God will forgive them and deliver them when they recognize Christ, the Son of the living God at his coming. They refused him at his first coming but will receive him at his second coming which will be unto salvation. The children of Israel will be ready to receive him at his second coming. Is there salvation for them in any other, NO!!!!!!!!!!!! There salvation will rest in Christ and him alone. If you and others refuse to believe that it becomes your problem of unbelief. Has the veil of dispensation been lifted or will you continue to read the scriptures with that bent?

Christian Zionism

Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism

The Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem (Catholic), the Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, the Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, have recently joined together in order to proclaim and to publish the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism (August 22, 2006). This Declaration rejects Christian Zionism for substituting a political-military program in place of the teachings of Jesus Christ.[26] The statement is very critical of Christian Zionism because it views it as providing a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. Palestinian Christian leaders have also been very vocal in supporting the "Kairos Palestine" document calling for a boycott against Israel until it stops its discriminatory policies in the Palestinian territories.[27]

United States

The General Assembly of the National Council of Churches in November 2007 approved a resolution for further study which stated that the "theological stance of Christian Zionism adversely affects:

- justice and peace in the Middle East, delaying the day when Israelis and Palestinians can live within secure borders
- relationships with Middle Eastern Christians {prior reference to the Jerusalem Declaration on Christian Zionism}
- relationships with Jews, since Jews are seen as mere pawns in an eschatological scheme
- relationships with Muslims, since it treats the rights of Muslims as subordinate to the rights of Jews
- interfaith dialogue, since it views the world in starkly dichotomous terms"[28]

The Reformed Church in America at its 2004 General Synod found "the ideology of Christian Zionism and the extreme form of dispensationalism that undergirds it to be a distortion of the biblical message noting the impediment it represents to achieving a just peace in Israel/Palestine."[29] The Mennonite Church published an article that referenced what is called the ongoing illegal seizure of additional Palestinian lands by Israeli militants,[30][31] noting that in some churches under the influence of Christian Zionism the "congregations 'adopt' illegal Israeli settlements, sending funds to bolster the defense of these armed colonies." As of September 2007, churches in the USA that have criticized Christian Zionism include the United Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church (USA), and the United Church of Christ.[32] And Zionism dispels any possibility of the Preterist understanding that Christ came to Earth, to end the Old Covenent that God made with Man, and begin a new Covenent with Man. In doing so, it ended the old Jewish ways and instilled a new path for the forgiveness for sin, and that through a perfect human sacrifice Jesus Christ.

The film With God On Our Side, by Porter Speakman Jr. and Kevin Miller (the latter of whom also co-created the film Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed), criticizes both the underlying theology behind Christian Zionism as well as its negative influence on the church.[33]

Christian Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


of course, all this is dismissed as some Jesuit invention....to distract from the Pope who is the Antichrist....God's chosen people in The State of Israel though they're innocently blinded by God for this purpose, are going to build a temple (which God either approves of or not, we're not sure)....they restart the Levitical priesthood and start sacrificing animals (which God either approves of or not, we're not sure).....which which leads to a PEACE TREATY of some kind plucked out of Daniel 9.

some bad guy stops the daily sacrifice and starts killing all the jews....they will somehow pick up the Gospels (how we're not sure because in some versions the Church vanishes in the rapture).....and read Christ's warning to flee Judea (hopefully it won't be a sabbath)....because as Jesus said (not):

when you jews in Israel 2050 years in the future see all the marvellous stones of the rebuilt temple, be warned not one stone standing there will not be torn down.

so somehow they know to flee Israel, because it's surrounded by armies...that would be Russia, Iran...it used to be Iraq and Saddam but he got whacked so Hal Lindsey and our great theologians updated those versions. it was Gorbochev also (he had the mark of the beast on his head)...but that got revised also.

anyways, meanwhile, while the Bride is in the air for 7 years, God makes a way for the jews to flee into the wilderness for 3.5 years...

...the bad guy is then enraged, so he goes after Christians.
we don't know how these became Christians since the Church left the earth along with the restrainer, the Holy Spirit.

these are Tribulation saints - some new kind, who get saved by works of some sort - this is a separate Dispensation, after all.

then things nobody knows about happen....then the temple is torn down apparently, because that's what Jesus warned about.

then He comes to earth and ANOTHER temple is built, somebody shows up with David's Throne which is intact someplace with a (not really) king keeping it warm, since God swore to David He would have his descendant take it....

....then everybody reverts to some unknown mix of Mosaic Law (we don't whether israel has now finally received her everlasting (not really since it's not eternity yet) kingdom, or whether the Church reigns...but we know there are glorified saints and Israel (who are distinct) ruling everybody else who are still flesh sinners.

but there's 1,000 years of peace and safety where there's no more death but there really is.

somehow people gets saved by crowding into this Jerusalem for the feasts (where animals are sacrificed NOT FOR SIN but as memorials), and anyone who doesn't go gets no rain and so on.

somehow people get saved, but they don't join the church/israel (still distinct?) because there's no resurrection for the 1,000 years so they don't get a glorified body until then....where do they go?

at the end of the 1,000 years, satan gets released from the bottomless pit and goes out to deceive the nations (flesh ppl), and they come up to this Jerusalem and actually somehow make war with the Glorified Christ and the jews and the church.

then everything gets destroyed (or rejuvenated) and eternity begins, and finally the jews and the church are a sing....wait....are they?

 

[BradC]

No sir.

Christians are not in danger of being deceived by the faith of Muslims, who have no commonality with them.

Christians are in danger of being deceived by Judaism's commonality with them, in those who are proselytizing them to come under the law for their righteousness, and all other manner of false gospels.

Nope, it's not about Muslims, it's about a threat to Christians much greater than Muslims.

And she knows her Jewish stuff.

I have been around practicing Jews much of my adult life and have had many talks with them but never have I been proselytized by any, but those of Islam are quite a different story. You have to have a special blindness over your heart to not notice the increasing threat of Islam throughout the world and that includes our own homeland. A true believer who is a Spirit-filled Christian has nothing to worry about in being persuaded by any false religion that denies the diety of Christ. What they are in danger of is being persuaded by those of their own household of faith who turn against them and bring railing accusations against their doctrine of Christ along with denying the grace of God and the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Isdaniel]

see, you don't understand this either.

you do not recognize the stone that smote the image.

The stone is Jesus coming and His kingdom that filled the Whole earth Filled the whole earth not heaven

 

[Isdaniel]

see, you don't understand this either.

you do not recognize the stone that smote the image.

[h=3]Revelation 11:15[/h]King James Version (KJV)

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[BradC]

are you going to prove this allegation?

The attachment is not the same one you have with the Jews or with Judaism. On my part it is an observation and not an allegation. I have rarely said anything about Muslims or Islam until recently and it concerned your treatment of Judaism and your lack thereof concerning Islam. I was comparing because of your partiality that was very obvious and obligatory to Judaism and not the same for Islam and that is fraudulent on your part. Please refrain from all this crap you espouse about 9-11, you even insult the most common person among us (that would be me) who loves their country and appreciates their freedom as we all do.

 

[zone]

No one tells you what to do, for you do exactly as you want anytime and all the time..

no, i said you.
i don't take orders from you.

I suppose that you are picking up the slack with dispensationalism and with Scofield

doesn't it just frost ya?
that's right, Red.

but you knew that.

there are many many many christian zionist / dispensationalist forums on the net.
no shortage of fellowship for you.
anything but the israel church distinction is banned on some of them.
nice and safe.

as if there is not enough of that going on.

there is not enough of that going on.

Are you also picking up the slack with John Hagee and his critics?

Mr. Hagee is not my interest. what he says and does is.
see how simple that is?
i don't talk about his abandonment and divorce of his wife for a younger prettier woman.
nor about his graft in "gifts" received from israel.
nor his love of the praises of men, as he takes visitors through his photo gallery with himself with all the big playahs in the Middle East killing. he loves the world.

should i talk about those things?

Jesus said that a man can speak a word and blaspheme the Son of man and it shall be forgiven him (Luke 12:10).

but you must repent of those sins. and change and make reparations.

in hyper-dispensationalism, repentance is not required.

I never accused you of being a secret Muslim, just someone who is sentimental with the islamic cause and religion, what they teach and its people.

oh my...the accusation is growing.
so by the islamic cause, i assume your many previous allegations that i yearn to see israel wiped off the map fits here?

not a single thing you have said is true, nor can be shown to be true.
including not accusing me of being a Muslim/Islamic sympathizer.

but this is very common in your sect.
your doctrine, which does not understand on any level what God's Plan is, who His people are, has a myopic and stunted worldview.

i'll post some examples of it later.
the same things you are saying about me, your clan says about everyone.
christian zionist churches are concerned with only one thing.

and it is not Jesus Christ.
they're more zionist than the zionists.
unregenerate jews and others can be expected to be doing exactly what they're doing.

this other business - in the Name of Jesus Christ - is a disgrace.

You have this compassion toward the Muslims but not the same toward the Jews, both who reject Christ.

you keep telling me that.
and no matter how many times you repeat it, it won't be true.

what's really happening is that the brainwashing you've undergone is working exactly as it was intended to do.
anything less than total servile compliance and fawning toward the State of Israel (due to a warped eschatology) enrages you.

that's how it works.
because, in your world, your own salvation is tied directly to the corruption of Genesis 12:3

At least you don't have to be concerned with the Jews killing their own daughters

check the abortion rate in Israel.
abortion is prescribed in the Talmud.
now go check Roe vs Wade.

who marry outside of Judiasm or wed a professing Christian.

in religious Judaism; and even in jewish secular tribalism....marrying outside the RACE (which is laughable) is verboten.
marrying a christian, according to judaism, you are considered dead.

in Rabbinic Judaism, (though "Israel is not quite yet "Mighty"), a jew who converts to Christianity is worthy of the death penalty. do you think that religion's texts have changed?

They may warn against it or not like or give their blessing but it is not enough to slaughter their own daughters who marry outside Judiasm.

i suppose there are many things you do not know.
you choose not to.

Zone, I am sure that you will do a diligent search to find an evil report or isolated circumstance that contradicts this to justify your stand

you posted an evil report on muslims...didn't you?
and on myself?

i don't need to justify my stand.
like it or lump.

why you have this insatiable need to rip apart Judaism and leave Islam to others.

you tackle Islam, i'll tackle Judaism.
both antichrist religions, sending people to hell.

sound like a deal?

the Talmud says Jesus is boiling in hell in excrement....you don't mind that so much?

it says that He was a sorcerer and performed miracles by cutting His flesh < this is the unpardonable sin btw.

you're fine with that?

 

[Hoffco]

Zone , How can you claim to be a christian and believe the way you do? We all know the liberal churches have all apostated from the Christian faith so far from center, that there is no way they can be chtistian. You obviously close your eyes and refuse to hear God speak in His word. Sorry, but I do not receive you as a christian. I see no reason to decuse the Bible with you , you hate the pure word of God. You know I condemn carnal christianity of men like Jerry Fallwell and Chuck Swindol; but I do not doubt their love for the Lord Jesus Christ, but, I don't waste much time decussing it with them, they too , are beyond correction, when I do ,they too,turn on me like mad dogs. Unfortunately I have very few real close Christian friends, even my wife feels I have a mental illness, because I "fight" so hard for the "Faith" and divorse myself from those who error. And my first wife did the same, the Apostacy is really bad. Looking for a true friend in the faith. Hoffco

 

[zone]

The stone is Jesus coming and His kingdom that filled the Whole earth Filled the whole earth not heaven

it happened 2013+ years ago dear.

 

[zone]

The attachment is not the same one you have with the Jews or with Judaism. On my part it is an observation and not an allegation.

i see. that's how it works.
so you don't have any evidence at all.

I have rarely said anything about Muslims or Islam until recently and it concerned your treatment of Judaism and your lack thereof concerning Islam.

well sure you have.
you said i was a terrible awful person because i condemned calling for war against Israel's enemies.
i'm not very fond of white phosphorous poured out onto people trapped in ghettos.

I was comparing because of your partiality that was very obvious and obligatory to Judaism and not the same for Islam and that is fraudulent on your part.

please find the nearest mirror and look into it.

Please refrain from all this crap you espouse about 9-11, you even insult the most common person among us (that would be me) who loves their country and appreciates their freedom as we all do.

yes, i know.
the 19 muslim hijackers (most of whom are alive and well, btw) did it because they hate you for your freedoms.
did you ever get any better reasons than that?

1) watch your language
2) i'm afraid i will not be refraining from discussing 911.
3) your Patriot Act to protect your Homeland (Fatherland..sound familiar?) was written before 911 dearie....find out who wrote it for you.

 

[BradC]

Zone, you will readily deny this but if the surrounding middle east countries that have a hatred and dislike for Israel, their policies and their allies where to take up their arms and destroy Israel of the face of the map, leaving not a single thing standing and no one came to the aid of Israel, you would have no grief in your heart for the people nor for the land that was destroyed. That will never happen but you would never chide or condemn the action of those countries because you believe they have justifiable cause. You know darn well that there will never be lasting peace in that region no matter what treaty is signed. This is why Israel, as small as they are, must arm themselves to the teeth to protect themselves from these dictators who are very crafty and deceitful in their strategies against Israel. I have no empathy with these dictators or religious zealots who want to destroy any memory of the nation of Israel. The US, its military ability and some other allies are the main reason that Israel has not had a full scale attack and declaration of war from those middle east nations and some others outside the region.

BTW - I did not call you an awful person for condemning war against Israel's enemies, just a pacifist, like those old left over hippie baby boomers of the 60's.

 

[zone]

Zone , How can you claim to be a christian and believe the way you do? We all know the liberal churches have all apostated from the Christian faith so far from center, that there is no way they can be chtistian. You obviously close your eyes and refuse to hear God speak in His word. Sorry, but I do not receive you as a christian. I see no reason to decuse the Bible with you , you hate the pure word of God. You know I condemn carnal christianity of men like Jerry Fallwell and Chuck Swindol; but I do not doubt their love for the Lord Jesus Christ, but, I don't waste much time decussing it with them, they too , are beyond correction, when I do ,they too,turn on me like mad dogs. Unfortunately I have very few real close Christian friends, even my wife feels I have a mental illness, because I "fight" so hard for the "Faith" and divorse myself from those who error. And my first wife did the same, the Apostacy is really bad. Looking for a true friend in the faith. Hoffco

.....Zone , you fail to see the gap of about 2,ooo yrs, at 21:v25.(then 25-32) is the End Times ,(man of sin ,rapture, wrath of God, 2nd. coming of Christ.) to Peasceful, I see the seals of Rev. 6:1-11 as the history of the world and The Church age of 2,000 yrs.. but the 6th seal is the rapture of the Church. Israel did not see their "time of visitation" so God had a PLANNED "postponement" of their earthly kingdom. but it is PLANNED, in Daniel and Rev. and in many other passages, for the end of this age. In Mt.28:20 the"end of the world" is better translated as "the end of the age". Hoffco

this is not the pure word of God, Hoff.
it's a ridiculous invention. but carry on as you will.

 

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Zone, you will readily deny this but if the surrounding middle east countries that have a hatred and dislike for Israel, their policies and their allies where to take up their arms and destroy Israel of the face of the map, leaving not a single thing standing and no one came to the aid of Israel, you would have no grief in your heart for the people nor for the land that was destroyed.

you're a sick man.
try to get well.

 

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The US, its military ability and some other allies are the main reason that Israel......

...has not learned to get along with it's neighbors.