For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?
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After Adam and Eve sinned God came looking for them in the garden and asked where they were and Adam answered and told God he was afraid and naked. It stands to reason (a common sense thing) that if God was walking and talking with man in the garden and in the creation week a 7 day cycle that Adam and Eve celebrated the best Sabbaths ever because they had God walking and talking with them. That relationship is also not written in the Bible but we do have the verse that God walked and talked with them in Genesis chapter 3: 8 and 9.
But wouldn't loving God with all your heart, mind, and soul and loving your neighbor as yourself cover that....
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Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
The understanding of how to love is written within the explanations given in the law, henceforth, all the law is wrapped up in these two, but we cannot make up our own rules of love.
Matthew 22:36-40 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
These commandments are the law in action, ordained by God from the beginning. One must go to the law so as to identify God's love, not our definition. It's all or nothing.
Galatians 6:2-7 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For every man shall bear his own burden.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
To understanding of how to love is written within the explanations given in the law, henceforth, all the law is wrapped up in these two, but we cannot make up our own rules of love.
I love all of your previous post but the above, taken from your post, would serve all followers of Yeshua in their walking in His Light. I hope everyone reads that, understands it, and practices it, amen.
show me in the bible PLEASE where God instructed anybody else other than the house of israel to observing the sabbath PLEASE show me.
Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.
Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.
Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
So Josh, I actually almost agree with your comment that "show me where God instructed anybody else other than the house of israel to observing the sabbath". Those strangers with the children of Israel in the wilderness where made to be the same, no difference, but where to also abide by the "house rules". The only thing I object to is that the Bible is very clear that "the house of Israel" is referring to the Northern Kingdom of Ten Tribes. Please read 1 and 2 Kings to see and understand. At the time of the giving of commandments on Shavuot God was speaking to all 12 tribes and also those who were there that were "strangers and sojourners" (those who came out of Egypt with the 12 tribes) and were told one law for all of them.
So the "instructions (Torah)" were not given to just the "house of Israel".
How can we relate the Torah to our lives today? We who are "uncircumcised/gentiles"?
Deu 29:14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath;
Deu 29:15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And don't forget Ruth, how she claimed the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as her own God and she is in the genealogy of Yeshua/Jesus. Mat 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;
Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Shalom
Question is then; What were we held by, and died to so that we can serve in the newness of the Spirit?
Romans 7:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
It is obvious reading further, that is was sin that we were held by. Thank God He exposed sin through His law, otherwise we wouldn't realize that we are sinful by nature, and fall short, thinking we need not a Savior from a certain death.
2 John 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1 John 2:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
Leviticus 26:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Romans 7:6-8 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
It is obvious reading further, that is was sin that we were held by. Thank God He exposed sin through His law, otherwise we wouldn't realize that we are sinful by nature, and fall short, thinking we need not a Savior from a certain death.
2 John 1:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
1 John 2:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
Leviticus 26:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people.
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
J
So Romans 14: 5 - 6:
"One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. "
is really describing a 2 day fast that happens 4 times a year?
"One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. "
is really describing a 2 day fast that happens 4 times a year?
C
And written down so man could not make his own law and claim it's from God. It's not from God unless it's in harmony with His written law.
The law is not the old contract in and by itself. The old contract was imperfect not because of the law but how it was set up through animal blood. The people who received the contract failed to see the significance of sacrifice needed for atonement.
God spoke with the Israelites directly before He wrote down His words on a stone tablet. They turned, forgot and offended the very things He told them. Was it because God never gave them a heart of flesh or was it because they hardened their heart? So the written law was there to witness their wrong doing. Is the written law spoke by God Himself contrary to His spiritual law?
The difference in contracts are the old one being made by animal blood and the new one by the blood of the Messiah.
The written law is never meant to be locked in a vault and read once a year. Deut 6 says: These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
Ezekiel said He will replace man's heart of stone with the heart of flesh. Jeremiah said the law will be written in man's heart. God never gave man a heart of stone to start with. It's man who turned his own heart to stone.
Thus His written law was twisted, misinterpreted and some made it a burden? Is that the reason? Fortunately Yeshua came and gave us the actual meaning of the written law.
No keepers here insisted the old contract. It's those who don't accept the law insist keepers to keep the old contract and by the letter.
The law is not the old contract in and by itself. The old contract was imperfect not because of the law but how it was set up through animal blood. The people who received the contract failed to see the significance of sacrifice needed for atonement.
God spoke with the Israelites directly before He wrote down His words on a stone tablet. They turned, forgot and offended the very things He told them. Was it because God never gave them a heart of flesh or was it because they hardened their heart? So the written law was there to witness their wrong doing. Is the written law spoke by God Himself contrary to His spiritual law?
The difference in contracts are the old one being made by animal blood and the new one by the blood of the Messiah.
The written law is never meant to be locked in a vault and read once a year. Deut 6 says: These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
Ezekiel said He will replace man's heart of stone with the heart of flesh. Jeremiah said the law will be written in man's heart. God never gave man a heart of stone to start with. It's man who turned his own heart to stone.
Thus His written law was twisted, misinterpreted and some made it a burden? Is that the reason? Fortunately Yeshua came and gave us the actual meaning of the written law.
No keepers here insisted the old contract. It's those who don't accept the law insist keepers to keep the old contract and by the letter.
J
But in reading Romans 7, it shows that no man can be saved under the Law. The Law in itself was not bad, because it showed us what sin was, but what could stop the sin. So in essence, because we had nothing to stop sin, we would do what the law told us not to do. Romans 8 tells us that the Law was powerless against sin. So, with that being said, is it possible to serve the newness of the spirit and the oldness of the letter when one kills and one brings life? (2 Corinthians 3)
Abraham wasn't given the ten commandments,Moses and the Israelites were first given it
Deuteronomy 5
5 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lordspoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. ....
Deuteronomy 5
5 Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. 2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. 4 The Lordspoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. 5 (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord, because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) And he said:
6 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. ....
J
Considering there were no 10 Commandment, I can say how can he keep what he didn't have..lol. But seriously, when looking at the 10 Commandments, most of them are moral laws that man knew; tree of the knowledge of good and evil might have had something to do with that.
Ever noticed that God tells Cain that if he doesn't do right, sin lies at the door? How did Enoch walk with God and how was Noah considered just and perfect. But back on the topic at hand, this goes back to the question that was never answered and was replied to with a question.
But to answer your question, according to the letter, I don't know. Abraham was noted for lying but the 10 Commandments say bear false witness against your neighbor (even though Jesus and Paul just used bear false witness; with Jesus even said defraud....) and we don't know if Abraham killed anyone when he rescued Lot, but God said Abraham kept his commandments, statutes and laws (instructions), so what else can I say about that.
Ever noticed that God tells Cain that if he doesn't do right, sin lies at the door? How did Enoch walk with God and how was Noah considered just and perfect. But back on the topic at hand, this goes back to the question that was never answered and was replied to with a question.
But to answer your question, according to the letter, I don't know. Abraham was noted for lying but the 10 Commandments say bear false witness against your neighbor (even though Jesus and Paul just used bear false witness; with Jesus even said defraud....) and we don't know if Abraham killed anyone when he rescued Lot, but God said Abraham kept his commandments, statutes and laws (instructions), so what else can I say about that.